Centralized Freeleech Discussions
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In order to have all discussion on the Freeleech system in one place, this topic has been created into which will be merged other topics.
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I'm glad you merged the freeleech-related topics, Uwe. Your comment about the community dynamics is an excellent point!
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Thanks Dax!
Hey Uwe, your proposal to reduce the rate for older torrents is good, it should help if implemented.
I am not sure however about the limitations you mentioned, how do they apply to my proposal? I was proposing that the "freeleech" property be based on a fixed amount of Mb leeched on the torrent from the time the freeleech property is bought. Is that something that is impossible at the moment? In my proposal once the the amount has been exceeded everyone would revert to leeching while spending ratio points.
I don't know the details and am really asking because i don't know how those things work.
[not too sure how easy it will be to follow several conversations on different topics all at once, for new readers? it won't be a problem for me because i can skim through the bits I know were not in my original discussion.]
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I can see why GT.ru is deciding to introduce a form of freeleech. This is, of course, a feature at other private trackers.
I can see that it is altruistic for people with plenty of bonus points to make a torrent featured for a while.
What I cannot see is why go to various calculations to make a torrent featured. I mean, surely the important thing is the duration of the featuring, not the size of the torrent. I featured a very large torrent (not mine) for 6 hours, and it cost over 1,000 points - I did so, but this is too large an amount to be sustainable. A large torrent needs longer featuring, so really, it needed more featuring for the same points.
Why don't you just offer featuring regardless of size? Then you can have a table showing how long x points will feature a torrent for.
Of course, if this is to take off, then people will feature every torrent, and you will no longer need ratio, and no longer punish people who do not (or even cannot) seed much.
Gt.ru is the same as other trackers - you have plenty of seeders. What you need is more downloaders, one day you will work out that enforced ratio is a hindrance, not a benefit, especially for downloaders.
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I confess this discussion has left me completely bewildered. I genuinely don't see why someone would use bonus points to make a torrent freeleech.
I know I'm missing something but not sure what …
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One site I use (no ratio requirement) makes torrents freeleech but I haven't discovered the criteria.
Another (again no ratio) automatically makes torrents freeleech six month after initial posting and they stay freeleech. Staff make certain torrents freeleech (large files, special interest) and certain other members can make their own torrents freeleech.
On both sites it 'costs' nothing and once freeleech they stay freeleech.
I'm not trying to be contrary, I just don't understand the concept of 'buying' freeleech
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I genuinely don't see why someone would use bonus points to make a torrent freeleech.
pth.. doves
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Ok the economic attitude is actually even too pervasively widespread to pretend not to understand it. A thing i was thinking to instead, was the possibility of foreseeing a reward system for the freeleech time increase. Exactly as it already exists for the seedpoints for traffic. Actually the seedpoints cost if I wanted to make a torrent freeleech for 6 hours is exactly the double of the one requested to make it freeleech for 3 hours. If it was a little less than exactly the double one could feel more inclined to choose the longer times. This could be useful for the revitalization of old and/or neglected torrents with a little number of seeders ^-^.
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@Uwe:
The idea of our Freeleech is not that much to buy Freeleech for "me" (alone) to download it cheap(er) than using seed bonus points for upload credit, but to make it free for all members to download.
You may sponsor one torrent to be free, so will do others with other torrents you like. Think community dynamics.
The tracker backend does not allow to control Freeleech for individual peers. It is free for all or for nobody. That make it impossible for example to let a torrent started downloading while Freeleech by a member, letting fully free download once the Freeleech time is over. That is a know system limitation.
The current rate to make a torrent freeleech got both a file size and Freeleech duration component. However as it is the product of both, new small torrents needing short durations to complete are very cheap (a few SBP) and big old awfully expensive (above 10000 SBP needed).
I've made a proposal to adjust the above by using a kind of sum of size and duration and to introduce an age based reduction.
Other ideas are an auto promotion once a torrent is made Freeleech and a reduction of the rate for the original torrent uploader.
Not sure what will be implemented, though. however for sure we need the current implementation to learn and improve from it.
Ok Uwe I'd restart from here
Thx all btw for the nice answer you have given to my reviving attempt of the fine Timmy Ehegötz's Bedingungslose Liebe :hug2:.Btw I'm actually sponsoring a six hours freeleech of Ozon's Les amants criminels :cheesy2:.
