Reporting Duplicates
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Thanks. I've reported it. I notice that people are getting cleverer and cleverer about disguising duplicates; changing file names, etc. Sigh. Eternal vigilance!
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I don't really think they are trying to be clever. I think a lot of the time they don't bother to check. Which is a bit silly as they go to the trouble of getting a post ready only to have it deleted.
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Yeah, you're probably right. Although some people might try to get the extra UL ratio boost; one reads about low ratios all the time in the forum. But especially for the duplicates with a year or more between them; you're probably right.
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One should keep in mind that some of these duplicates have been uploaded by new members who may have searched but didn't realize they needed to search for "dead" torrents as well as active torrents. I know that when I started to upload torrents I never even thought about searching for "dead" torrents which resulted in some of my torrents being duplicates. Once I realized that I needed to search for both active and "dead" torrents, I was able to ensure that I didn't upload duplicates again. (although, I must admit I have missed a few). Personally I think that if a torrent is "dead" then its "dead", period! If I understand correctly, these "dead" torrents don't show up when one does a search in your default categories therefore they are just sitting there. No one can see them, no one can download them and no one is seeding them… therefore they are "dead".
I do have a couple of questions that I would appreciate if someone can answer them for, it would be greatly appreciated!!
1. How long do these "dead" torrents remain on the site?
2. Why when a file reported as a duplicate and therefore deleted, do the mods ask you to keep seeding them?
3. When I do search for a torrent (active & dead), why do I get a list of torrents with totally different names not even related to my search?Thanks in advance for any help with these questions! :thx:
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A 'dead' torrent is still on the tracker. All it needs to revive them is for someone to start seeding again. If they disappear from the tracker then they would need to be reposted from scratch, new torrent, new picture(s), new information.
I can only give a definite answer to your #2.
When a duplicate is deleted, it is first just hidden from public view so no-one else can download the torrent. The torrent is left open until everyone who downloaded the duplicate torrent has finished downloading the file.
It is difficult to know about your unrelated searches but if could be that the search term you used is in the description rather than as a torrent name.
PS A guide to searching for duplicates can be found HERE
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Presently there are 17,434 dead torrents on the system going back to torrents posted on 2008-05-04 so it doesn't come as a surprise to me that people end up posting duplicates. I don't know about the rest of you but when I'm searching for torrents to download I don't do a search to include "dead" torrents. Therefore it would be easy to see members uploading duplicates. Personally I was shocked to see so many dead torrents still on the site… just how long are these "dead" torrents kept?
As for the search I did, it was for a specific file by name and the list came up with 126 matches with only 1 being the correct file. In none of the other files listed in the search (description or file name) did I find anything relating to the search although the word "Men" was in the title so if this would be taken into account as per your explanation cannonmc, I would expect a lot more than 126 matches :funny2:.
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When I search for dead torrents, I get about 66 000, mean a third of all registered torrents.
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This number is changing all time, because some torrents are seeded at parts of the day only. This means their files are still downloadable.
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Many torrents can be revived by sending out reseed requests and leave a comment to reseed (which generates a PM to the uploader). This means their files are still downloadable.
So before deleting a dead torrent, it needs to be checked if it can't be reseed, this in an archive building approach we got, rather than the novelty approach of 0day trackers.
A side from deleting never seen seeding new uploads after 3 days, deleting dead torrents is done manually for above mentioned reason.
As mentioned earlier in this topic, we prefer an alive duplicate over a dead original if it gets reported. That is one of the occasions to delete a dead torrent.
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I have another question regarding duplicates as this has happened to me a couple of times, including yesterday. When a new video at a major site is released, such as Sean Cody, I will download the video and make sure it has not yet been uploaded. Then I make screencaps, copy the description, create the torrent and then upload the torrent to the site. By the time my client goes through its hashcheck and begins to seed, I will reload the search page to see if my torrent is indeed visible ( I know I can also check that in my profile) and lo and behold, another user has beaten by a few minutes with the same upload.
My question is: do I need to search for the video torrent with the "including dead" option to see if someone created the torrent and is not yet seeding it?I have to admit that when this has happened to me, I will report my own torrent as a dupe just to get the SB, which I think I deserve for the effort.
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I have another question regarding duplicates as this has happened to me a couple of times, including yesterday. [….]
Do I need to search for the video torrent with the "including dead" option to see if someone created the torrent and is not yet seeding it?First off, kudos for your thorough efforts in trying to avoid uploading duplicates.
Direct to your question, YES, I think that's a terrific idea, just prior to uploading, "to search for the video torrent with the "including dead" option to see if someone created the torrent and is not yet seeding it".
As an aside, and to expand your thinking and concerns… that's somewhat of a bitch of a situation, where being conscientious and thorough in creating a terrific presentation... results in you getting "beaten" (in that race to upload a new video), by another member, HUH!?.
In that vein (of just HOW to be the "winner" of that race to be the first uploader...) What to do?? Could I make some suggestions?
