Rationator 3.0 Torrent Download Permissions

meliliou

Iptorrents ~~also~~ is tracking hit and runs, ~~were not the only ones~~. They show up on your Iptorrents profile which you are only allowed so many (i believe) You can however make those hit and runs disappear by using your seed bonus or your upload credit, either way you have to pay for hit and runs :police:

Where can we view this web page on our profile? I can't find it. I haven't seed a definition of 'hit and run' so I would like to see what the page says so I can act accordingly

Joker

@meliliou:

@junior:

Iptorrents ~~also~~ is tracking hit and runs, ~~were not the only ones~~. They show up on your Iptorrents profile which you are only allowed so many (i believe) You can however make those hit and runs disappear by using your seed bonus or your upload credit, either way you have to pay for hit and runs :police:

Where can we view this web page on our profile? I can't find it. I haven't seed a definition of 'hit and run' so I would like to see what the page says so I can act accordingly

gues he is talking about another tracker, not gtru

junior

Yes I was I guess the iptorrents.com didn't show up in my response.

Popper

Without being able to give you the definition of Iptorrents for "Hit and run", in the context of torrents it means to download a torrent's files and to stop the torrent or remove it from the torrent client programme as soon as the download is complete.

That means the burden of uploading, which is the bottleneck for download speeds, is left to other users. If that behaviour is common on a tracker, download speed will suffer quickly after the first hype and many torrents will turn dead already a rather short time after their initial upload.

Joker

if your limits arent enough because you came back frequently, you can add those torrents you cannot download to your wishlist.. so you can easy find them the next day to download them.. just takes you a minute

sexi79

I appreciate the discussion, and the changes implemented by GTRU. You guys are awesome. Thanks for listening. My dick is no longer aching… at least, not for another couple hours.

One more question, though... and certainly not the beat a dead horse, but... I definitely understand the need to prevent cheaters. It makes all of us suffer, least of all you guys as the people who run GTRU. But, I wonder... For people who have been a member for a particular period of time, and have uploaded (or downloaded) a particular number of GBs, and have a ratio above a certain number (say 1), why not remove their limits altogether, since it's clear that they're not cheating. And if they fall below the 1 ratio, fine. Limits go back into effect until they're above again. Seems to me like you'll be rewarding the good guys and punishing the bad guys all at the same time... and it wouldn't discourage anyone from being a good guy since they're going to be limited regardless one way or another under the current setup.

Just a thought.

thangcuoi

For people who have been a member for a particular period of time, and have uploaded (or downloaded) a particular number of GBs, and have a ratio above a certain number (say 1), why not remove their limits altogether, since it's clear that they're not cheating.

Completely agree. Sometimes the simplest solution is the best solution.

Popper

For people who have been a member for a particular period of time, and have uploaded (or downloaded) a particular number of GBs, and have a ratio above a certain number (say 1), why not remove their limits altogether, since it's clear that they're not cheating.C

Because new user can easily reach sky high ratios, it doesn't require much upload with low downloads …

The permissions increase steeply above 50 GB of download. Then someone who got a share ratio of 1 can download at least 14 .torrent files per day. Personally I can't see how even collectors get limited (their HDD space will limit them more), except those who pass only very occasionally.

tkhuma

Hi,

I just got hit by the DL limit for the first time today, and I must say it's not very convenient

Like many people here, I would usually come to check the torrents once a week and leave the program to seed/download the rest of the time.

Having this limit is really impractical and I will probably tend to forget about the files I could not download.

May I suggest, as it seems that this rule will not be overturned anytime soon, that you at least let us download the .torrent file but disable the download of the actual file for the next 24 hours ?

Thanks in advance

Riddler

I have recommended users click "Wish List" on the browse page for torrents they wish to download in the future.

Using the "Wish List" and a small change of behavior to visit GT.ru a little more frequently than in the past accomplishes what you seek.

Thanks for making the extra effort. :hug2:

tkhuma

I have carefully checked a torrent download page and there is no "add to wish list" button anywhere at the moment.

There is "Show torrents on wish list" on the welcome page, that's it.

I'm not aware of the technicalities but isn't it possible to block the torrent files from starting the download in the torrent client instead of blocking the download of the .torrent file? It's only a matter of ergonomy, it doesn't change the essence of this "rule"

Popper

Look on the "Search" or "Browse" page in the results, column "S/L". There is an item "Wish List". If you click that, it turns yellow and the torrent is added to your wish list. If you click again, it turns white and has been removed.

The the quick link "Show torrents on wish list" you've seen allows to show ALL torrents on your wish list by one click.

You can filter results in the search category box below it. To see only torrents on the wish list there mark the "On wishlist only" box in where to search and any other filter configuration you like.

