Detransitioner speaks

blablarg18

@raphjd Cool.

As to this @hubrys garbage remark:

World Professional Association for Transgender Health said evidence of later regret is scant

That's the Lysenko-ism I mentioned somewhere, the biased & political "science".

In the real world: Trans suicide rates either stay equal, OR GO UP, post-surgery.

Also known as widespread & extreme regret.

hubrys

@blablarg18 said in Detransitioner speaks:

In the real world: Trans suicide rates either stay equal, OR GO UP, post-surgery.
Also known as widespread & extreme regret.

Where's your statistics on that? Or do you think, just because it agrees with your philosophy, that it must be true?

blablarg18

@hubrys Hey lazybones. Start by reflecting on the fact that so-called "sex change" or "sex reassignment" surgery does not actually change or reassign anything - it only removes, slices & dices.

Then: Learn to use a search engine.

I did both.

And you must remove the wax from your own ears. I can't. Because we both know you'd never let me.

PS ur a lawyer, right? Just as there's now huge money in getting people to transition, there's about to be (next few years) huge money in the lawsuits afterward. Get in early.

hubrys

@blablarg18

New Study Shows Transgender People Who Receive Gender-Affirming Surgery Are Significantly Less Likely To Experience Psychological Distress Or Suicidal Ideation

The study, titled “Association Between Gender-Affirming Surgeries and Mental Health Outcomes,” compared the psychological distress, substance use, and suicide risk of 3,559 transgender people who had undergone gender-affirming surgery with those of 16,401 transgender people who desired gender-affirming surgery but had not yet undergone any. It found that transgender people who had received one or more gender-affirming surgical procedures had a 42% reduction in the odds of experiencing past-month psychological distress, a 35% reduction in the odds of past-year tobacco smoking, and a 44% reduction in the odds of past-year suicidal ideation.

blablarg18

@hubrys As I've explained elsewhere, Trans so-called "science" is famously, FAMOUSLY, politicized, biased, whitewashed.

We learned from covid that even JAMA does bad "science" & deserves doubt.

So please take your fake Lysenko-ist study & cram it.

FTM Matt Rey: "I have experienced side effects...that I would not wish on my worst enemy...that even doctors were not knowledgeable enough to tell me about."

https://twitter.com/itsmattrey/status/1625309584880717824

"Trying to be happy whilst living with this regret is a constant struggle. My body spasms have become more frequent. I wish I never fell for the lies of 'gender affirming care' I wish all of this pain would stop.
These monsters medicalizing kids deserve to rot behind bars."

https://twitter.com/itsmattrey/status/1653777419323703296

That regret does not sound "scant" to me.

Or what about Kayleigh Scott?

https://thepostmillennial.com/trans-flight-attendent-dead-from-suicide-after-being-featured-in-united-airlines-ad

Sounds like suicidal ideation.

Kayleigh Scott - Say her name, @hubrys !

Say her name!

While you're at it, tell me - is the following a Genuine Man(tm)?
Or example of extreme self-harm?

(Note: Picture was taken in public and, under rules for shirtless MEN in public, is acceptable worldwide. Twitter allowed it - and, I believe, did not even 'warn' it.)

With exceptions - Exceptions for genuine intersex, XXY, hermaphrodite etc. -
Those proper exceptions aside, the majority of Trans surgeries today are examples in and of themselves of self-hate and, you could say, self-murder.

OF COURSE the person is going to regret them - Later on, to the extent their mental health improves. And to the extent that someone asks them honestly.

Mental health issues - like Gender Dysphoria, Body Dysmorphia, anorexia, self-cutting, etc. - are not cured by surgery.

Western society, with Trans surgeries booming, is about to learn all this in hard way.

hubrys

@blablarg18 said in Detransitioner speaks:

As I've explained elsewhere, Trans so-called "science" is famously, FAMOUSLY, politicized, biased, whitewashed.

So, what I'm reading is that you reject modern statistical science, and instead think we should rely on cherry-picked anecdotal science. I see...you're a moron then? Well, that's cleared up then.

raphjd

@hubrys

Is that the same science that said that the covid vaxx PREVENTS us fro catching and spreading covid?

Is that the same science that said that masks work?

Is that the same science that said that lockdowns work?

Is that the same science that said we would be currently living in the planet's worst-ever ice age and all the other predictions about the climate?

Science lies for political motives.

NARF lied because they're were homophobes and others lie for their political goals.

blablarg18

@raphjd "Science lies for political motives" - And financial even more.