First off, I noticed your uploads usually just include 10 pictures... So I think the following ideas could work for you:
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You COULD just upload the bare-bones version of the torrent presentation, to start with. This gets the upload date and time established.
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Then, (to avoid your upload being reported by other members for missing description and pictures, [remotely] risking loss of your Auto-Approval Rights) ASAP!!! Repeatedly EDIT your upload…
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ADD a GOOD description… and...
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for starters, maybe add just ONE good picture... NOW, you've followed the basic rules. THEN, you can take your time creating screen-caps, and then (AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO AVOID OTHER MEMBERS UPLOADING PICTURES BEFORE YOU)..
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ADD ALL your lovely pictures... perhaps even deleting the original picture you had uploaded, earlier. NOTE that pictures added via editing your torrent will be added in reverse order to the way they are shown in the final torrent presentation; thus LAST picture added… will be the FIRST picture displayed.
What do you think of this idea?
If you needed help deleting sub-par pictures already added to your torrent prior to YOU being able to upload good pictures, [on a limited basis, please] you could PM me, and I'll review your torrent presentation pictures, and edit (delete sub-par pictures) as needed.
Take care,
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What do you think of this idea?
It is a great idea, and inspired me to think it through further. The video description is available immediately on the source website, as are a few good screenshots. Whilst the video is downloading, I can prepare the upload on the upload on the Upload Page and as soon as the video completes downloading, create the torrent in my client and complete the upload process. I cant think of any way of doing it any faster.
Thanks again for your help. -
What do you think of this idea?
It is a great idea, and inspired me to think it through further. The video description is available immediately on the source website, as are a few good screenshots. Whilst the video is downloading, I can prepare the upload on the upload on the Upload Page and as soon as the video completes downloading, create the torrent in my client and complete the upload process. I cant think of any way of doing it any faster.
Thanks again for your help.Sounds GOOD TO ME, and a terrific consolidation of my earlier thinking… Good luck on following through on this plan, and you could post an update to this new procedure (as to how it's actually working out), here in this forum...
Take care,
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Bump
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i reported a duplicate just recently and i cannot recall i was given points for reporting
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i reported a duplicate just recently and i cannot recall i was given points for reporting
There isn't a duplicate report in the queue with your name on it, so… either it was approved as valid, and you got your 50 points (which you said you can't recall, anyway) or your report was rejected for being invalid.
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I've reported a few dupes lately and then I seem to have not got any bonus points for them in a while? Did I report too many?
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I am bumping this reminder of Global mod MrMazda just a reminder to all members who are reporting duplicate torrent
Also, do not forget that there are two other things to take into account when determining whether or not a torrent is a duplicate….. They are:
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Format Container - e.g. are both files in .avi or is one .avi and one .mp4... If the format container is different, then they are not considered a duplicate
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File Size - If the first rule isn't applicable because the format container is the same (i.e. both files are .avi), then you need to look at the size difference. If the file size is the same, then it is a duplicate. If the file size is different, the newer upload must be a minimum of 10% different than the original torrent in order to not be classified as a duplicate.
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This is also very important as Global Mod Pawpcorn pointed out to me, if you have read Uploading Rule #2
https://www.gaytor.rent/rules.php#102DUPLICATE files are not allowed and will be removed. You are expected to run a search for duplicates prior to submitting a torrent. Duplicates may be accepted when part of a themed collection. A file is considered a duplicate if an existing torrent has the same format and similar size (<10% difference) and has at least one seeder.
So in case where 1 or both of the torrent is/are dead, you cannot make a dupe report.
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Lately I've noticed duplicates with a twist; a dupliacted file, plus a zip file. In the example i give below there's nothing in the description indicating what is in the zip file. Would such a case be considered a dupliacte?
Original:
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=41ae155ceb8230c61c723d1e2447d4a84bcb82a225814f78"Duplicate:
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=403235451e59675b1c723d1e2447d4a89e5cbdf7f017fc3cThanks mucho.
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ben,
In most (but not all) cases, the zip file contains photos that the studios provide alongside the video on their sites.
In your instance, you can click on the "Num files" and see that the zip is "SS_XavierRyan_BillySaint_JustinCross_2400highres.zip". The 'highres' is an indicator of high-resolution photos.
Whether one of these posts counts as a dupe, hope you get a response.
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Lately I've noticed duplicates with a twist; a dupliacted file, plus a zip file. In the example i give below there's nothing in the description indicating what is in the zip file. Would such a case be considered a dupliacte?
Original:
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=41ae155ceb8230c61c723d1e2447d4a84bcb82a225814f78"Duplicate:
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=403235451e59675b1c723d1e2447d4a89e5cbdf7f017fc3cThanks mucho.
Same file size (the video) and format, yes, it is a dupe. However there is an exception to this rule, when a single torrent is also in another torrent which is a part of a themed collection then it is not consider a dupe.
Uploading rule #2 https://www.gaytor.rent/rules.php#102
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