The site and the new UK Online Safety Laws

twinkerzzz

Just to clarify the UK law regarding torrenting:

The UK porn laws target

Possession of indecent material.
Distribution of material likely to corrupt and deprave.
In terms of torrenting,
The uploader is liable for prosecution for copyright infringement if a case is brought by a copyright owner.
The downloader and seeder may be subject to the 3 notice rule requesting them to stop infringement behaviours by their ISP provider.
For the lay person, it is my view that the police are likely to go after possession and or distribution only if a person comes under their radar. i.e. they'll check their internet footprint for options to evaluate and prosecute someone they regard as a target for investigation.

@raphjd - as a formu mod i find your inacurate extreme rightwing views are not suitable for someone in your role and ask you to abstain from flaming the conversation.

To correct your inaccuracies:

The Snoopers Charter refers to the Investigatory Powers Act 2016, brought in under the Conservative leadership of David Cameron in 2014 in conjunction with the Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation. The bill was voted on and ascended in 2016 and the Labour party abstained from voting along with the SNP party.
There is no obligation to use a paid for ID card to access adult material in the UK. All parties reguarly re-consider all methods of adult material access to protect children as a matter of contemporary politics and many options are under consideration.
The Guardian is not an 'ultra left rag'. It is a long established (over 200 years) centre left broadsheet (social democrat - meaning a long standing and legitmiate democratic leaning) with a reputable standard in reporting and a history of a broad range of contributors from British society.
It won Newspaper of the Year award in March 2023 by the UK Press Association and reguarly wins many press awards.

Please refrain from spreading fake news on this website.

raphjd

@twinkerzzz

As you are clearly an extreme leftist, I don't care what you think and clearly the site owner does not either. If you are unhappy with my political views, I'm sure there are plenty of sites that will make you happy.

The Snooper's Charter was first brought up by Tony Blair. He may not have called it that, but the principle behind it was from him.

True, the paid for ID is not currently a requirement, but it was something that Blair/Brown first brought up.

The Guardian is a ultra left rag, except to those too blinded by their ultra leftism to see it. I don't care what awards they have won by a profession full of ultra leftist. It's just like the PR awards in Ab Fab.

A Former User

@raphjd I didn't mention the UK Labour Party or The Guardian newspaper (I'm aware the article the OP linked to is from there, but I was talking about the actual law, not the newspaper article), the US Democrats, "Trudeau's party" (the Liberal Party fyi), Tony Blair, The Snooper's Charter, or the BBC. None of those have anything to do with the current law. So there is literally nothing of any substance in your post, just strawman arguments and empty rhetoric. I don't believe there is any point engaging in that level of political mud slinging, because it contributes nothing to any political debate. Enjoy the rest of your day.

raphjd

@drekkin

This part of the law seems to be an attempt to pander to the moral outrage brigade who are in a perpetual state of Daily Mail induced panic or rage.

NAH, you weren't getting political.

A Former User

@raphjd I didn't say I wasn't being political. It's a discussion about a law. But what I said was related to the law under discussion. You brought up a whole litany of unrelated people, entities and proposed laws in an attempt to drag the conversation into a left v right mud slinging contest. I'm not from that political culture, and I don\t care to engage with it. If you have anything to add to the conversation, that is actually related to the law under discussion, besides strawman arguments and rhetoric, then please do.

raphjd

@drekkin

 I didn't say I wasn't being political

Honesty is a good step.

But what I said was related to the law under discussion.

Bashed conservatives, while intentionally ignoring the role of liberals in the matter.

You brought up a whole litany of unrelated people, entities and proposed laws

Those things are directly related to the comment you made as it was Tony Blair who stated it all. Therefore it was the liberals you need to bash.

 in an attempt to drag the conversation into a left v right mud slinging contest.

AH, you get to bash conservatives, but I can't show you the truth about your rubbish.

 If you have anything to add to the conversation, that is actually related to the law under discussion, besides strawman arguments and rhetoric, then please do.

What strawman? You admitted that YOU were political, to basn conservatives, while disotrting the truth.

You need to take your own advice and stick to the topic at hand, and leave your BS politics out of it.