But libs call that "modern"! Libs approve.

@hubrys Look at the pic again.

Can you see the obvious - using your own eyes, forgetting ur lib ideology 1 minute - that it's a pic of extreme self-harm?

PS. I'll post studies when I think you're capable of hearing them.

Already explained to you that, at present, I think you're not.

Right now, you can't even look at a pic of self-harm - something any mentally healthy person would regret - and see the self-harm.

blablarg18

@hubrys PPS. Be glad it wasn't a pic of, say, a girl's forearm being "harvested" ie. cut to the bone for tissues to fashion her a non-penis that will never deliver cum to any gay guy's holes.

raphjd

@blablarg18

blablarg18

@raphjd Yes. Was afraid to post it.

Countless real people have -horrible- experiences with Trans surgery a.k.a. medical mutilation..... and the lib goes "That's anecdotal! And no reason to keep it from kids! And the regret is scant!"

And even the "lawyer" in him won't spot his business opportunity.

Spintendo

@blablarg18 said in Detransitioner speaks:

As I've explained elsewhere, Trans so-called "science" is famously, FAMOUSLY, politicized, biased, whitewashed.

That sounds a lot like "shoot the messenger" to me. Where is your evidence that it is "famously politicized biased and whitewashed"? Postmillenial.com?

I see with your link to them, youve decided to help bankroll the good people of Macedonia as well. Good for you! With any luck the admins of that site will be able to build their new 3,000sq ft home in Veles.

Spintendo

No wait, my bad, that was resist the mainstream.com that bankrolls Macedonia. Post millennial.com was the one with the 30-year-old information.

Spintendo

@blablarg18

Here are 16 studies which show where gender transitioning care led to better mental health outcomes. Are all these medical publications wrong? And if they are wrong, where is your evidence that they're wrong?

De Vries, A. L., Steensma, T. D., Doreleijers, T. A., & Cohen‐Kettenis, P. T. (2011). Puberty suppression in adolescents with gender identity disorder: A prospective follow‐up study. The Journal of Sexual Medicine, 8(8), 2276-2283.
De Vries, A. L., McGuire, J. K., Steensma, T. D., Wagenaar, E. C., Doreleijers, T. A., & Cohen-Kettenis, P. T. (2014). Young adult psychological outcome after puberty suppression and gender reassignment. Pediatrics, 134(4), 696-704.
Costa, R., Dunsford, M., Skagerberg, E., Holt, V., Carmichael, P., & Colizzi, M. (2015). Psychological support, puberty suppression, and psychosocial functioning in adolescents with gender dysphoria. The Journal of Sexual Medicine, 12(11), 2206-2214.
Allen, L. R., Watson, L. B., Egan, A. M., & Moser, C. N. (2019). Well-being and suicidality among transgender youth after gender-affirming hormones. Clinical Practice in Pediatric Psychology, 7(3), 302.
Kaltiala, R., Heino, E., Työläjärvi, M., & Suomalainen, L. (2020). Adolescent development and psychosocial functioning after starting cross-sex hormones for gender dysphoria. Nordic Journal of Psychiatry, 74(3), 213-219.
de Lara, D. L., Rodríguez, O. P., Flores, I. C., Masa, J. L. P., Campos-Muñoz, L., Hernández, M. C., & Amador, J. T. R. (2020). Psychosocial assessment in transgender adolescents. Anales de Pediatría (English Edition), 93(1), 41-48.
van der Miesen, A. I., Steensma, T. D., de Vries, A. L., Bos, H., & Popma, A. (2020). Psychological functioning in transgender adolescents before and after gender-affirmative care compared with cisgender general population peers. Journal of Adolescent Health, 66(6), 699-704.
Achille, C., Taggart, T., Eaton, N. R., Osipoff, J., Tafuri, K., Lane, A., & Wilson, T. A. (2020). Longitudinal impact of gender-affirming endocrine intervention on the mental health and well-being of transgender youths: preliminary results. International Journal of Pediatric Endocrinology, 2020(1), 1-5.
Kuper, L. E., Stewart, S., Preston, S., Lau, M., & Lopez, X. (2020). Body dissatisfaction and mental health outcomes of youth on gender-affirming hormone therapy. Pediatrics, 145(4).
Turban, J. L., King, D., Carswell, J. M., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2020). Pubertal suppression for transgender youth and risk of suicidal ideation. Pediatrics, 145(2).
Carmichael, P., Butler, G., Masic, U., Cole, T. J., De Stavola, B. L., Davidson, S., ... & Viner, R. M. (2021). Short-term outcomes of pubertal suppression in a selected cohort of 12 to 15 year old young people with persistent gender dysphoria in the UK. PLoS One, 16(2), e0243894.
Grannis, C., Leibowitz, S. F., Gahn, S., Nahata, L., Morningstar, M., Mattson, W. I., ... & Nelson, E. E. (2021). Testosterone treatment, internalizing symptoms, and body image dissatisfaction in transgender boys. Psychoneuroendocrinology, 132, 105358.
Hisle-Gorman, E., Schvey, N. A., Adirim, T. A., Rayne, A. K., Susi, A., Roberts, T. A., & Klein, D. A. (2021). Mental healthcare utilization of transgender youth before and after affirming treatment. The Journal of Sexual Medicine, 18(8), 1444-1454.
Green, A. E., DeChants, J. P., Price, M. N., & Davis, C. K. (2021). Association of gender-affirming hormone therapy with depression, thoughts of suicide, and attempted suicide among transgender and nonbinary youth. Journal of Adolescent Health.
Turban, J. L., King, D., Kobe, J., Reisner, S. L., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2022). Access to gender-affirming hormones during adolescence and mental health outcomes among transgender adults. PLoS One, 17(1), e0261039.
Tordoff, D. M., Wanta, J. W., Collin, A., Stephney, C., Inwards-Breland, D. J., Ahrens, K. (2022) Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care. JAMA Network Open, 5(2), e220978.

