Judged and banned as "Non-gay related movies"
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We have had a rash of movies uploaded here recently that have nothing to do with GLBT whatsoever and many that break one or more rules; ie the blockbuster rule.
Of course you don't say what movie it was that you uploaded, so I can't give an opinion on why it was deleted.
If the rules are followed, you won't have to worry about your uploads getting deleted.
Since you have been entrusted with AutoApproval, your uploads bypass staff scrutiny. We usually only see then if we happen to come across it on accident or if someone complains about it and we check it out.
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I never said your movie was/wasn't gay-related. It was a reply to a previous comment (should perhaps have clarified it).
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This torrent is still available in the ModsOnly category to allow members starting the download to finish it.
When i saw it in that section, I was wondering why it is there (no note added to the description or title), but it became more obvious with the report …
When looking to IMdB, "Bob" the gay seems to be an important character. IMdB is givung quite a few "gay" keywords (click "See more" there):
Coming Out
Gay Character
Homosexuality
Male Nudity
Gay Straight Relations
Male Rear Nudity
Gay Clubbut in a long list of other keywords. There is a certain chance that I would approve such upload, but not sure, 50% chance.
So for me this is the type of movie we are always in the dilemma to allow or not
and we have an internal cry for help how to decide.
Believe us, we are not happy about that situation of being unable to clean clear cut gay non gay decisions. I am for example wondering for what the "Spartacus" TV series have their place here. No gays, just male bodies … AFAIK
In addition this seems to be a high budget mainstream production from 19 November 2008 (France), which falls still for a few months under the "Blockbuster" (successful movie for GayThemed niche) rule ... For that i would disapprove it for now.
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A member made the following comment:
Ya i was gonna say… you should make just a complete separate section for movies! that might be pretty sweet to have that within the confines of gaytorrent.... but im guessing thats already been discussed.
That will not happen, this is not a general interest forum and tracker, but well established in the Gay(LBT for Themed Movies) niche. Of course, gays are sharing general interest and to find these, is valid what F00F said:
Non-gay related movies goes on public trackers or other invite-only sites.
I guess every member here knows such tracker and forums/blogs
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If they don't they should learn how to google.
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If they don't they should learn how to google.
Sure, and I think the claimers also should do that.
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I don't want to exacerbate the situation, but this does seem to be pretty unworthy treatment
of a well-behaved uploader by the staff hereI don't know what film is involved, but just read the staff's own assessment:
@Uwe:
When looking to IMdB, "Bob" the gay seems to be an important character.
IMdB is givung quite a few "gay" keywords (click "See more" there):
Coming Out
Gay Character
Homosexuality
Male Nudity
Gay Straight Relations
Male Rear Nudity
Gay Clubbut in a long list of other keywords.
There is a certain chance that I would approve such upload, but not sure, 50% chance.How can any film whose IMdB Plot keywords include
Coming Out & Gay Character & Homosexuality & Gay Straight Relations & Gay Club
NOT be considered sufficiently gay?@Uwe:
Believe us, we are not happy about that situation of being unable to clean clear cut gay non gay decisions.
I am for example wondering for what the "Spartacus" TV series have their place here.
No gays, just male bodies … AFAIKPrecisely!
Then too why, for example, is this torrent allowed?
http://tracker.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=29585NO gay content at all but "loads of straight sex"
(quoted from one of the torrent's 'Comments')Is the nudity of two pretty teenage boys enough to qualify?
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How can any film whose IMdB Plot keywords include
Coming Out & Gay Character & Homosexuality & Gay Straight Relations & Gay Club
NOT be considered sufficiently gay?
....Perhaps, because they are among more than 50 other and the gayness of the character "Bob" is not a substantial element of the movie …
I was concidering to move it back, but please don't forget:
In addition this seems to be a high budget mainstream production from 19 November 2008 (France), which falls still for a few months under the "Blockbuster" (successful movie for GayThemed niche) rule … For that i would disapprove it for now.
As for the movie you linked to, it seems to had got wrongly tagged initially by the French site popular allocinéma.fr > hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0vC0XbEkSc
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The movie in question is RocknRolla.
We (the staff) are slagged off because we have an Auto Approval system, which means things slip past us. We (the staff) are slagged off if we suggest that Auto Approval be ended so things don't slip past us.
As I said earlier in this thread, AA users are posting a lot of stuff that has no business being here. They are violating our trust in them, then bitching at us for correcting the situation they caused.
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As I said earlier in this thread, AA users are posting a lot of stuff that has no business being here. They are violating our trust in them, then bitching at us for correcting the situation they caused.
Please don't let a few bad apple upset the cart. The AA people who made those mistake should have been warn or get their AA privilege revoke (at least temporary). While I don't normally condone dictatorship, this is a private site and not a democracy. As Mods you guys have the power to do what is best for the site. Just use it responsibly and give the person a chance present their case and learn from their mistake.
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Please don't let a few bad apple upset the cart. The AA people who made those mistake should have been warn or get their AA privilege revoke (at least temporary).
