Our President called for the deaths of five innocent black teens
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Obama and Clinton pardoned domestic terrorists.
On the grand scale of things, which is worse; a belief that 4 people are guilty or pardoning a large number of domestic terrorists?
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In all fairness to Frederick and Trump, the NYC police and Mayor Bloomberg refused to settle the case for 12 years because they asserted that the five must have been accomplices to the original crime. They certainly were not upstanding members of the community, but they were jailed for a crime they did not commit. For those of you who are fans of the death penalty, they might have been executed before they were exonerated, which would have been a real tragedy
There should be no death penalty..
It is cheaper to keep them in prison than to execute them.
There have been a LOT of mistakes made in which a person was executed and later found to be not guilty.
The judicial system is far too corrupt and faulty to be making such decisions.
It's barbaric and medieval.In fact, any penalty that is extremely severe - such as life in prison, or execution - creates more crime because instead of raping someone, kidnapping someone, or committing a burglary and letting the victim go free.. they wind up killing the victim so that the witness is silenced. Believe it or not, the purpose of incarceration in the USA is supposed to be rehabilitation, not punishment. It is punishment, but that is not it's stated intent.
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In all fairness to Frederick and Trump, the NYC police and Mayor Bloomberg refused to settle the case for 12 years because they asserted that the five must have been accomplices to the original crime. They certainly were not upstanding members of the community, but they were jailed for a crime they did not commit. For those of you who are fans of the death penalty, they might have been executed before they were exonerated, which would have been a real tragedy
The president still holds the belief that they should be executed to this day. He has not walked back his position and last year, he doubled-down on it. Election or not, he is on the record calling for the execution of five innocent Americans. He has the backing of our current Attorney General. Once again, this is indefensible. Am I missing something? Did he walk back his statements or even apologize for currently holding the belief? How is it okay for a sitting U.S. president to call for the executions of people who were exonerated? What happens if he decides to collude with some hate group or makes a top secret order to have those men killed? This president has no credibility whatsoever and he is loyal to no one, not even himself. This is quite scary. If anything happens to any of those men, he should be the prime suspect since he's on the record calling for their deaths.
It's heartwarming how you stick up for those five shit stains in NYC in a 28 year old crime. You think it's a good idea to hand over $41 million to 5 thugs.. great.
As for "doubling down", let's talk about a much more recent case of someone "doubling down" which has resulted in the deaths of several million innocent people. Your heroine.. Hillary Clinton.. in the 3rd and final presidential debate in 2016, doubled down on her support of guilt-free, taxpayer subsidized, abortions on demand, of babies in the THIRD trimester, which would have survived if a c-section was done, up until the very day of delivery. I would say that anybody who believes in a heaven and a hell, earned themselves a one-way ticket to hell if they voted for Hellary.
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Obama and Clinton pardoned domestic terrorists.
On the grand scale of things, which is worse; a belief that 4 people are guilty or pardoning a large number of domestic terrorists?
Are you talking about Oscar Lopez Rivera (I lived i Puerto Rico for 8 years, so I am quite familiar with his crimes) who already served 35 years of a 55 year sentence? And Clinton's FALN Commutation of 1999 for those that had served 20 years.
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I knew this would happen, 100% deflection and severely :ot: Well, at least my point was proven; the president is indefensible and no one has defended him for wanting five innocent men executed before and after they were exonerated. Instead of defending the president's disgusting comments and actions, there has been a huge deflection to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and for some reason, abortion. Where in any of my initial or proceeding comments did I mention Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton or abortion? Why was domestic terrorism brought into this discussion? Can anyone please give a straightforward answer to why our president currently wants five innocent men in this country dead for something they did not do?
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As for "doubling down", let's talk about a much more recent case of someone "doubling down" which has resulted in the deaths of several million innocent people. Your heroine.. Hillary Clinton.. in the 3rd and final presidential debate in 2016, doubled down on her support of guilt-free, taxpayer subsidized, abortions on demand, of babies in the THIRD trimester, which would have survived if a c-section was done, up until the very day of delivery. I would say that anybody who believes in a heaven and a hell, earned themselves a one-way ticket to hell if they voted for Hellary.