Also, there was no strawman from me since you falsely laid the blame on conservatives and I pointed out that ou were wrong.

If you want to fanatize that conservatives are the root of all evil then take it to the politics section.

twinkerzzz

@raphjd

Your own rules you have devised yourself state:
"Derailing conversations, to complain about topics or individual posters, is not allowed. If your post adds no value to the overall conversation, it will be treated like spam."

The sites own rules discourage "Inflammatory comments or disruptive behavior anywhere on this site"

Pawpcorn, a mod who i have worked with previously gives some good advice on anger management here:
https://community.gaytor.rent/topic/37058/anger-management-when-leaving-comments-in-torrent-presentations

It's a shame you seem to think none of this applies to you and you have in effect muddied this thread. I'm sorry about that.

blablarg18

@twinkerzzz But your own post there is off-topic & without worth. The more so since your anger is misplaced; somebody else started the inflammatory stuff.

A Former User

@raphjd Criticising one law and the newspaper which has championed it is not "bashing conservatives". It was literally a criticism of the law in the title of the thread! You have made a grossly incorrect assumption about me and my politics based on this single comment. This particular law happens to have been passed by a rightwing government, had it been passed by a leftwing government and promoted by virtue signallers at The Guardian newspaper I would have been equally critical of it. A bad law is a bad law regardless of who passed it. There is no need to take such criticism so personally as an attack on your personal beliefs.

The whole world is not a toxic left v right, us v them contest like you seem to see it. Like I said, I come from a different political culture and this pointless trench warfare is something which adds literally nothing to political discourse.

BTW What you did is the epitome of a strawman argument. You brought up negative things done by someone else to draw attention away from the issue at hand. As a forum admin I thought you would at least be able to grasp that basic concept.

raphjd

@twinkerzzz

The person who admitted to bringing politics into the thread is the person who derailed it, with said politics.

This is not the politics section.

A Former User

@raphjd It's a political topic. Move it to the politics section. You're an admin

raphjd

@drekkin

I will not play your games.

You brought in your politics. You even admit that.

There was no strawman by me, since I was simply correcting your political falsehoods.

The whole world is not a toxic left v right, us v them contest like you seem to see it. Like I said, I come from a different political culture and this pointless trench warfare is something which adds literally nothing to political discourse.

That sounds like a bunch of BS considering you didn't need to bring politics into this discussion, but you chose to.

BTW What you did is the epitome of a strawman argument. You brought up negative things done by someone else to draw attention away from the issue at hand. As a forum admin I thought you would at least be able to grasp that basic concept.

You clearly don't even know what the term "strawman" means.

Me correcting your politically motivated lie, to bash conservatives, is not anywhere close to the definition.

This part of the law seems to be an attempt to pander to the moral outrage brigade who are in a perpetual state of Daily Mail induced panic or rage. Its only impact will be to annoy adults who are trying to do something perfectly legal.

That is what YOU said.

You fully intended to do the us vs them, you dishonestly claimed to be against, otherwise you would not have done it.

DO NOT try to gaslight us that, that was not your intent.

Hell, you even admitted you made it political, so you knew what you were doing. Now you are butt hurt because I'm not letting you get away with it.

raphjd

@drekkin said in The site and the new UK Online Safety Laws:

@raphjd It's a political topic. Move it to the politics section. You're an admin

You made it political, when there was no reason for it.

I should give you a vacation, for that stunt.

twinkerzzz

As the forum mod it's the mod's responsbility to 'treat the off topic contributions as spam' which one presumes means removing it so as to keep the conversation on point; not increasing off topic materal to an inflammatry level.

I note Powpcorn's comments about providing an apology when you've flammed a post.

raphjd

@twinkerzzz

Sorry but Pawcorn is not here any more. Nor was he in charge of the forums.

Also, do not tell me how to the the job I've done for 17 years.

A Former User

@raphjd You're like a parody at this stage. You're so blinded with rage you can't understand what I'm saying and continue to rant at me because you think I'm a leftist

Thanks for the laughs. I'm taking a self imposed holiday. I suggest you take a few breaths and look at the wider world and perhaps release some of the rage at another target.

"Forum administrator" hahaha

raphjd

If anyone else wants to join him on his vacation, just let me know.