New York undercounted C-19 deaths
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@walker1234
I certainly grant you that China has dealt with COVID-19 more efficiently than most of the rest of the world. Authoritarian regimes can do that. Given.I also agree that the US response to COVID-19 would be laughable if it weren't for the awful, human tragedy - and you are equally right that our former President, Donald Trump, is a leading cause for the absurdly awful position we find ourselves in today.
But I still maintain that having our freedoms are generally worth the cost. It's been a particularly high cost with the anti-maskers, and the anti-vaxers, but all good things have a cost.
You can believe that China's system is superior. That is your right. I neither claim, nor require others agree with me. We don't learn by being the same, we learn by being DIFFERENT and through the free exchange of ideas and experiences.
More than anything else, even at 57 years of age, I am a student - still hungry for new knowledge and new experiences.
Sad to say, though I've traveled a lot of this crazy world, the closest I've come to China is Hong Kong (before 1999, when it was still a UK territory). I am hoping to travel more when I retire - and China (what many call "mainland China") is on my "bucket list"
From all I've read and seen, it is an amazingly beautiful country. -
@bi4smooth
In the six years since I came to China, I really think that our country misunderstands China too deeply. The people here are super kind and treat me very well. Especially the landlord takes care of me, teaches me Mandarin and the local dialect of Wuhan. As a volunteer last year, the people here are very responsible. I finally know why China’s economic achievements in just a few decades have surpassed that of Europe and the United States for hundreds of years. The people here are hardworking. I think young people in our country should not believe the fake news reported by the media, and go to other countries in the world. I also welcome you to come to China to experience local culture and experience local cuisine. It is no exaggeration to say that Chinese cuisine is actually the richest. We are very safe here. Even if we come out to eat at night, we don’t have to be afraid. This is not as chaotic as our country. I also hope you come to China to see the night scene and development of this city. -
@walker1234
Our country demonizes a lot of other countries - especially non "Western" ones.I have visited "war-torn" Israel and Palestine. I have visited the "evil empire" of Iran. I have visited many parts of Europe and Central America. (I hope to visit South America 2-summers from now... Brazil, Argentina, & Chile are on the agenda so far.)
In the vast majority of cases, the people themselves were, warm, kind, generous (sometimes to a fault), and giving.
Honestly, while we may have our freedoms (which is a Governmental thing, not a Societal one), I personally think Americans in public are some of the coldest, most cruel and uncaring, most judgemental, and self-centered of societies I have encountered in my travels. Get them in private and many are very different (kind, giving, generous, open, etc) - but that's where the societies seem to differ...
- When I got lost in Paris once, I was actually approached by someone offering to help me find my way...
- When I got lost in Iran, a taxi driver took me back to my hotel - free of charge!
- When I got lost in Los Angeles, I had to go to 3 different convenience stores to find someone who would even tell me what part of LA I was in!
(I know - it seems I got lost a lot - but a lot of my traveling predates smartphones and apps to make sure you are NOT lost - EVER!)
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@bi4smooth
This is true. I have been to Iran, but it is not as damning as our country said. I now find that as long as it is vilified by the media of our country, that country must actually be worth visiting. Yesterday I watched the BBC report on China with wrong information, which made me mad. I really think this country is very good. If it weren't for this country's hard to get a green card, I really want to immigrate to this beautiful country. I think that every country has problems, but in 2020 I found that our country is really ugly, especially when the Trump administration is not paying attention to the lives of ordinary people at all when the epidemic is so severe, causing my relatives to be C-19 And death, I think it is a wise decision not to return to the United States in early 2020. Brother, I hope you stay away from disease. -
@walker1234
You'll get no argument from me that our country was ugly in the Donald Trump years...I'm not going to be too too happy with the Federal Government for the next 4-years, though: I don't agree with many of the things Biden and the Democrats want to do...
But I do think he'll bring back honor, dignity, and stability to the Presidency. I also think he'll at-least start to repair the international relationships Trump all-but threw away!
In short, I'm not a big fan, but I also do not think Joe Biden will make me embarrassed for my country!
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Do you not think that the DNC and MSM played any part in the last 4 years?
I know it won't happen, but I hope the RNC does the same to Biden and Harris that the DNC did to Trump.
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You have such long term memory loss! You should see a doctor about that!
The "us vs them" and "win everything, or it's not a win at all" ideas started in the 1990s - with Republicans!
By your thoughts (by what I've read here, which I hope is not the totality of your thoughts): when we (Republicans) are in control, we have the power and should rule defiantly and harshly!
But when the inevitable changes in majority happen, and the Democrats are in control, they should defer to our feelings and judgements
Whatever drugs you're smoking, you should share!
And I have little doubt the RNC will work hard to thwart literally every breath Joe Biden takes while in office! It's the way of the 21st Century (and that's a shame - it will IMHO lead to our eventual destruction as a nation. Yes, we will destroy ourselves!! No other nation could do it!)
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The more you say, the more you prove you're a RINO.
You would lose your mind if the RNC treated Biden like the DNC treated Trump.
