FlavaWorks is suing 325 gay-torrents.org users. You maybe one of them.
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@ianfontinell Either that, or they're blissfully unaware of the precedents that have been set by TekSavvy in the Canadian courts. They can throw his IP address around all they want, but an IP address is insufficient proof of identity for the previously mentioned reasons.
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This is actually big news and I think it should concern some users here who are also now likely ex-members of gay-torrents.org.
The site has been down for 2 days now and looking at the reporting it doesn't seem like it will come back. In a nutshell Flavaworks is suing the operators and mods of the site who were financially benefited by running the site, plus 325 users who were found to have uploaded and shared their videos.
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/flava-works-goes-nuclear-in-new-piracy-6951261/
As of now not all documents are publicly available for free. But if anyone has access all the documents and exhibits, including the list of usernames included as defendants, can be downloaded from PACER:
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/64366446/FlavaWorks_Entertainment,_Inc_v_Deniau_et_al
From what I have just read Flavaworks has been launching a lot of copyright infringing cases and this new case will likely be watched by other producers if they're successful in extracting damages from users like us.
Some of you should get prepared, especially if you're in the US. They only know the usernames now and usually they will include as many as you could find at this stage. They may also know the email and IP addresses. It is however not difficult to track you down.
Anyway if anyone has access to PACER please download the documents and share.
The full lawsuit with the users' names can be accessed here, it is quoted in a link within the piece: https://torrentfreak.com/flavaworks-sues-operator-and-325-users-of-private-torrent-tracker-gay-torrents/
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@MrMazda So are you'll saying that I should turn my VPN on when i'm downloading the torrents and seeding it ? or just when I login to the site? ISP can terminate your services but will they do that what's the benefit for them to cancel your services? they also want your business and also if this ISP cancel your services then apply for another ISP - many year ago back in 2000s I got send an email from ISP to my ISP inbox - saying that movie studio found I downloaded a pirate movie cant recall was it via torrents or those zip file website - and its just a warning - because I don't reside in USA and there wasnt a rule back in where I was reside to actual do anything about it
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@harry76 For your ISP, it becomes more of a legal protection. No ISP wants to be known as the ISP that allows copyright infringement on their network. In the case of a user who gets a multitude of requests, this obviously increases the risk that the copyright troll can start litigation against the provider for allowing such activity on their network.
I personally do not use a VPN when logging into the site just to browse or use the forums, however on the machine that I use for the actual torrent traffic, I absolutely use a VPN. I know that in the DPI state of Canada, my ISP can most definitely see what I'm doing behind the VPN, however it is not my ISP I am worried about. It's more of a protection so that nothing attaches my actual IP address to any torrent traffic so that my actual IP address does not appear in the peers pool. This way, my ISP can most definitely still see what I'm doing, but potential copyright trolls cannot tie my identity to any specific torrent.
The other added benefit of using a VPN is that if I do hit on a torrent that is being monitored by copyright trolls, they'll have to approach my VPN provider for further information, however my VPN provider has a strict no logging policy, so they are not able to disclose information that they do not actually have. This saves me from having my ISP account tied to any of the torrents I may have active at any given time, which both protects me from being tied to the torrent, and also stops my ISP from receiving any potential notice.
It is generally assumed that although in a DPI state such as Canada that the big players to the market can see what kind of traffic you have going even through the VPN, they typically do not give a damn what you're actually doing, as long as they don't have copyright holders knocking on their door with infringement claims.
That said, depending on where you are in the world, it may be a wise idea to use the VPN even when logging into the site, just to make sure that even the sites themselves cannot tie your actual IP address to your account. This is particularly helpful if the security of the site or its staff are compromised somehow. A person may be able to tie the VPN IP to different torrents, and may even be able to tie your VPN IP to your account, but if they are not able to sniff out your actual IP address, then the link they need to get your subscriber information is missing, thereby making the VPN IP address a dead end (assuming that your VPN provider has a no logging policy).
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We all should be very careful, just saying, they are reading forums trying to get more information. By now the ludicrious lawsuit is going to target users from their site whose email matches the ones in gay-torrents.org. There is a theory behind how they got this information but I cannot say more for the time being, TorrentFreak also hints the same. You can all connect the dots on your own.
The site owners are going to pay the price, or at least some of their assets will. The web is not coming back, ever, but at least the owners were able to protect a lot of the users by going dark when they did. "Thanking" someone from a torrent should not be done as it's pretty much an admission of guilt.
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@jkronfuss said:
"Thanking" someone from a torrent should not be done as it's pretty much an admission of guilt.No it's not, unless you live in the US where justice is just an arbitrary concept.
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The biggest, and most interest part, about this updated lawsuit is they needed to acknoweledge they got their information in an indirect way, the site was going through a lot of hacks last year, and there is zero way for them to get any email from users unless you are either and admin or an owner. There is a reason why this information is always hidden in most places.
I don't know whether that is allowed in a court given the way it was obtained. We shall see how it goes but yes, it's arbitrary and they are basically trying to go all the way into this lawsuit and nail as much people down as possible.
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@jkronfuss i warned sysop that the fw ceo had contacted me in the email address i used in their site, so he was 100% aware that there was a breach in their opsec. How easy it was to ID him just showcases how reckless and unprepared he was for someone in his position.
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@jkronfuss said:
"Thanking" someone from a torrent should not be done as it's pretty much an admission of guilt.No it's not, unless you live in the US where justice is just an arbitrary concept.
All I'm going to say on this is if you're concerned about who may be able to see that you have put a thanks on a torrent, there is a solution. Go to your profile settings, then set your profile security to "Strong". When this setting is enabled, only a select few staff are able to see who you are when giving thanks.... So it allows you to give thanks (and even SBP) on a torrent, without just anyone being able to see that you have done so.
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@ianfontinell it's a pity they chose not to disclose this fact earlier or I might have left the site, for whatever reasons the owners chose to conceal how serious it was. As I previously mentioned, everything points to FW getting most of their info via hackings, hence the whole thing falls into a "fruit of the poisonous tree" case scenario. We shall see how it goes.
Thanks @mrmazda, I'm going to do that.
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hence the whole thing falls into a "fruit of the poisonous tree"
That was my thought exactly. FW has a history of shady dealings. documented elsewhere in this forum. One of their stunts is to not pay their attorneys, which causes their cases to simply die.
I'm not a FW target as I've never downloaded or commented on their material, but it I were, I'd be inclined to delay the case with motions and such, waiting for their non-paid attorneys to quit and the case to be dismissed.
This is not to be taken as legal advice. If you are involved in this or any other such action, consult your own attorney.
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