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tkhuma

Thanks Popper and Riddler, I see it now! :clap2:

2 suggestions :

Is there a way to make it appear on the torrent page too? I usually don't know if I wish to download a torrent before I click on the pictures or read the description.
It's also the page on which we get faced with the download limit message, after leaving the torrent list browsing sometimes, so it would be much more convenient
Can you display the amount of time left before download rights are resumed ?
It only says " you can download X amount of files each 24 hours", but I don't know if that 24 hour window started 10 minutes ago or 23 hours ago.
Something like " You need to wait X hours" before you can download again would be really helpful.

:mb2:

Joker

this is on our todolist….

Gaylon

My question is when does the 24 hour clock start? Lets say you download most of your torrents at 10am, but don't actually hit the magic limit until 10pm. Will the clock not start till 10pm, or do the ones started have their own timer? ???

Joker

the function looks 24 hours in the past from "now" and counts your downloads..
it will be more clear and show you more infos soon

Speedmaster8

Allowed Torrents

30 When uploading, this is the number of active torrents (upload or download) you are allowed to have connected to the tracker. This is to make sure your upload speed remains fast enough to initially seed your new torrent.

Is this part of the new system?

If I am allowed to download 50 torrents a day and you refuse that I may reseed them to equal my ratio, how this is going to work?

I understand that the allowed torrents for upload should be limited for some slow internet connections, but as far that I know, you messure as well the upload on a regulary basis. You could limit from these measurements instead of everthing else, because I don't see any reason why you would limit the seeding of fast internet connections.

Second on this behalf, I think that the actual seeded torrents from all users gets less very fast and old torrents disappear much faster, because there won't be any seeder.

Popper

That is a point which needs to be addressed internally, basically you can ignore [it, [b] if the following rule is respected:

"Upload only ONE NEW TORRENT AT A TIME in order to initially seed your upload as fast as possible. If multiple torrents are uploaded, they MUST be completed within 24 hours."

Consider that number in the Profile as a suggestion for inexperienced users.

CalvnKlein

I hate to bring this up again, but I still think that the new Rationator 3.0 rules are too restrictive for loyal members and would benefit from some improvements. First off, I do want to say that it was a great idea to implement the new system in order to ward off the cheaters and "hit and runners" and encourage uploads, and I'm glad that you are already seeing positive results with this new system. Kudos to whoever came up with it.

On the other hand, these rules are also negatively affecting your most loyal members, and though not everyone is equally affected, many people have already complained about this limitation. So there needs to be a solution to this dilemma. The way I see it is that the lower tiers of the Rationator table (low download amount) effectively target the cheaters and "hit and runners" and prevents them from downloading a large number of torrents without uploading and then abandoning their account. However, as you start to get into the upper tiers of the Rationator table (higher download amount and higher minimum ratio), it stops targeting the cheaters and "hit and runners" and starts affecting your loyal members more. There are several ways to potentially correct this issue.

Several members have mentioned this previously, but why not eliminate the daily download limit of torrent files altogether for people that have been members of the site for a long time, have their account in good standing (good share ratio), and have UPLOADED a lot of data?? For example, the Rationator rules would apply to everyone, up to the point that a member reaches maybe 1TB of uploaded data, maintains a share ratio above 1.0, AND has been a member for over a year. Or something along those lines. Members with these statistics have proven that they are loyal members that certainly do not intend on cheating or screwing everyone else over.

Another way to correct the issue would be to extend the Rationator table beyond >800 GB of download (or upload) amount with a corresponding increase in baseline daily download limit, WITHOUT capping the limit at 50 maximum daily downloads. For example, with <1.0 TB the limit would go to 30, with <1.5 TB the limit would go to 40, with <2.0 the limit would go to 45, and so on.

I'm sure that there are other ways to address the limitation that loyal members feel has been placed upon them. But it is an issue that should be corrected. Even though 50 daily torrent file downloads may seem like a lot to some, it may be very cumbersome to others. There are people that simply cannot visit the website daily and can only do so once a week or even less often due to the burdens of work or school, who would backtrack to the last time they downloaded torrents from the site and catch up on the torrents they've missed since then. The limit of 50 downloads would definitely get in the way in this case.

There are also collectors (I may fall in this category), whether with hoarding issues or not, that have days when they want to download more than 50 torrent files per day, and why shouldn't they be allowed to do so if they have maintained their account in good standing for a long time and have proven that they are loyal members of the site?? And I must say that this is especially the case recently, since so many deliciously hott-looking torrent are being uploaded since the lifting of the ban of certain studios (i.e. CF and Titan).

I apologize for the long post, but I think this is an important issue that should be further addressed and corrected, and I needed to express my opinions on the matter. I hope they're taken into consideration and that the appropriate changes be implemented soon or, otherwise, reasons and explanations be given for why these specific changes would not result in the benefit of the more loyal members as well as for the site itself. Despite all of this, I still really really like this site and want the best for it.

–CK

Joker

we planed already to lift the limits at higher ratio stages. please be patient just for a while for another update