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That's a good one.
In my post, I make it clear that I fully expect them to treat Joe Biden the same way the Democrats treated Trump. (Which is also the way we treated Obama...)
Then, you, who appear to have an uncanny, almost inhuman ability to (mis)read-between-the-lines tell me I'll lose my mind if they do!
I wish I was as smartly as you be!
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Was there a Russian Collussion hoax for 4 years?
Were there 7 impeachment attempts, plus the 2 that succeeded. Al Green didn't even wait for Trump to do anything before he submitted his first one.
This is where you bring up the one for Biden, but that is not the same since we already have proof and plenty of it, including his own words on video.
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@raphjd said in New York undercounted C-19 deaths:
Was there a Russian Collussion hoax for 4 years?
Just wait for it - these are seasoned politicians - 2 Senators with a lot of background...
- There is a lot to go through
- They're better (than Donald Trump was) at covering things up
And you'll have to be more patient - Dems are in charge of the House right now. If we can just avoid being dragged into the toilet bowl of conspiracy theories from the wingnut end of the party, we're on-track to re-take the house in 2022. (The Democrat's margin is razor-thin as it is, and the President's party virtually always loses some seats in the mid-term election cycle!
LITERALLY we just have to avoid stepping on our own dicks here!
The Senate will be a rough one - but we'll have the House in 2022 - and that'll be exactly the same position Trump was in after his mid-terms!Were there 7 impeachment attempts, plus the 2 that succeeded. Al Green didn't even wait for Trump to do anything before he submitted his first one.
Biden has had 1 impeachment attempt already (by your own measure) - far faster than Trump did!
This is where you bring up the one for Biden, but that is not the same since we already have proof and plenty of it, including his own words on video.
How is it different again?
If the TWO Impeachments of Trump have taught us anything it is that facts do not matter in impeachments - it is a political process - pure and hardnosed politics -- and right now, the Republicans are not in power... same situation the Dems were in in 2016, except that our current positions are far FAR stronger than the Dems were in 2016!
If you want to compare administrations, you have to compare them at the same relative points! You're just an impatient, petulant child-mind if you're actually expecting the start of the Biden administration's opposition to be at the same place as the end of the Trump administration's!
If the shoe fits!
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We know nothing will happen to Biden for at least 2 years because your party is in control of Congress and the White House.
We already know the DOJ/FBI are extremely dirty and pro DNC.
Trump was impeached on bullshit.
Biden won't be impeached due to the DNC and RINOs protecting him, despite the evidence against him is extremely clear.
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Biden hasn't really incensed the opposition as much as Trump did...
But a significant part of your statement "nothing will happen to Biden for at least 2 years" is true - much the same as it was for Trump in 2016.
For real Conservatives, we have an easy road-map ahead:
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Dump Trump and the rest of the QAnon believing wingnuts of the far right... we don't win being demonstrably crazy and clueless
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Work those State legislatures and get more Republican districts drawn after the Census is finalized
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Keep as many Senate seats as possible in 2022, but know ahead of time that it's a long-shot to keep all our seats... The Senate is likely to be in Democratic hands until 2024... sigh... it's just in the cards, but we can limit the losses and lay the right groundwork for 2024 - when the Dems are going to be in the same position we are - defending far more seats in the cycle!
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GET THE HOUSE in 2022! It shouldn't be hard! The President's party nearly always loses a few seats in their mid-term election cycle... but we could win big and have a crushingly-big margin going into 2024 -
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To WIN in 2024, we have to keep Trump away. He's toxic! While he won in 2016's Electoral College, he lost the popular vote - widely - and things have progressively worsened in the electorate as he's remained the center of the party!
Time to move on... this time, with a real Conservative!
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Biden was and still is protected by the media.
Umm, who won their election with the highest majority?
Trump is only toxic because the media like, as they did with MS-13 and countless others.
You don't like Trump because you believe the media lies.
The problem with the RNC is that it is controlled by swamp monsters and RINOs who cuck to the DNC.
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@raphjd said in New York undercounted C-19 deaths:
Biden was and still is protected by the media.
You silly twit - once the Biden Administration actually gets up and running, the media will be scrutinizing them too... They're already complaining that Biden has done even more executive orders than Trump!
Umm, who won their election with the highest majority?
Ummm... in 2016:
- Trump won 46.1% of the vote
- Clinton won 48.2% of the vote - that's a margin of negative 2.1%
- Trump won the Electoral College vote 304-227
and in 2020:
- Trump won 46.9% of the vote
- Biden won 51.3% of the vote
- Biden won the Electoral College vote 306-232
(If you look closely: in 2016 there were 7 "unfaithful" electors in the Electoral College - thankfully, not enough to sway the outcome though. There were no unfaithful electors in 2020.)
I think BY ANY MEASURE, Trump was a loser in 2020...
Trump is only toxic because the media like, as they did with MS-13 and countless others.
What the f^ck? Do you write these things when you're drunk?
You don't like Trump because you believe the media lies.
