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    • J Offline
      jbo1
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      Bareback sex happens all the time, and has always happened, especially now that people are less paranoid about it (for good and bad). I don't think a study has ever been done on this subject but I am tempted to say if someone were to have bareback sex, they would do it regardless of the videos they watch just because it feels better for most people. A lot of people hate condoms.

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      • MrMazdaM Offline
        MrMazda Global Moderator
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        There is another factor that many people who do bareback porn take into account. Well… It's split up into two different parts. The first is the viral load.... Simply put, a number of studies have been done in the last few years to attempt to quantify the risk of HIV transmission particular to unprotected gay sex. The interesting thing is that in every study, they all noted that there has not been so much as one case of HIV transmission from an HIV+ person with an undetectable viral load. This is one factor they often look at. If the person is undetectable, a lot of people will decide to participate anyway.

        The second factor to take into account is whether or not the person who is not HIV+ is on PrEP. The down side to PrEP is that it too is not exactly a guarantee. It was only noted to substantially reduce the risk. A lot of people who are not and do not want to become HIV+ but do bareback porn will also use PrEP..... So the single answer to the question would be no... It's not a culprit for AIDS.

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        • seaguy11S Offline
          seaguy11
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          Blaming BB porn for the AIDS virus is like blaming murder in movies for causing murders in real life.

          If your watching porn and then going out and barebacking without giving thought to the dangers of it then your stupid.

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          • gaypraha2G Offline
            gaypraha2
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            seaguy11 you are sooo right.. but it seems some people around here think that people are total idiots and will reproduce any thing they see on a screen ( same thing about dumb fetish role playing) therefore censorship aka totalitarianism is the key. I guess theses guys are from fourth world or third world countries so of course to us that kind of ideas sounds very retarded:) :hug2:

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            • H Offline
              hw597
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              Is bareback videos a culprit for AIDS?
              Firstly I am going to assume you mean:
              Are bareback videos a culprit for the spread of HIV?

              I know its pedantic but misinformation about HIV and AIDS is a serious problem. Its important that we make sure that we don't confuse things. On to the actual question. IMO yes they are a culprit simply because they play a part.

              Most people are almost scared to admit that bareback sex is natural. I personally find it difficult to cum when I am wearing a condom. I actively seek out specialist condoms that still feel good. In my current lifestyle, sex is essentially a kind-of-rare treat to be enjoyed. A condom gets in the way of that enjoyment. I still will wear one as they are a necessity but the temptation is always there.
              Watching bareack strengthens my mindset that I am missing out on "better" sex and the temptation is all the worse for it.

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              • buffboybryanB Offline
                buffboybryan
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                I guess because most of this dialogue happened a couple years ago, that the "Prep" system of taking Truvada once a day  when you are negative will keep you from becoming positive. It's still not being used widely in areas that should. I lived in LA for many years and anyone in the porn industry now that is actively working I'm sure knows about it. I hardly ever get asked to wear a condom. (quite often a guy will tell me he hates condoms immediately. I'm poz so it doesn't bother me, I would rather not have to deal with it. I tell everyone that asks if I am HIV Poz (especially as the first question) Im so done with the obsessing over who is and isn't poz. I find that smaller cities that have a lot more shame and fear over the disease are the areas where people are not informed.

                And that post that teens don't think it's a problem anymore is bull shit. the 18 and 19 year old dudes Ive banged in LA seem to be very aware of how to use a condom and not afraid to tell me yes when I ask them if i should wear one. I have been in smaller towns dancing in clubs where the people who are POZ arent out about it and so people think that no one they know has it or those people must have died. I am surprized how we have so much available information easy to answer things yet the internet surprises me more how stupid some people can be. look it up!

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                • D Offline
                  DDAC84
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                  A few red flags in this discussion…

                  PREP is not a guaranteed protection...

