Questionable Content Poll{Please Vote}

eobox91103

The proof I am talking about is the proof we can see with our own two eyes i.e., the actors in said torrents. NOT A FUCKING COMPLIANCE STATEMENT.

I believe Jay is saying, "if an actor looks under-age, then the material is inappropriate for this site, even if there is a compliance statement." To be safe, I think this is a good approach, but we have to acknowledge that there's a lot of uncertainty here. While a 10-year-old is clearly a 10-year-old, it's a lot less clear when guys are older. I've taught at the junior/senior high and university levels, and I've seen lots of guys who were 20 and looked 16, as well a few who were 16 who looked 20. Mass media tends to distort our concept of age, because high school students are often played by actors who are 20, and college students are played by actors who are 25-30.

If this were a court of law, we could presume that a file is appropriate unless proven guilty. Unfortunately, we don't have any means of getting proof here–so the real question is, "how do we decide if something is inappropriate?" It comes back to instinct and subjective evaluation, which will never be perfect. If we err on the safe side (which I think is a good idea), we have to accept that some torrents with entirely legal content are going to be deleted or excluded. That's just the cost of doing business on a site like this. I think it's a small price to pay--and there's no shortage of other content available through this site.

On a related note, I would suggest that we use judgment in how we deal with people who upload considered-to-be-inappropriate content: It's one thing if the material is explicitly banned from this site or contains unquestionably underage actors--those people should probably be banned. But in the case of the video that started this thread--from a now-defunct website that claimed to be compliant with US age limits--I think the user seeding that material can be counseled about the site's policies and permitted to stay. I think we can be quick to condemn material, but we should be more cautious about condemning members.

amice

you can be sure that we don't ban users for questionable content. we only "silently" remove it and the uploader is informed about not to do it next time.

cumeaternc

O.k guys the joke is up. jay230 I agree with your assesment 100% :laugh: I wish you could have done a better job of articulating it than you did. My goal was to see how a reasoned and educated argument(my "view") could stand up to a emotional opinion and stood up pretty well! Listen, as adults we have to do everything in our power to protect innocenet children from such disicable pratices as child/underage porn. jay230 you were an easy target because not once did you point to precedent of law like truckr did in his post. My own opinion is to stay away from anything that looks like it could get you in trouble(in porn and in real life). I still do believe that if you are a responsible user you will go out and try to find the information we need to pull a questionable torrent and approach the uploader. truckr found all his info with some simple searches I bet. I don't approve torrents with models that appear underage and I never will. jay230 with due diligence and some facts you may have a real argument but until then it's just your opinion. I was in law for a while and you would be amazed at how easy it is defeat an opponent who has no facts or proof. Does that make it right? NO, but that's the way the world works. It's sad to say but I'm sure more sicko studio producers have gotten off of child porn charges than have been convicted. As a community if we stand against this stuff we can make a difference. The grim truth is that there must be a market for it if the studios are producing it. Before I pulled the bigfunhouse torrent it had been snatch over 17,000 times! Guys as you see questionable content, or even if you snatch a torrent and the pictures don't match the video(i.e. college guys in the pics and much younger guys in the actual video) report it to us. Help keep our community safe.

amice

Help keep our community safe.

and i would add: not only safe but also saNe .. sorry guys, but it's really not "healthy" to be attracted with kiddie porn. this has much more to do with your psychics than with your sexual preference. think of this: the kids do it for money, but they are not fully aware how deep this can damage them, sometimes even for all their life being. then no wonder that we have streets full of young whores, with so "noble" name "escort" $:-\$

jay230

Thanks guys… I did try and back up my statements by doing some research but the things I was finding were in no relation to my arguments. I am not the best writer and often struggle to find the right way of saying something the first time around. I do that cumeaternc for pushing me in regards to the issue so that my statements could come into perspective and thank those who have backed up what I said.

Along with with evidence found in pictures and torrent files I think just to be safe as well doing research on the studios like cumeaternc and trukr did is also a good thing because it helps backup their decisions to remove content and supports the notion that this isn't a war on guys who like younger guys but to keep the site safe. Though first and foremost our eyes tend to be the most honest.

The best way for us to help keep the site sane like amice is talking about is to leave comments on videos or even on the forum to make users who enjoy this type of content question themselves and the legality of their actions. This also apply to other legal content such as bareback which is a HUGE sore spot for me and goes hand in hand with twink porn because more often than not it's young boys in this genre. These comments aren't about bitchy or pissy but sometimes the more bold statements are the ones that have the most impact.

You can argue the law how ever you want I'm sure there are people getting off on this sort of thing everyday. Really it's all in how you argue you can still argue intent with little evidence it's all in how you strategically tie intent to what you have. Me I had very little so I thought outside the box. I tried to illustrate how the law views other types of content such as cartoon drawings and then I used an analogy. I enjoy a good challenge.

raphjd

Mass media tends to distort our concept of age, because high school students are often played by actors who are 20, and college students are played by actors who are 25-30.

Anyone remember the US tv show "Beverly Hills, 90210"?

Jason Priestly was 21 when the series started, but played a 13 year old. A several weeks into the show his character turned 14.

