Are yall gay men who support trump
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@blablarg18 As I said, if we actually talked instead of giving speeches we would see most of the rage you feel about politics is not a right wing thing, is more a general feeling.
And we hate Zelensky and the nazis too, he started it all, the nazis are nazis, we don't need to say more.
The only good thing I have to say about Zelensky is that he looks good shirtless.
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@PedrocaWest ......says guy who gives giant speeches.
If you want things to be certain way: Set your example.
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@blablarg18 said in Are yall gay men who support trump:
@PedrocaWest said in Are yall gay men who support trump:
The rest of the world only allow trans teens to have hormone replacement and any surgical body modification after 16 and 18, specifically
Means:
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USA policy is wrong
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To argue against USA policy is right
again, thank you !!!!!!!
you just endorsed what I doUsually the right answer is "US is wrong. Period."
Your elections can be resumed in Wrong vs. Wronger.
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"Layla Jane is a biological female who sought mental health treatment at age 12 for various emotional and behavioral issues. Various Kaiser doctors, rather than give Layla Jane the care she needed, seized on her confusion about her gender and placed her on the “gender affirming care” pipeline with a series of damaging transgender treatments, including off-label puberty and cross-sex hormones. Layla Jane’s doctors removed her breasts when she was just 13 years old."
https://www.dhillonlaw.com/lawsuits/layla-jane-v-kaiser-hospital-foundation-inc/
& then Manchester-Pride douche not only mocks family loss, but, fully informed of family loss, attacks family to their face as "you stupid twat, you stupid piece of shit, why would you care?"
& then @PedrocaWest excuses douche as fair if he's uninformed of family loss - except excuse fails, because right on video, douche was too informed.
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@blablarg18 I've already said in the other topic, if you are talking about trans people:
Proihibiting genital surgeries in underage people, specially intersex infants, this is a big thing both trans and intersex movement advocate and no one never hears them. On the contrary, they accuse them of it
Giving psycological and psychiatric support for gender questioning kids/teens and their parents. Both for them understand everything better, as for them to not mistook feminine boys and tomboys for trans kids and for parent give actual support for their queer kids.
Allowing kids and teens to "live the phase" if this is a phase, allowing them to go through social transition (different clothers, hairstyles and pronous/names, just it) so they can have sure if they are really trans and if it feels right.
Stop criminalizing parents, teachers and doctor who support trans people.
Puberty blockers to gender-questioning pre-teens, so they can mature enough to know better at 16yo or 18yo. This avoids unnecessary or aggresive surgeries and cosmetic procedures. Layla Jane herself would not have undergone a mastectomy if she had been given puberty blockers, as this would have put her breast growth on hold until she was certain whether or not she was trans.
It would even end the "omg, there's a trans woman in women sports" panic, there would be no supposed advantage if the male puberty never occurred.
Also, stronger and neutral studies to proven the real advantages (or not) of trans women in sports, because when people debate they think trans women keep the strength that they had when they were cis men, and thats already something proven wrong in more than a centary of studies with hormonal treatment in cisgender and intersex people. Lia Thomas, that you created a topic just some hours ago, became a big thing when they said she was winning everything, but she losed way more times than she won and had a very unstable record after transition, so people would really be aeare if she had any real advantage in certain swim categories or if it was just a fuss led by prejudice or ignorance.
Aside from all of this, better ways to support adults that realize later that they are trans, Caitlyn Jenner is a anti-trans transgender woman and she realizes she only started transition after 65yo, a lot of people only realize or are free enough to do the transition after they passed their 30s and reached life stability.
Also, the possibility to keep their reproduction rights, because not all trans people have gender dysphoria with their genitals, and some places require them to be neutered to allow full legal transition.
And, of course, stoping the "trans panic laws" that allow people in some US states to kill trans people if they claim that they feel threatened by them.
People usually enter this debate pratically saying "trans people are the devil" or "pronouns will destroy the language" instead of hear them. It's way easier to support, pay attention and give care to avoid mistakes than fighting and criminalizing an entire group. It is only happening because it's not cool anymore hating gays, so they passed to the next letter of our alphabet mafia. And they will keep going to the next letters even if they ended with transness.
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Just to clarify: Layla Jane, & guy's gender-troubled niece who died, are 2 people.
I never said they were same. Both appear to be victims of genderqueer.
But I could have confused details of which traumas happened to precisely which victims. Apologies for any confusion on that level.
Layla Jane lives!
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@PedrocaWest the "trans panic laws" that allow people in some US states to kill trans people if they claim that they feel threatened by them.
