Biden to spend $30mil on crack pipe distribution

raphjd

My guess is that HHS changed its minds after it became public.

But again, there is no rehab anywhere in the program.

As a side note, Snopes isn't always the most honest fact-checker. On their own, they have had scandals about fact checks and Facebook had labeled their 120 fact-checkers (including Snopes) as opinion, not fact in the lawsuit I post about not long ago.

hubrys

I think the saddest part of all of this is all of the crack users that could have been helped by this program that will not receive that help. Glass pipes (expensive) help prevent lip burns which contribute to the spread of HIV and hepatitis amongst crack users. Plastic or metal pipes can cause irreparable damage to crack users' lungs.

One can take the position that we shouldn't be helping a drug user take drugs, but that's ignorant and not the position taken by the actual experts in harm reduction. Even the commission created by President Trump came back with a recommendation to distribute safe drug syringes to prevent disease spread.

Keeping a drug user from contracting HIV while they're using drugs isn't the government enabling their vice. What it means is one less person living with a lifetime of HIV after they get clean.

bi4smooth

@hubrys said in Biden to spend $30mil on crack pipe distribution:

I think the saddest part of all of this is all of the crack users that could have been helped by this program that will not receive that help. Glass pipes (expensive) help prevent lip burns which contribute to the spread of HIV and hepatitis amongst crack users. Plastic or metal pipes can cause irreparable damage to crack users' lungs.

One can take the position that we shouldn't be helping a drug user take drugs, but that's ignorant and not the position taken by the actual experts in harm reduction. Even the commission created by President Trump came back with a recommendation to distribute safe drug syringes to prevent disease spread.

Keeping a drug user from contracting HIV while they're using drugs isn't the government enabling their vice. What it means is one less person living with a lifetime of HIV after they get clean.

@hubrys you miss the point.

To our ~~conservative~~ Trumpite bretheren here, drug users are irredeemable leeches on society. Our tax dollars should not be spent on giving them anything - not food, not shelter, and certainly not a safer way to use!

The real conundrum for them are the babies of crackheads! You see, there is no expense too great to save the life of the unborn, but as soon as that meth or heroin addicted little thing is born, why they're worthless scum that should be allowed (encouraged, even) to die to save us taxpayers from having to support them!

Hyperbolic? That WAS the intention - but sadly, it really more of a slight exaggeration than true hyperbole.... truly sadly....

raphjd

@hubrys

Even my 4 formerly drug-addicted cousins are furious that this program has absolutely no money for rehab.

If we can pay for gender studies in Pakistan, then we can help our own people. Of course, Pelosi Repubs like @bi4smooth will blindly defend anything the DNC does. His extreme TDS is evident in the fact that he can't make a post without mentioning Trump.

hubrys

@raphjd said in Biden to spend $30mil on crack pipe distribution:

Even my 4 formerly drug-addicted cousins are furious that this program has absolutely no money for rehab.

Why would it have funding for rehab? That wasn't the purpose of this specific block grant proposal. That's like saying "How dare the military's funding for the manufacturing of this jet not include money for troop housing!" Paying for jets and paying for troop housing are two different expenditures. Here, harm reduction and rehabilitation are two different expenditures.

Your complaints are ignorant and nonsensical. You are REACHING to try to find something wrong here.

raphjd

@hubrys

AH, because I want there to be funding for rehab, you call me ignorant and nonsensical.

It's funny that you are angrier at me than you are at HHS for removing the crackpipes from the smoking kits.

Liberals, including Pelosi Repubs, have no problem with funding gender studies in Pakistan while having no money for rehab for our own people.

bi4smooth

@raphjd said in Biden to spend $30mil on crack pipe distribution:

@hubrys

AH, because I want there to be funding for rehab, you call me ignorant and nonsensical.

It's funny that you are angrier at me than you are at HHS for removing the crackpipes from the smoking kits.

Liberals, including Pelosi Repubs, have no problem with funding gender studies in Pakistan while having no money for rehab for our own people.

So now we have the real issue
We (the US Gov't) is apparently paying for some kind of gender study in Pakistan. Anything and everything else we fund that @raphjd finds the least bit objectionable or excessive will now be compared to "gender study in Pakistan"

Even Forbes (no fan of Dems or Joe Biden) says this claim is nonsense! But curiously, they DO trace it's origin to a Russian troll farm and an obscure gay porno site (unnamed in the article)... Read for yourself

raphjd

@bi4smooth

Let's face it, you love liberal spending programs in faraway countries because the money isn't spent on Americans, because you and your ilk are all about America Last.

I also know you are a total idiot, and can't figure out that my point was, if we can fund shit like gender studies in Pakistan, then we should have enough money for our own people.

Why is Forbes defining what "safer smoking kits" are? Are they HHS?