Luke Perry was 23 and playing a 14 year old at the start of the series.

cumeaternc

I live in America and believe me the mass media has distorted what we perceive as teenage or young adult with so many "teen" drama shows. Dawsons Creek, Saved By the Bell, BH 90210, the list can go on. If there is ANY question of age when it comes to porn though my policy is ALWAYS don't touch it!

raphjd

As I said in the mod section, there are respectable and responsible porn companies that use young looking guys for their videos; ie AYOR, Eurocreme, BA, Hammer, etc, etc, etc.

There will always be cases like Brent Corrigan's where he used convincing fake ID to get into the business. This is the reason no one from Cobra or porn dealers were arrested over it. The videos were recalled and that was that, except for the civil suit between Corrigan and Cobra. Traci Lords is another example of an under age porn star who used fake ID. We can never protect ourselves from this, except delete them from the site and our hard drives if/when they are made known.

To be safe, we should only allow videos of guys with grey hair. Oh wait, my uncle Pete was bald and completely grey at 17. Damned, that rule won't work either.

NOTE 1: True kiddie porn will always be banned. In this thread we are talking about under age {16 -17}.

NOTE 2: We won't ban people for posting questionable stuff, only the stuff that is on the banned list.

jay230

@raphjd:

As I said in the mod section, there are respectable and responsible porn companies that use young looking guys for their videos; ie AYOR, Eurocreme, BA, Hammer, etc, etc, etc.

There will always be cases like Brent Corrigan's where he used convincing fake ID to get into the business. This is the reason no one from Cobra or porn dealers were arrested over it. The videos were recalled and that was that, except for the civil suit between Corrigan and Cobra. Traci Lords is another example of an under age porn star who used fake ID. We can never protect ourselves from this, except delete them from the site and our hard drives if/when they are made known.

To be safe, we should only allow videos of guys with grey hair. Oh wait, my uncle Pete was bald and completely grey at 17. Damned, that rule won't work either.

NOTE 1: True kiddie porn will always be banned. In this thread we are talking about under age {16 -17}.

NOTE 2: We won't ban people for posting questionable stuff, only the stuff that is on the banned list.

There is a difference between a guy that looks like he just turned 18 and a guy that is obviously younger than that. I don't think any of these actors you speak of from TV shows were actually meant to be seriously believable as significantly younger than they were they were simply the right person for the role. Isn't it a running joke that these teen dramas are slightly out of touch from reality?

We can protect ourselves by disassociating ourselves with content where actors may or may not be underage. We've illustrated several times now how our eyes are the best judge. I understand that there may be in your eyes several reputable studios that use young looking guys but who's to say they just haven't been caught or even will be?

I never said the site should condemn those who Download or Upload questionable content unless they continue to upload such content to the site.

The Brent Corrigan and Tracy Lords cases were highly publicized cases due in part to the characters involved and the way things were handled… I'm sure they are many other cases where things were handled much quieter. Cases like this would be avoidable if this industry was so dangerously obsessed with youth which is far more than it is in mainstream Hollywood. I'm not saying actors should be grey and balding before they should be allowed to do porn but at least old enough as to clearly depict two consensual adults engaging in sexual acts.

In terms of the way I think the law would view such cases where actors are much younger than they appear much like you "Uncle Pete" much differently than when actors CLEARLY appear to be on the younger side. Even though we are talking about 16-17 year olds who some would consider to be capable of making their own decisions or adults in their own right in the eyes of the law they are not.

There is no one true solution to this problem because each will have it's own pro's and it's own cons. I do feel however that the amount of content purged whether it be within compliance or not is small compared to the damages caused by keeping it here.

BTW IMHO the torrent file that started this conversation the actors appeared to be more along the lines of 15-16.

cumeaternc

Just a quick note. I have set this thread as Non-Sticky but you may continue to vote and discuss as desired. Thank you all for your honest input.

Much Love
Brandon

leatherbear

Excellent Topic and discussion!! Thanks educational indeed!!!

stealfire

(I totally agree, Cumeater! There's nothing more sexy than swapping sperm, mouth to mouth with the right man! Mine or his, or both! Had a few bitter and acidic loads, but nothing I would spit out! I remember one that was sweeter than candy!)

As I state in my profile, True force or coercion is rape and is wrong. Underage models, especially use of children in porn, sickens me to the the very marrow of my being. That too is rape, and far, far worse. I wouldn't hesitate to report either of these acts. I would feel compelled to.

That said, I'm not opposed to fantasy and enjoy acted scenes of rape or force, using consenting men of consenting age. I enjoy acting out these scenes myself with a willing partner, playing either role. I don't know how some of these guys handle it, but I love watching a consenting dude grin and bear a good spanking or a huge cock up the arse! I enjoy hearing the grunts and groans as a dude wills himself to take a little more or stretch a little wider, as well as the persuasive urgings of the big dick owner! If the actor is of age, whether for he's doing it for love or money, as long as he's willing, I'm okay with it on film. There are probably exceptions, but overall, this is my feeling on the subject. I don't get into fisting or S&M. Not against it, just not my scene. You "asked" my opinion, you got it!

cumeaternc

@stealfire:

True force or coercion is rape and is wrong. Underage models, especially use of children in porn, sickens me to the the very marrow of my being. That too is rape, and far, far worse. I wouldn't hesitate to report either of these acts. I would feel compelled to.

I had forgotten about this thread and this poll but upon reading it again it heartened me to know how "responsible" our community of members can be when it comes to protecting our tracker and protecting innocent children and those that may be subjected to true rape and torture.