Fiction.No such law has been proposed or passed in USA.
Lib "Department of Imaginary Concerns"
If you mean some criminal cases had "trans panic defense" to them - ok - but give specifics. also note, ever-increasing bans on it
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@blablarg18 Oh, ok, I thought she passed away.
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@blablarg18 Oops, I worded that wrong. What I meant is that in a lot of U.S. states, people can still use what’s called the “trans panic” defense in court.
Basically, someone commits violence (often murder), and then says, “I freaked out when I found out they were trans” — and uses that emotional reaction to try to get a lighter sentence, like manslaughter instead of murder. It’s a legal loophole that can make violent acts seem more “understandable” to a jury.
That’s why some states have passed laws to ban that defense entirely. Because it’s been used in real cases. Successfully.
But in most states? It’s still allowed. You can literally argue in court that someone being trans “provoked” you into killing them.
So yeah, not fiction. Not imaginary. Just a messed-up part of the system that’s yet to get fixed.
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@blablarg18 and you agree with me that they should ban "trans panic defense" in all states?
Você é TUGA ou HUE BR?
Do you wanna talk?
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its a fad thing.... fashionable to be contrarian and oh so special loving trump when clearly he is a fools choice. They are all shit. Both sides. The system is fucked until theres a third or more party. Trump was never the actual answer to the problems but a symptom of what a terrible system puked out in one red hat wearing gasbag.
America is fucked till we get more parties.
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@PedrocaWest Yet again, you agree with what I said. Thanks!
@cp2000 Congratulations, you just advocated for America First / MAGA.
Republican-Democrat "Uniparty" is stupid & fucked.... I agree, have said it across thousands of posts.
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@PedrocaWest said in Are yall gay men who support trump:
@blablarg18 and you agree with me that they should ban "trans panic defense" in all states?
Are you saying that trans people should be allowed to lie to their sex partners about what is between their legs?
To me, that's a form of rape.
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We could establish fascist panic defense, an individual was seized by an uncontrolled fit of rage upon discovering that his lover was a pro-Trump transphobic. To me fuck with a closeted trumpist it's a form of rap.
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How pathetic.
Your bullshit example isn't the same as a straight guy having sex with a person he though was a woman, only to have the "woman's" dick fall out of her panties. Likewise, for a gay guy to think he's having sex with a man, only for her to say "eat my pussy" or a lesbian to think she's having sex with another woman, only for him to say "ride my cock".
I know, that's too complicated a concept for liberals to understand.
It's funny how under Obama it became acceptable for women to be able to claim rape for sex they later regretted for whatever reason, but people like you can't understand the concept of rape by omission or deceit.
BTW, real trans people agree that they should be honest with their sex partners. Not surprisingly, only the Queers say it's acceptable to lie about it. Then again, Queers are easy to spot.
Next, you'll claim that sex with little kids is ok, because you hate Trump.
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@raphjd I didn't said it, but you understood it. So your way to read this is the problem, not what I said.
Someone who formerly already knew the person was trans and dated them to do a hate crime could just claim he didn't knew in bad faith, just to avoid a heavier sentence, it was already used in trials lots of times and that why it was banned in a lot of places, the same thing that occurred with "gay panic" defence acts.Sometimes trans people don't have "whats was between their legs" anymore, so the agressor panicked based on a ghost in his head or because they thought it would make them less of a men if they fucked a pussy from someone that was not a woman since birth.
It's not rape to the law, except if the person actually rapes the other one, it can be judged at the most as a sexual fraud and it would be a loooong trial to prove the intention of fraud.
And this becomes way more fucked up if you remember that people says they can always spot who is trans and who's not. So it's a weak or shameless defence strategy.
People forget that even when they are with another person naked in a room they can always say 'I don't wanna do this anymore" and leave. If the other still want it the other person is a jerk and it would become a rape. And it is valid to all cases, not only trans related ones.
You saying it this way make you look like you agree they should beat or murder someone because they panicked. Is that what you think?
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@raphjd Agree. Maybe end "trans panic defense" and "trans lying offense", as related pair.
Self-defense claims are based 1. proportionality, 2. how "average reasonable person" should perceive threat level, BUT, 3. jury allowed to decide both.
If someone gets raped by force, can they kill attacker? Why? or why not? or when? at what point?
If someone is raped by deceit / fraud - When does that crime, and ethically it is crime, rise to level of being raped by force?
Or, as when woman regrets after she fucked like whore: should claim be disallowed - because it is too easy to abuse?
