My guess would be sometime before the apocalypse and if not… we'll never know the difference anyways :rotfl:

Thank you Spintendo for this most informative article. We too easily forget these countries and think we have it the worst in the world for Gay Rights. 

To my pleasant surprise both NC senators voted to repeal it. Yay!!!

Europe is still a continent where coming out and assuming himself as gay isn't an easy task. Even in most progressive and relaxed countries like Netherlands, Belgium or Switzerland. The laws are the mirror of our society. We still live in societies where homosexuality is NOT the norm, we live in society FORCED BY SUPERIOR ETHICS VALUE to accept homosexuality whether as not deviant whether as deviant-from-the-norm-but-acceptable. In such a context, I'm not sure we have a right to critic the US action from countries where laws don't reflect citizen opinions. And stop to blame all the republicans, there are also progressive people in this party, for example Log Cabin Republicans (who are the ones who filled the lawsuit challenging the DADT policy this summer and got a permanent injunction against this policy in October by a federal court: hxxp://www.scribd.com/doc/39202612/Permanent-Injunction-of-DADT-October-12-2010) or the 8 senators who vote the repell. EDIT: (MrMazda 2010-12-20) - Disabled live link. Please do not post live links in the forum.

Joint Chiefs Split on 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Repeal As expected, the Marine Corps commandant, Gen. James Amos, recommended against repeal of the ban on gays serving openly in the armed forces. Testifying Friday before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Amos said he could not "turn my back'' on the 45 percent of Marines who expressed negative views of repealing "Don't ask, don't tell" in a year-long Pentagon survey. "The young men and women who volunteer to be Marines do so with honorable and patriotic intensions, and even vast differences in background, beliefs or personalities can be bridged,'' Amos told the Senate Armed Services Committee. But among Marine combat arms units, 56 percent said allowing openly gay or lesbian Marines to serve would have negative impacts on fighting effectiveness and cohesion. He said that view was held almost uniformly across all ranks. "We asked for their opinions and they gave them to us. Their message to me is that the potential exists for disruption to the successful execution of our current combat mission should repeal be implemented at this time.'' But, he added, "based on what I know about the very tough fight on the ground in Afghanistan, the almost singular focus of our combat forces as they train up and deploy into theater, the necessary tightly woven culture of those combat forces that we are asking so much of at this time . . . my recommendation is that we should not implement repeal at this time.'' Amos and the other three military service chiefs were testifying at the second of two days of hearings into potential repeal of DADT. Of the four chiefs, two not only said their troops could accommodate serving with openly gay service members, but they outright urged that Congress act to repeal the law: Adm. Gary Roughead, chief of naval operations, and Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz. The Army's chief of staff, Gen. George W. Casey, did not recommend repeal. But he told the committee that after weighing all the evidence, "I don't envision that repeal would keep us from accomplishing our worldwide missions, including combat operations.'' However, both Casey and Schwartz said they believed the law should not be repealed immediately. "I don't believe the presence of a gay or lesbian service member creates an unacceptable risk to good order and discipline – and from the survey it appears a large number of our service members don't believe that either,'' Casey said. "But it's a question of timing. I would not recommend going forward at this time given everything the Army has on its plate.'' Schwartz said immediate implementation would be "too risky . . . perhaps full implementation in 2012 at the earliest.'' Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, urged Congress Thursday to lift the ban on gays in the military. That would allow, they said, for an orderly process of implementation. In the legislation that would repeal the law is a provision requiring that the president, defense secretary and joint chiefs chairman -- with the advice of the service chiefs -- certify that all steps have been taken to ensure an orderly implementation of repeal and that the change would not negatively affect military effectiveness. Should Congress fail to act, they said, the risk is that the courts will order the ban to be lifted immediately, throwing the military into chaos.

No Sex for Gays at Qatar World Cup? Was FIFA Chief Joking? (Dec. 15) – Gay soccer fans unsure about attending the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, where homosexuality is illegal, should rest assured that they can attend the games ... as long as they refrain from sex, that is. That's according to FIFA chief Sepp Blatter, who stuck his foot in his mouth at a press conference in Johannesburg when he suggested jokingly that gays would be welcome at the games but should "refrain from any sexual activities" while in Qatar. Blatter did say that he wanted the World Cup to be inclusive. "We don't want racism, we don't want any discrimination. What we want to do is open this game to everybody, and to open it to all cultures, and this is what we are doing in 2022," he told reporters Monday. But his off-color attempt to make gay spectators feel welcome didn't win Blatter any fans, or laughs either. On his blog, John Amaechi, the former NBA star who is openly gay, said he was "enraged" and planned to file a complaint with FIFA. "This is yet another case where the epic, archaic, neanderthal ignorance of someone who wields the power to summon kings, princes, presidents and prime ministers to bid at their pleasure uses that power not to foster positive change but to further entrench bigotry," he wrote. Most found the remarks seriously unfunny. "Homosexuality is illegal in Qatar. It is not a joke. It is not tolerated in the Muslim state and carries a prison sentence of five years," CBC Sports' Nigel Reed wrote today. Others, though, said it wasn't all that clear whether Blatter, who has a history of making awkward and insensitive remarks, was kidding at all. "Not exactly known for his discretion, Blatter brushed this off as a joke. That's always the line when someone of prominence makes a stupid or hateful remark -- as if jokes weren't often the most honest things we said," Alexander Nazaryan wrote at the New York Daily News. Sponsored Links Blatter's remarks about, well, the African continent, didn't win him any fans, either. Monday, he praised the effect of the 2010 World Cup on Africa. "A new era of Afro-optimism has swept across the continent and the world," he said in Johannesburg. "Africans have always believed in themselves. Now the world believes in them, too. The World Cup contributed a great deal to this change of perception." "Excuse me while I vomit in the nearest available bucket," Jonty Mark wrote at IoL Sport in South Africa. FIFA could not be reached for comment today, because it is located in Switzerland, where it's offices are closed.

its a story form my country printed in the newspaper.

:lmao: The same reults would not hold true in Canada. 95% of the population here don't even blink an eye on the subject. It's interesting how some things can change so much, depending on your geographical region.

I don't think she would come out if she's Lesbian or Bi, at least not while she has plans to continue her show. That sad fact is, her show would most likely be boycotted by droves of nuts so her ratings would plummet. The audience she attracts is primarily family orientated, and we all know what "Family Values" means to most people. It usually goes hand in hand with being anti-gay.

I predicted this on a politics site I go to. For at least the next 2 years, the bet we can hope for is nothing to change, the worst we can hope for is more hate filled laws directed toward us.

Oh Raphjd - I'm so sorry that happened.  It is hard enough to find the right person and then the laws are as if your relationship is meaningless.  That is terrible.  Please accept my sincerest empathy.

That's kind of uniquie how one may mention Truvada being used as a post-prophalactic remedy. In my case, it's being used as one of the medications in the "coctail" that the doctor is using to manage my case.

While I was in the Marine Corps {85 to 89}, I never heard that sharing rooms was to promote "unity". When I first joined, there were squad huts and then there were 4 man rooms and later it was 2 man rooms.  All were run down pieces of shit that that would be condemned in the real world.  Oddly enough, they did start building new housing units, but the women got them, go figure. Oh yeah, I lived in a fucking GP tent for a year in Yechon South Korea, at the end of a fucking runway.