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It seems like a lot of states are now jumping on board this train now!

@rawfisheater: I know someone in my church who has been through ex gay and it appears to be successful. However I do have questions regarding its success. He says he wants to be married and stuff and he's the only one I would discuss any LGBT stuff with because I generally do not mention sexual orientation in front of church people unless they show themselves to be worthy of such discussion. I doubt it, he probably still fantasizes about men just doesn't act as much on it

I say let people do what they want. It's common now days for married women to keep their maiden name. My nieces use both the surname of the father and their mother depending on the circles they move in. If some gay men want to adopt the name of their partner so be it. Maybe they can bring new meaning to the convention. Rather as a form a patriarchal submission, it might indicate a level of personal sublimation or alteration of a selfhood which is all about something else. It might mean many things including simply imitating an established convention but does it really matter ? The whole pincer movement of appropriating equal access to the marriage ceremony and it's status is in some sense a long called for levelling off of common ground. The initial focus isn't so much in diversifying it but simply in having access to it. I suspect we need to spend time with that for a bit without being so self concious. tzz

Isn't it sad that religion dictates someone's happiness? Huge praise for those people who practice their faith AND are proud of their sexuality  :cheers:

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