raphjd

@Spintendo

You're still a whiny sniveling bitch and a racist.

frostycab

@raphjd said in Detransitioner speaks:

@Spintendo

You're still a whiny sniveling bitch and a racist.

I'm sorry, but this goes way beyond the point of the "polite disagreement" you yourself wrote into the rules for this sub-forum. I realise that you've posted this as a personal comment and not as a mod, but I think this really crosses the line.

"If you want to call your "enemy" a cunt or the like, take it elsewhere."

raphjd

@frostycab

I'm sure you have seen my post about repeatedly derailing topics, as well.

He is clearly a racist from his repeated posts about the people of Macedonia and he is a sniveling whiny bitch in that he keeps posting about the links I provide when he can google the topic if he hates the source and/or the people of Macedonia so much.

He refuses to discuss any topic.

His posts are only to attack the source, in a racist rant.

blablarg18

@Spintendo You defended Big Pharma, Big Hospital, Big Trans with the "cloud of words" that left-wing philosophers say is how Power deceives The People.

Congratulations.

Also congrats for misunderstanding my point in another thread, about Shoot The Messenger.

Suppose I (messenger) say "It's raining" (content).

The fact that I (messenger) said it, has -no bearing- on whether it (content) is true.

Either it's raining or it isn't. Horrible as you may find me, -I am irrelevant- as to whether it's raining in fact.

Of course, if topic is cookie recipes, my content "It's raining" is itself irrelevant even if it is factual.

So question is NEVER "Where did content come from", but always 2,

is content factual
is content on-topic

Now suppose I (messenger) say "Trans lobby typically suppresses countervailing evidence by terrorizing any scientists who might generate or spread it, leading to a cascade of bad pro-Trans 'studies' in public discussion." (content).

Again: The 2 questions are

is content factual
is content on topic

When we're discussing cookie recipes and you say "The one from NY Post was funded by Macedonians!!", you're saying something irrelevant - even if factual.

When we're discussing Trans and I mention how systemically one-sided Trans "science" is, I'm saying something very on topic. ONLY REMAINING question is, whether my statement was factual.

See the difference?

Shooting The Messenger is: attacking a messenger / source of content -for reasons so off topic, they obscure- what the topic & content even are.

And that's its purpose, no? People who do it are hand-waving, saying "Don't look there, look here!"

Like when Hillary was caught keeping 30,000 classified documents in her bathroom server, cheating Bernie Sanders out of his delegate wins & destroying evidence - so yall libs said "Russssshiiaaa!"

Like that.

Yall da queens. Can't touch ur crowns.

Back on topic:

blablarg18

@raphjd more -

https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1654767087259197440

"This is a girl’s forearm. Her muscles have been farmed to create a fake phallus that doesn’t function. They will try to make her a fake urethra. She’ll probably be incontinent, she will certainly never function like a man. And her muscles won’t grow back."

raphjd