                  When taken every day, PrEP has been shown to reduce the risk of HIV infection in people who are at high risk by more than 90%. PrEP is much less effective if it is not taken consistently. PrEP can be even more effective if it is combined with other ways to prevent new HIV infections like condom use, drug abuse treatment, and treatment for people living with HIV to reduce the chance of passing the virus to others.

                  Someone who has an undetectable viral load can still pass on HIV

                  Just because you have HIV doesn't mean it is safe to have Bareback with other positive people...
                  "Re-infection, also called ‘superinfection’, is when you are HIV positive, have unprotected sex with another person with HIV and pick up (or pass on) a different strain of the virus.

                  This can make you sicker faster if the new strain is more aggressive than the strain you already have. If the new strain is resistant to HIV drugs, it may also stop your drugs from working or limit the therapy you take in future.

                  It is hard to say how common re-infection is. Recent studies suggest it may be more common than previously thought. If you have HIV you will need to find out as much as you can and make your own decision."

                  You can't blame porn. Blame lack of education.

                  I always assume if someone wants BB sex that they are HIV positive.
                  I never have BB sex with anyone apart from my husband, we always play safe with other guys.

                  http://www.tht.org.uk
                  https://www.aids.gov
                  http://www.hivaware.org.uk

                  I wondered why the Frisbee was getting bigger, and then it hit me!

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                  • H Offline
                    hw597
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                    @DDAC84:

                    You can't blame porn. Blame lack of education.

                    I always assume if someone wants BB sex that they are HIV positive.

                    You can't blame any one thing. There are a myriad of factors that affect HIV rates. It's not effective to blame one of those factors and ignore the others.

                    In my experience saying it's soley because of lack of education isn't correct. i'll give myself as an example.
                    I am HIV negative, and currently single. I have had casual sex obviously.
                    I am confident that I am sufficiently educated on HIV risks, treatments and facts.
                    If I have casual sex, I protect myself. However I have to admit that I have had instances where I have been careless/ given in to temptation/ taken a risk.

                    In my experience that is normal. If only because the instances that it has happened is with other's that would swear they are safe all the time.
                    I would say I am safe 90-95% of the time. I get the feeling that is rather common.

                    Historically, I panic afterwards and get myself checked asap but the fact remains: why do I take the risk 5-10% of the time?

                    Do I elevate bareback sex in mind? yes
                    Why?

                    @DDAC84:

                    I always assume if someone wants BB sex that they are HIV positive.

                    That's not fair. I will admit that its safe mindset, but it certainly isn't correct.

                    Wide spread demonisation of the desire for BB sex will only cause people to lie about how often they do it.

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                      hw597
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                      @hw597:

                      @DDAC84:

                      You can't blame porn. Blame lack of education.

                      I always assume if someone wants BB sex that they are HIV positive.

                      You can't blame any one thing. There are a myriad of factors that affect HIV rates. It's not effective to blame one of those factors and ignore the others.

                      In my experience saying it's soley because of lack of education isn't correct. i'll give myself as an example.
                      I am HIV negative, and currently single. I have had casual sex obviously.
                      I am confident that I am sufficiently educated on HIV risks, treatments and facts.
                      If I have casual sex, I protect myself. However I have to admit that I have had instances where I have been careless/ given in to temptation/ taken a risk.

                      In my experience that is normal. If only because the instances that it has happened is with other's that would swear they are safe all the time.
                      I would say I am safe 90-95% of the time. I get the feeling that is rather common.

                      Historically, I panic afterwards and get myself checked asap but the fact remains: why do I take the risk 5-10% of the time?

                      Do I elevate bareback sex in mind? yes
                      Why?

                      @DDAC84:

                      I always assume if someone wants BB sex that they are HIV positive.

                      That's not fair. I will admit that its safe mindset, but it certainly isn't correct.

                      Wide spread demonisation of the desire for BB sex will only cause people to lie about how often they do it.

                      You are lucky enough to have found the elusive husband material. I assume from your wording that you have BB sex with each other. Some of us have been single for nearly 2 years. We still have the same desires as you though.