Do we allow tindr / grindr people to lie about age? dick size? income? origins? HIV status?
I don't know. I pose questions.
But gender isn't sex - gender is how you feel & present, while sex is your chromosomes & how you cum.
To lie about your basic sex, does feel worse than lie about your age.
As healthy Gay dude, I never want to date anyone without at least 1 testicle, at least 1 Y choromosome, & prostate & dick both work. Sorry - it's true tho.
I can totally see, if healthy Straight dude feels same way about genuine tits, XX, & ovary / no dick or testicles.
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@blablarg18 I need to say, I like it more when we actually talk instead of we fight based in pre made ideas of each other.
I believe sexual fraud is already a crime in most places, right?
Like you said, proportionality matters.
If a guy goes to Thailand and finds out a lady is a ladyboy, most of the time he’ll just say, “Oh, I thought you were cis, sorry, I’m not into this,” and leave. That’s sexual preference. Plenty of gay and straight men respect trans people but just aren’t into certain bodies, and that’s totally fine. No one should be forced into anything.
Now, if someone is actually raped, and I mean real rape, not “I changed my mind after”, self-defense is justified, even if it ends in death.
But in cases of sexual fraud, that’s something courts can deal with. The person who lied could end up with a criminal record and be forced to pay damages, and the victim gets justice without committing a violent crime.
In cases of deceit or fraud, we’re talking about something very different. It might be hurtful, unethical, even criminal depending on the situation, but it’s not a direct physical threat that justifies a violent response. That’s why we have the legal system. You sue. You file charges. You don’t stab someone.
(and we have some laws about HIV status, people are allowed to hide it, but they are not allowed to pass the IST).
And you're right, it can be tricky. There are gray areas. People lie on dating apps all the time, about age, status, income, even intentions. And yeah, some of that crosses ethical lines, especially if it affects consent. But we don’t condone violence in response to those either. We deal with it through law, not fists. That "something panic" logic has been used to justify beatings and worse. So we need to be really careful not to start recycling it with a new target.
About sex and gender, I get your preferences, and you’re totally entitled to them, I have mine too and I think most of gay have their own even with cis dude, some are into hunks, or into twinks, or into daddies, os tops only, or bottom-only, or have a kink for something ythat is not a general kink.
Also, we need to remember that some cis men with testicles and dicks don’t have a Y chromossome, nature is weird and nobody asks a chromossome testing to anyone except in very specific cases.
And I think you are the first person with a previous transphobic pov who already knew the difference between gender and sex, most of them claim both are the same, that's exausting to keep correcting, thank you for not making me repeat it.
We all agree: no one should ever be pressured to have sex with someone they’re not into. Period.
But that’s not what most of these "trans panic" defenses are about. They’re not about preference, they’re about using someone’s identity as an excuse for dehumanization and crime, and that’s where it turns ugly.
No one's saying lies can't be harmful. But not all harm justifies violence. And not all lies are big lies or harmful (switches that are bottoms are proof of this). The right place to deal actual with deceit, sexual or otherwise, is the justice system. Otherwise we’re justifying chaos.
Você é TUGA ou HUE BR?
Do you wanna talk?
Me adiciona! Bora causar juntos. -
"In the heat of the moment" is a defense or mitigation that can be used. The most common is when a guy comes home and catches his wife fucking another man, so he harms them. I can see that gender fraud could have he same thing.
California ended the law that criminalized the intentional spreading of HIV/AIDS and STDs/STIs without telling the other person. I don't remember his name, but a state-level Senator is pushing to liberalize California's sex laws.
The 1999 movie Boys Don't Cry (true story & Hilary Swank won an Oscar for it) the trans man was accused of fucking the girls, but it was with her fingers or a dildo. She was tortured and killed.
How do you view what she did, since it was physical penetration through fraud. The victim's brother and brother's friend(s) did the torture and killing.
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How about a legal system that prevents rapists from being deported?
How about a legal system that says that a rapist won't go to prison because his culture is different?
How about a legal system where you get more time for a mean social media post than rapists do?
How about a legal system where men who rape women and kids instantly become trans (no transition other than clothes) so they get sent to a women's prison so they have a steady pool of victims?
How about a legal system where 1 religion has many protections, but the rest don't, especially Jewish?
How about a legal system that allows homophobia, transphobia, etc, etc, if based on religious beliefs, but criminalizes hatred of religion if it's based on how the religion treats LGBTs?
This is the UK, but a lot of it applies throughout the west.
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