...Often AA privilege members are quite upset when we revoke that privilege (which can be re-earned). On the question of an upload being gay enough or not it might just lead to a long polemic without exit: to much grey zone of appreciation. Because of that we don't allow basically Gay Interest movies. We just can't define objective criteria what makes a movie special Gay Interest and isn't just interesting much gays or is of much interest to others, too.
On uploading
bannedstudio torrents (movies or pictures), there is no discussion and prior warning. -
@Uwe:
On the question of an upload being gay enough or not it might just lead to a long polemic without exit:
to much grey zone of appreciation.
Because of that we don't allow basically Gay Interest movies.
We just can't define objective criteria what makes a movie special Gay Interest and isn't just interesting much gays
or is of much interest to others, too.If the staff here were just consistent on this point, it wouldn't cause so much discontent.
When the following torrent was posted
http://tracker.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=117296
I wrote to the staff, saying that it had NO gay content, just some male nudity.
The torrent was still allowed. -
If the staff here were just consistent on this point, it wouldn't cause so much discontent.
I'm sorry, but no matter what we do, people will always bitch at us.
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When the following torrent was posted
http://tracker.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=117296
I wrote to the staff, saying that it had NO gay content, just some male nudity.
The torrent was still allowed.Yes, it was me who decided to leave it on because of what is said on IMDb about this movie and I added to the description.
Surreal tale of a 14 year-old boy who dreams of escaping the loneliness from an unhappy home & sexual abuse (from his mother's boyfriend who is also his school swimming coach). One day his back mysteriously sprouts feathers and he can metaphorically fly away from it all. Written by Len Massaar
If we would take it off, most certainly the uploader or seeders will shout on us, why it wasn't gay enough. Whatever we do with grey zone movies, it will be wrong.
To better appreciate a movie, we would need to have watched it. That is just impossible. Still it would be an individual appreciation.
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@Uwe:
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When the following torrent was posted
http://tracker.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=117296
I wrote to the staff, saying that it had NO gay content, just some male nudity.
The torrent was still allowed.Yes, it was me who decided to leave it on because of what is said on IMDb about this movie and I added to the description.
Surreal tale of a 14 year-old boy who dreams of escaping the loneliness from an unhappy home & sexual abuse (from his mother's boyfriend who is also his school swimming coach). One day his back mysteriously sprouts feathers and he can metaphorically fly away from it all. Written by Len Massaar
If we would take it off, most certainly the uploader or seeders will shout on us, why it wasn't gay enough. Whatever we do with grey zone movies, it will be wrong.
To better appreciate a movie, we would need to have watched it. That is just impossible. Still it would be an individual appreciation.
The "abuse" the boy suffered "from from his mother's boyfriend" was purely physical
There was no sexual content to it
"his mother's boyfriend" is strictly heterosexual and expresses no sexual attraction to the boy
Look at the IMDB "plot keywords" - you will find only Gay Interest & Teenager Nudity & Boy NudityIf a site member takes the time to report a torrent as inappropriate,
why don't you at least have the courtesy to contact that member if there is any doubt about the validity of the objection
The issue is not one of "individual appreciation", it concerns objective criteriaI bought that DVD because it was purported to have gay content
I felt cheated -
I bought that DVD because it was purported to have gay content
I felt cheatedThat's why you are angry.
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You are right to blame us for your Report still not having been handled.
The objective criteria I've used to approve it, is the statement about that movie on IMDb. the individual appreciation is if that is enough as no "gay" or "homosexual" etc. … key words are present (I saw that when approving that torrent and was hesitating, but...)
As being involved as the approver, I have only copied that statement into the description and not further handled that Report.
Remember, we don't got a copy of the movie.
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@Uwe:
On the question of an upload being gay enough or not it might just lead to a long polemic without exit:
to much grey zone of appreciation.
Because of that we don't allow basically Gay Interest movies.
We just can't define objective criteria what makes a movie special Gay Interest and isn't just interesting much gays
or is of much interest to others, too.If the staff here were just consistent on this point, it wouldn't cause so much discontent.
When the following torrent was posted
http://tracker.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=117296
I wrote to the staff, saying that it had NO gay content, just some male nudity.
The torrent was still allowed.And now we have 2 episodes of "Young Soldiers"!
Why???
Again, no response from the staff to a complaint -
I have moved away yesterday the Season 1 Episode 3 for not being Game Themed, which I saw in the torrent list as appearing new.
AFAIK there was no Report made on any "Young Soldiers" torrent …
BTW: Why so aggressive in the tone
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I bought that DVD because it was purported to have gay content
I felt cheatedThat's why you are angry.
hahahahahahahahahaahah :cheers:
as raphjd said…. we cannot be right on everyone. somebody will still find something to complaign...
hey dudes... our team (including me) are no robots!!!!
twinkelsomething: you should better shut your mouth up a little bit, otherwise you may found yourself somewhere else....
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I deleted 2 episodes of "Young Soldiers" the day after the 2nd episode aired in the UK.
I haven't seen any Reports about any more being uploaded.
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