                      As I am sure you are aware, ALL BB sex is a risk. Including in a long term relationship. You have no way of guaranteeing what your partner is up to.

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                        DDAC84
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                        @hw597:

                        @DDAC84:

                        You can't blame porn. Blame lack of education.

                        I always assume if someone wants BB sex that they are HIV positive.

                        You can't blame any one thing. There are a myriad of factors that affect HIV rates. It's not effective to blame one of those factors and ignore the others.

                        In my experience saying it's soley because of lack of education isn't correct. i'll give myself as an example.
                        I am HIV negative, and currently single. I have had casual sex obviously.
                        I am confident that I am sufficiently educated on HIV risks, treatments and facts.
                        If I have casual sex, I protect myself. However I have to admit that I have had instances where I have been careless/ given in to temptation/ taken a risk.

                        In my experience that is normal. If only because the instances that it has happened is with other's that would swear they are safe all the time.
                        I would say I am safe 90-95% of the time. I get the feeling that is rather common.

                        Historically, I panic afterwards and get myself checked asap but the fact remains: why do I take the risk 5-10% of the time?

                        Do I elevate bareback sex in mind? yes
                        Why?

                        @DDAC84:

                        I always assume if someone wants BB sex that they are HIV positive.

                        That's not fair. I will admit that its safe mindset, but it certainly isn't correct.

                        Wide spread demonisation of the desire for BB sex will only cause people to lie about how often they do it.

                        I didn't say that if someone wanted BB sex they were positive, it just means that I "assume" they are, I am not demonising anyone, it's my method to staying safe.

                        You have to ask yourself, "if they are willing to have BB with me and know nothing about me then how many other people have they had BB sex with"

                        Of course it isn't fair to judge people. But rather safe than sorry… but I still sleep with them lol, I just rubber up.

                        Of course I have had BB with random people before (many years ago). But like you consider myself to be fairly well educated on the risks.

                        The reason you have "elevated" BB in your mind is because BB is the bees knees! It doesn't get better than BB. But you have to weigh up the risks involved.

                        Of course there is a risk with BB, even in a LTR, we both get checked every 3 months. It is about trust and after being with him for nearly 12 years I think I can trust him. We have both had BB with randoms since being with each other and we tell each other straight away. Then we keep it wrapped for the next few weeks and once the "incubation period" (Think its 2 weeks with the current testing we get.) has passed we get checked, then back to BB.

                        I think education is largely to blame, most people who have BB sex in my experience are not aware of the risks, 1 in 8 gay/bi men in London are estimated to be HIV positive, 1 in 20 as a UK national average. That means that last year statistically I would have slept with at least 2 men who were HIV positive.

                        anyhow, I don't want to argue, its just my opinion. 🙂

                        I wondered why the Frisbee was getting bigger, and then it hit me!

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                          hw597
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                          I'm sorry if that came across more confrontational than intend, it's not an argument. I actually gathered that the statement for what it was.

                          The only thing we disagree on is that high risk behaviour is due to lack of education.

                          Every time I've had the situation crop up with a guy its pretty much always been a case of them actively ignoring the risks as apposed to them not understanding that they should be safe. I'll admit that there is a range in people's understanding of nuances of the risk itself but all the same, they know the overall message.

                          A lot people I've met use self justifications like, "Even if I get it. It's not a big deal" but when you follow up with with, "Well do you actually want to get it?" The answer is always no.

                          I will admit that the whole Prep thing does have people confused.

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                            shynquietguy
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                            If you mean "Are the bareback acts we're seeing happening on camera possibly spreading HIV?" then sure, probably. Some of the more crazy barebacking videos I've seen where it's a recording of a giant bareback sex party probably had some STD sharing happening, but the fact that it was being recorded didn't change that. If it was happening privately with no cameras around the HIV spreading would still happen.