But sure these selfish intiatives should be someway coordinated before for a better result. Mebbe via forum or chat :blink:. Any ideas? ^-^ -
Some little notes I put here. Move if OT thx.
Nice Andy Wharol initiative. Thanks Staff ^-^
The Skoonheid long lasting freeleech torrent appears to me dead since yesterday for some reason.https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=162663
Some interesting at least for me torrents for a possible revival still don't show the freeleech option like here:
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=19945
Ciao
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Ciao, agis!
Skoonheid / Beauty (2011) is not dead. It has 1 seeder and many leechers. The reason it might have appeared as dead for a short period, is probably because the only seeder went offline for a while. It looks OK now.
But there's another version of the same movie at a different size (also freeleech) and this one has many seeders:
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=134129The second movie you indicated, Socket (2007), has (as ALL torrents) the option to become freeleech. The reason this option does not appear to YOU, is because you don't have enough seedbonus points to make it freeleech. The freeleech option will also not appear to any other torrent you don't have sufficient SBP to make them freeleech.
I hope this answers your questions.
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That highlights as well that Freeleech points are more efficiently spend when used on well seed torrents, which download can be finished in short time.
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Yes thank you bears the answers are clear. I've of course presumed without certainness, that some freeleech initiatives belong to the Staff since you'd personally need a considerable seedpoints fire power to make a torrent freeleech for155 hours. I'm personally persuaded that a collaboration amongst users possibly via forum could also be interesting for common interest initiatives not depending on the Staff. My individual Ozon's attempt was successfull and kindly sponsored concerning "Criminal lovers" cause I had deliberatley chosen a movie with 8-10 seeders. But a double attempt of reseed of "Sitcom" with 67 PMs got unanswered and of course it would be a pure and ruinous individual waste of seedpoints to make such a torrent freeleech before a well done coordination I think. Of course these are all personal opinions that you will take as they are.
Natura non facit saltus :hehe:
Ciao ^-^
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What about allowing people to donate in order to get more points instead of bandwidth exchange. This way people could use their points the way they want too, to either make a torrent freeleech or exchange towards their bandwidth or even gift seed bonus points.
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@Uwe:
That highlights as well that Freeleech points are more efficiently spend when used on well seed torrents, which download can be finished in short time.
So the most popular torrents become even more popular and the rest are left to languish?
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I see what you mean. Indeed Freeleech torrents are without surprise quite popular. Unfortunately many members show a hit and run behaviour on them.
With well seed, I didn't mean tons of seeder. About 5 should do. There are many older with 5 or more seeder, no leecher for long time.
It was rather meant as a tip to spend the seed bonus points efficiently. On torrents with only one seed, the download rate can be anything from zero to some mega bytes per second. With a handful of seeds it is more likely to get a decent download rate.
We promote many older torrents to the top of the list (promoted torrents have the recycle sign ♺), made freeleech. Often these have no downloader for long times. I hope there is something for any taste.
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Attention: It is no longer possible to download Freeleech torrents without download rights.
This has been changed to stop the "hit and run" with no efforts to improve the share ratio by members without download rights.
Therefore low share ratio warned members should take care to improve their share ratio again, else the won't be able to continue to download once the period expieres until they reach again the minimum share ratio.
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hello to all, completely understand the hit and run part, but what about if the user is unable to really keep up with the ratio (because torrents to be uploaded are already in the database "duplicated" or the uploading speed is limited, etc) and that user is interested in one particular torrent and will like to spend his own bonus point to make the torrent freeleech and then he is unable to download the file he made freeleech.
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@ maruad: Sorry, but you only have to "give" 35 % of what you leech. This is really possible for everyone, no mather what reason someone may create! Just try to seed a torrent a bit longer than only one or two days and you will see, that your ratio will be more than o.k.! ^^
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i think, his intention was to point out the fact that users were used to make torrents freeleech and download them. in this case there is no accuse against them, since they offered their bonus points in exchange to leeching the torrents. the user wants to say that now, after the change, even if such a user offers his bonus points, he makes the freeleech for others, but he can't download it for himself. good point, i will ask admins if this can get fixed …
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The point is, amice, that the ratio rules shouldn't be overruled by any options - not even with an option, that a user spent his seeding points, to download this torrent. On the other hand, the users should be informed, that it is still nice to make a torrent freeleech, but it will not give them any advantages over the ratio rules.
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