What to do after seeding torrents in the website?
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What to do after seeding torrents in the website?
Wait until it grows ...
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There is no set time requirement on how long to seed torrents, unless it is a torrent you have just uploaded.
Perhaps there should be.
Over at Torrentday you are required to seed all of your downloads to either a 1:1 ratio OR at least 72 hours within 30 days, the idea being to discourage hit & runs. If for any reason you can't then you can pay off any remaining time/MB with upload credit or points. I've advocated for doing the same here in the past but it was never taken up. Perhaps Joker and the rest of the staff here might have a discussion around it? With the whole site being updated now would be the ideal time to make the necessary technical changes.
Taste the rainbow! Eat crayons!
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In behalf of Frosty not all posters can complete seeding, either they abandoned their torrent or having technical issues,
sometimes these is the most annoying parts when som1 started posting and run w/o completing torrents ... BUMMER -
Over at Torrentday you are required to seed all of your downloads to either a 1:1 ratio OR at least 72 hours within 30 days, the idea being to discourage hit & runs. If for any reason you can't then you can pay off any remaining time/MB with upload credit or points. I've advocated for doing the same here in the past but it was never taken up. Perhaps Joker and the rest of the staff here might have a discussion around it? With the whole site being updated now would be the ideal time to make the necessary technical changes.
That is a terrible rule, there is no real gain for the tracker or for the users, hit & run is only a real problem in public trackers. In private communities, the ratio determines if and what amount users are allowed to download, that alone is a solid measure that discourages hit & run.
We definitely don't need to tighten up penalties for h&r when it is not a problem that we currently face in the community. If anything, it would be best to favor practices that encourage members to stay seeding indefinitely, not only for 72 hours.
I have said this before and some of the response I got was that people should not be awarded for doing what everyone is here to do, which is a stupid argument that overlooks exactly what I am saying, which is.... People don't really care about seeding if they've reached 1:1 or seeded for a given time.
That's the real issue that needs to be addressed, there's no incentive to keep torrents alive.
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Over at Torrentday you are required to seed all of your downloads to either a 1:1 ratio OR at least 72 hours within 30 days, the idea being to discourage hit & runs. If for any reason you can't then you can pay off any remaining time/MB with upload credit or points. I've advocated for doing the same here in the past but it was never taken up. Perhaps Joker and the rest of the staff here might have a discussion around it? With the whole site being updated now would be the ideal time to make the necessary technical changes.
I agree with @ianfontinell that these are bad ideas.
Why seventy-two hours? I'm sure there are members who only visit at weekends, for whatever reasons. What good does that time limit add if someone downloads a torrent on a Tuesday?
Why 1:1? What if a torrent is an old one, or has limited niche appeal? The last downloader is never going to reach that ratio, which surely discourages people from downloading once they realise that. I'm sure there are many who - for whatever reason - put a cap on the number of torrents they seed at any one time.Why expect them to seed some obscure torrent they downloaded months ago instead of one that is popular, crying out for seeds, and will help them improve their ratio?
Much better to be able to pool the total amount you're seeding rather than worry about each torrent individually. People could be motivated to keep a 1:1 ratio overall. For those who can't, there could be other ways to contribute, perhaps for example by making donations towards the cost of running the site, which obviously does need to be funded somehow. Hmmm. This all sounds familiar, for some reason.
Reseeding a dead torrent -when requested - is relatively easy. Or would be except for one thing, for me at least. That's the amount of peripheral files other than the main ones that people include - primarily images - and sometimes how they've structured subdirectories within a torrent. Many, I'm sure, are happy to download a torrent and keep it "as is" somewhere on their system. But I doubt I'm alone in maintaining my own structure, and wanting stuff I've downloaded to fit that, not a never ending variety of other structures.
"Rules" are perhaps overdoing it, merely to satisfy neat freaks like me, but perhaps some "best practice" guidance would be helpful? Making it easier to reseed when required is surely a much better way of keeping torrents alive than imposing arbitrary seeding rules which both create their own problems, and don't solve the existing ones.
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The last downloader is never going to reach that ratio, which surely discourages people from downloading once they realise that.
Hence the "OR at least 72 hours" but it's obviously not something that would be welcomed here.
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@frostycab I understand what you're saying, but people can only "hit and run" to a limited extent without penalty. Either they become unable to download after a short period of time, or they opt to contribute financially instead of by seeding. The former means they're only a short term problem, while the latter helps keep the site free to use for the majority of members.
To be honest, I don't really see what the problem is. Things seem to be working well enough as they are. Or am I missing something major?
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@Kevin4fm I'm just thinking about some torrents that I've tried grabbing over time where despite only having been recently uploaded and showing at least a couple of dozen snatched copies they drop to only 1 or 2 seeders within a couple of days. Perhaps it's not as widespread as I sometimes think it is.
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@frostycab I'm guessing that these are niche torrents. That's typical of a lot of the BL torrents I grab. There are few takers overall, but those that want them tend to grab them quickly.
There's not much traffic expected after that, and often uploaders include a lot of "unnecessary" image files, and multiple .srt files instead of soft coding them into the main file. I suspect many downloaders don't want to keep all of these, so have difficulty seeding, especially long term.
If you suffer a lot with not being able to download a torrent that shows as having one or two seeders or, likewise, you're seeding yet someone has been sitting there trying to leech for ages yet has been unable to, here's a suggestion:
Someone in the swarm has to be contactable. A big part of this is someone having port forwarding functioning. That's why you can see three or four people waiting to download a new torrent but nothing is happening. Then a fifth person joins who has this, and things instantly start moving. The larger the swarm, the more likely one or more of the peers has this.
I've just switched to a VPN provider who has this feature (Proton). Now I have it configured correctly, I've seen a dramatic increase in the number of torrents I'm seeding. Most of the time there are 15+ now, whereas previously it would only be a handful. And I'm seeding torrents where there's only one leecher and I'm the only seeder, or maybe there's one other, that have not connected before. So if your VPN provider allows this, it's worth spending a few minutes setting it up, or consider switching provider when the opportunity next arises.
Now, if only I could work out why I'm not reaching the up/down speeds my ISP promises, and that I used to see!
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Perhaps there should be.
Over at Torrentday you are required to seed all of your downloads to either a 1:1 ratio OR at least 72 hours within 30 days, the idea being to discourage hit & runs. If for any reason you can't then you can pay off any remaining time/MB with upload credit or points. I've advocated for doing the same here in the past but it was never taken up. Perhaps Joker and the rest of the staff here might have a discussion around it? With the whole site being updated now would be the ideal time to make the necessary technical changes.
I'm kind of for a system like this, as it helps to keep torrents alive and running. The only trouble with this is that some users are not able to leave their computer running all the time, or they have a limited bandwidth (especially for upload), which makes it more difficult for them to do this.
So discouraging hit and runs is good in theory on paper, but there are a number of reasons why such a requirement may not necessarily be all that practical of a thing to do. It's a bit of a double edged sword. You want to discourage hit and runs, but at the same time, you don't want to create a situation for some users that is simply unmanageable.
In the perfect world, there would be a balance. IPT seems to have a balance for this. You have to seed for something like 336 hours, or until you reach a 1:1 ratio, whichever comes first. If you don't do this, they offer two options in which to zap the hit and run. The first option is that you can zap it using upload credit equal to the amount of data you have downloaded for the torrent. This will have a direct negative impact on your ratio. The second option is you can use SBP to zap it as an alternative. This allows users who cannot seed for some reason to have an alternative way of handling the hit and run.
I'm not sure though how feasible that something like this would be on our platform.
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