Again, thank you for the personal inventory. I know I have difficulty speaking for myself, and making my own thoughts and opinions heard, so I really appreciate it when you do it for me... such kindness and consideration....
BTW: I don't like Trump because: he cheapened the office of the US Presidency, brought ridicule and derision from the rest of the world to the office, and because he was authoritarian - thinking he had powers that were virtually unlimited. In a word, he was a CLOWN and had no business being the "leader of the free world".
Frankly, I'm embarrassed that my party didn't have the fortitude or strength in 2016 to do in the primary season what the Dems did in 2020: recognize that a loser was going to be the standard-bearer if we didn't rally behind a mainstream candidate, and before it was too late drop out of the race and get the mainstream candidate firmly in place.
- In 2016, the scary Republican candidate (who had no business being there) was Trump
- In 2020, the scary Democratic candidate (who had no business being there) was Sanders
The Republicans rode with Trump right into a dumpster fire in 2016.
But in 2020, the Democrats avoided their own version of a dumpster fire when virtually every mainstream candidate dropped out in the primaries and stood behind Joe Biden - so that the nut-job Sanders wouldn't be their standard-bearer.For the record: The Republican Party should be proud and honored to be the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Reagan, George HW Bush, and John McCain! But we should also be contrite in also being the party of Johnson, Hayes, McGovern, Nixon, ... and now, Trump, who is destined to go down in infamy. NOT the worst President in history, but certainly giving some of those other ass clowns from the Civil War era (like Andrew Johnson - who, to his credit, was only impeached once) a run for their money!
The problem with the RNC is that it is controlled by swamp monsters and RINOs who cuck to the DNC.
You're just an idiot. Actual facts don't matter, only the fact that your Pumpkin King lost...
EDIT: I shouldn't have posted that...So you know: the RNC CONSISTENTLY outperforms expectations... expectations of the mainscream media and conservative outlets alike!!
In 2020 alone, the expectations were:
- Trump would lose badly
He didn't: it was way closer than anyone (other than Trump) legitimately thought... - Dems would take the Senate by 1-3 seats
They didn't - it's a 50/50 split, and if Trump had stayed out of the GA Senate runoffs, the Republicans would be holding a 52-48 edge in the Senate today! But Trump's divisiveness energized the Dems and we lost BOTH seats (though we should be able to get one of those back in 2022, when the Democratic electorate won't be so energized - Dems would take a wider - a much wider - lead in the House! A Juggernaut!
They didn't: They lost seats, and in fact, it's one of the closest House "balances" in decades!
Also: GAINING seats in the House while LOSING the Presidency - both in raw votes and in the Electoral College - is extremely rare in US politics! - Dems would win in the State legislatures, setting them up for having control of a majority of them when redistricting happens due to the 2020 Census
Again, they didn't. In fact, Republicans GAINED control of 2 more state legislative bodies! It's now 61-37-2!
Lose my ass!
The REAL DATA is CLEAR: There is NOTHING wrong with the RNC leadership! They tried, and couldn't get a self-destructive, self-aggrandized, self-important, clownishly orange-painted moron (who thought the country in 2020 was the same as it was in 2016) re-elected... but hey, they almost did!
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Not that anyone needs defending, but:
If you think I've tried to insult you, you've taken my postings far too personally - and I apologize. I don't mean to insult anyone
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You're just an idiot. Actual facts don't matter, only the fact that your Pumpkin King lost...*
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I've called out others before. Things like this only reflects on you, not others. If you tell me Mother Teresa has ugly toes, I'll be looking at your sandals.
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@bc22 said in New York undercounted C-19 deaths:
I've called out others before. Things like this only reflects on you, not others. If you tell me Mother Teresa has ugly toes, I'll be looking at your sandals.
I admit, I sometimes allow myself to get overheated.
I should not have called @raphjd an idiot.
I was wrong. I apologize... to @raphjd and any other readers.
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@walker1234
BRUH
This is gonna go off topic BUT I need to point out at the inconsistencies of your back story. You claim you relocated to China 6 years ago and is from the United States; you're currently seeking a green card for China. However I see you posting in the Chinese forums and what you say indicates you're a Chinese national.Your posts are literally what every 50-cent army posts and comes direct from the "wolf warrior" policy playbook.
You have every right to participate in the discussion but I am pretty sure you're posing as an American national and I am absolutely against POSING as such when you are not.
edit: grammar
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Well, it looks like I was right.
Cuomo is a murderer and tried to blame Trump.
NY Dems are calling him a liar and that he covered up the deaths he caused.
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@raphjd said in New York undercounted C-19 deaths:
Well, it looks like I was right.
Cuomo is a murderer and tried to blame Trump.
NY Dems are calling him a liar and that he covered up the deaths he caused.
Hmmm... you mean LIBERAL DEMS are holding one of their own accountable?
How ironic that my own party can't bring itself to do the same...
Time will tell. There's going to be an investigation here, and the spinning is going to get un-spun.
Of course, the final results will be on "Page 6" and not get any of the coverage the early parts of this story got... but that's the nature of the "headline news" world we live in!
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