                            On the other hand if you mean "Are people watching these barebacking videos and then being influenced by them into thinking it's all cool and awesome and no worries to run out and do the same?" then that's just silly. Sure, like with violent films, video games, etc. every once in a blue moon there's going to be that one nutcase with a very low IQ who sees something on film and feels the urge to mimic it in real life, but they're, thankfully, extremely rare, and their stupidity-fueled actions are in no way to blame on the media they consumed.

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                              hw597
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                              @shynquietguy:

                              On the other hand if you mean "Are people watching these barebacking videos and then being influenced by them into thinking it's all cool and awesome and no worries to run out and do the same?" then that's just silly. Sure, like with violent films, video games, etc. every once in a blue moon there's going to be that one nutcase with a very low IQ who sees something on film and feels the urge to mimic it in real life, but they're, thankfully, extremely rare, and their stupidity-fueled actions are in no way to blame on the media they consumed.

                              You are thinking in extreme's.

                              Porn influences sex in a multitude of ways. Hell I can even say that it has had some influence on the type of people I am atracted to, the way I view my body and the habits I keep to influence what I look like.

                              I pretty much exclusively watch bareback videos. (To me they are just hotter)

                              On the occasions that I have slipped up and been stupid in sex. Is it possible that has had effect?  Maybe.

                              Its obviously not the sole or even main reason obviously.

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                                samiderwish
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                                all gay star  movie actors they tested for HIV before they make  this movies

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                                  foreco
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                                  @DDAC84:

                                  A few red flags in this discussion…

                                  PREP is not a guaranteed protection...

                                  When taken every day, PrEP has been shown to reduce the risk of HIV infection in people who are at high risk by more than 90%. PrEP is much less effective if it is not taken consistently. PrEP can be even more effective if it is combined with other ways to prevent new HIV infections like condom use, drug abuse treatment, and treatment for people living with HIV to reduce the chance of passing the virus to others.

                                  Someone who has an undetectable viral load can still pass on HIV

                                  Just because you have HIV doesn't mean it is safe to have Bareback with other positive people...
                                  "Re-infection, also called ‘superinfection’, is when you are HIV positive, have unprotected sex with another person with HIV and pick up (or pass on) a different strain of the virus.

                                  This can make you sicker faster if the new strain is more aggressive than the strain you already have. If the new strain is resistant to HIV drugs, it may also stop your drugs from working or limit the therapy you take in future.

                                  It is hard to say how common re-infection is. Recent studies suggest it may be more common than previously thought. If you have HIV you will need to find out as much as you can and make your own decision."

                                  You can't blame porn. Blame lack of education.

                                  I always assume if someone wants BB sex that they are HIV positive.
                                  I never have BB sex with anyone apart from my husband, we always play safe with other guys.

                                  http://www.tht.org.uk
                                  https://www.aids.gov
                                  http://www.hivaware.org.uk

                                  do you ask the guy to use condom when you perform BJ on him?

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                                  • MrMazdaM Offline
                                    MrMazda Global Moderator
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                                    Just to point something out… There has yet to be so much as one documented case of HIV transmission where the only sexual contact was oral.... Just sayin'.... This doesn't mean it's impossible for transmission to occur from oral sex, however it is very suggestive that the risk isn't very significant to begin with from oral sex.

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                                      JACK777
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                                      foreco,

                                      Thank you for the information it really helped me understand the whole situation better.

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                                      • MulderYuffieM Offline
                                        MulderYuffie
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                                        I think studios are more careful then they were back then but at this point it would only make a small dent I believe.

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                                          samiderwish
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                                          its very dengerus

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                                          • AnythingOldA Offline
                                            AnythingOld
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                                            I really do hate questions like these. It's like saying "violent video games are responsible for homicides." It's a bunch of rubbish! Anybody with good common sense cannot blame video games for the actions of others. There is always something far deeper. So, having said that, you can't blame barebacking videos for the cause of H.I.V. and A.I.D.S. it is not logical. I love bareback videos, but I'm not going to make willful attempts to have someone bareback me, or someone else simply because that's what I like to watch. SMH…   :blink:


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