Also;

Therefore, yes one could interpret funding “safe smoking kits/supplies” as potentially funding “crack pipes.” But context matters. And many of the “crack pipe” claims on social media didn’t really include the harm reduction context.

The article is quite preachy, but it does admit that free crack pipes "potentially" could be included.

Also, I checked out the author and he's a lefty. Funny, that.

dadesnine

@raphjd
Rehab has been privatized and it is a lucrative industry@ Throw someone in rehab, exhaust their deductable and simply, funnel the addict into a 12 step cult rife with sexual predators (old slimers) looking to groom young and vulnerable members. Most leave rehab, the recidivism rate is perverse, however the failure to help treat addiction by the 12 step model guarantees multiple visits to these glorified spas. Look into SMART and Rational Recovery. I don't want any of my money going into the coifers of the 12 step machine, I'd rather it go toward fentanyl test strips and needle exchange. This crack pipe hogwash is hyperbole. This service is simply a continuation of harm reduction that started in the 80's to try and quell the AIDS epidemic. The only thing these (most likely volunteer) organizations will be handing out junkies that they haven't already been providing for years is the NARCAN inhaler.

raphjd

@dadesnine

If it's just the same old worn-out system that we've used since the 80s, then now with the crackhead crazy spending the Dems are doing, you'd figure they'd do a lot more with it.

dadesnine

@raphjd
The do nothing dems, the racist republicans and the rest are all still hunting for q drops. What a time to be living.

bi4smooth

@dadesnine said in Biden to spend $30mil on crack pipe distribution:

@raphjd
The do nothing dems, the racist republicans and the rest are all still hunting for q drops. What a time to be living.

The Democrats are (thankfully) powerless - with their slim majorities, then have to water down virtually every possible proposal to win over every possible Democrat - because the Republicans are truly united in opposition.

I always find it hilarious when @raphjd and other Trumpites talk about how well organized and "loyal" Democrats are to their leaders! Hogwash! Leading democrats is like herding cats - and some of them are rabid!

I don't mind this fact - it means that "when its their turn" (and it will always be either their turn now, or again at some time in the near future - that's the nature of American politics! The same can be said of Republicans - it may not be our time NOW, but our time is coming again! Count on it! Just as surely as we regain power, we'll lose it again, too!)

So @raphjd has gone from "Biden is going to spend $30million on crack pipes" to "Some of that money could be spent on crack pipes"... as-if those were synonymous...

Typical...

raphjd

@bi4smooth

Your leftist "proof" even said it could be.

bi4smooth

@raphjd said in Biden to spend $30mil on crack pipe distribution:

@bi4smooth

Your leftist "proof" even said it could be.

Are you drunk today? High? On anti-psychotic drugs?

Saying that "Biden is going to spend $30 million on crack pipes" is not the same as "some of a $30 million grant might be spent on crack pipes for drug addicts"

You really do believe your hyperbolic "much ado about nothing" rant is justified because they "could potentially" purchase crack pipes? What about all that Gov't money spent on free condoms?

What about all that Gov't money spend on home COVID-19 test kits? (Want to know how stupid that is? My household - with 6 people living here - got 4 test kits. My son's household - with 1 person living there - got 4 test kits.)

raphjd

@bi4smooth

Blah, blah, blah

Even your leftist "proof" said it could be. That is akin to admitting it's true.

bi4smooth

@raphjd said in Biden to spend $30mil on crack pipe distribution:

@bi4smooth

Blah, blah, blah

Even your leftist "proof" said it could be. That is akin to admitting it's true.

You're right - you could shoot 35 schoolchildren with that new gun of yours, so let's just arrest you for the murders NOW to avoid all the bloodshed.

You're such a moron about these things...

raphjd

@bi4smooth

Well, you are saying it's untrue, even though your leftist source says the program could allow it.

bi4smooth

@raphjd said in Biden to spend $30mil on crack pipe distribution:

@bi4smooth

Well, you are saying it's untrue, even though your leftist source says the program could allow it.

You butt-head... I'm saying your hyperbolic news feed is harping on a potential use of a block grant of funds, and passing it off as though it was the sole purpose of the funds!

It's like looking at the $700 billion (non-BlackOps) Pentagon budget, seeing that they're purchasing portable latrines, and then claiming the Pentagon is spending $700 billion dollars on new latrines!

Could some of that $30 million be used to buy drug paraphernalia (like better crack pipes)? Yes!
Is that the intent of the block grant? No
Is that a focus of the block grant? No
They are likely to also purchase condoms and needles (to prevent the spread of HIV among drug users - esp IV drug users)... where's your outcry that they're spending $30 million on condoms?

OH! That's right - it's not as "click bait"-ish!

You're such a tool of the anti-American Right...

raphjd

@bi4smooth

"Anti-American right"

That says everything about you.