You accept without question whatever Trump feeds you like a sub gobbling up his master's cum.
Trump misstated Hillary's position on late-term abortions:
" Clinton’s position on abortion is that it should be legal and accessibility should be in line with Roe v. Wade, which guaranteed a woman’s right to procedure up until the fetus is viable, another murky term, as viability can vary among pregnancies, but is generally understood to be between 24 and 28 weeks. It also said that any restrictions to post-viability abortions should include exemptions for women’s health.
In the past, Clinton has suggested she would be open to late-term abortion restrictions."
Some stats:
Only 1.3 percent of abortions occur at the 21st week or later, according to the Guttmacher Institute, and only 16 percent of abortion providers offer the procedure through the 24th week.I, too, personally oppose abortion at any time on moral and religious grounds I think everything should be done to avoid them. But that does not mean they should be illegal. The Supreme Court has already ruled.
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You're butt hurt because Trump thought they should be executed before they were exonerated, after they confessed?
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You're butt hurt because Trump thought they should be executed before they were exonerated, after they confessed?
Raphjd, he still currently holds the belief that they should be executed AFTER they were exonerated. YEARS AFTER. He is on the record saying he still wants them dead because they are guilty. He wants innocent men dead for something they did not do and have been proven to have not done. Further, he called their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." Yes, I personally hold him responsible for calling for their deaths prior to them being exonerated; however, that can be defended because they did confess to something they didn't do whether it was by coercion or manipulation by the police, they confessed. However, our president CONTINUES to believe they should be executed KNOWING that they have been exonerated and he's calling the settlement a "disgrace." Can you provide me with evidence that (a) those five men are without a doubt CURRENTLY guilty of that crime or (b) the president has walked back the disgusting statements he's made AFTER they were exonerated? The stuff he said BEFORE they were exonerated was also disgusting but that's not the big problem here. The big problem is that he's still calling for their deaths. This is disgusting and I will keep saying it's indefensible because it truly is indefensible.
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Notice in this thread I have not called those who oppose me derogatory names. I've called the president's words disgusting because they are disgusting, but I have not personally called those who support his opinion on these five innocent men disgusting. I'm not calling those who support him on this issue disgusting because there could be a million reasons why you support him on this; however, you need to define those reasons instead of deflecting to other things wholly unrelated to this topic. So far, this thread has been largely civil but please refrain from making flaming personal statements such as calling me "butt hurt" and also refrain from major deflections. It is clear what this thread is about and if you cannot make an argument for what our president stands for then you are not here to have an open and honest discussion. I still want more civil discussions like this one but we can't get there unless we all take it seriously and call out bad actors on here when we see them.
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We are fighting a loosing battle. People who talk like this in an online forum are venting in a way that would be socially unacceptable in real life. They get ot off their chest by doing it here. I think we need to pick our battles in this regard.
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RoyalCrown89
Well, at least my point was proven; the president is indefensible and no one has defended him for wanting five innocent men executed before and after they were exonerated.
Read the bit I bolded.
Now go back and read my previous comment again.
Wanting self confessed criminals to be punished is normal, for normal people.
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RoyalCrown89
Well, at least my point was proven; the president is indefensible and no one has defended him for wanting five innocent men executed before and after they were exonerated.
Read the bit I bolded.
Now go back and read my previous comment again.
Wanting self confessed criminals to be punished is normal, for normal people.
Although criminals who confess are rarely executed unless they have very bad lawyers. Case in point is the Bucks County man who confessed to four murders this week as long as the death penalty was taken off the table. Only blatant disregard for the criminal justice system can explain advocating for the death penalty for those whose convictions have been vacated by the court.
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Not the argument I made.
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You're butt hurt because Trump thought they should be executed before they were exonerated, after they confessed?
There was no death penalty in New York when Trump argued for it. That's enough for me to get "butt hurt."
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The President of the United States still believes the Central Park Five–-5 exonerated men who spent years in prison for a crime they did not commit as teenagers---deserve to be executed and has continuously called their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." This is disgusting and indefensible. There is a new documentary film being made about this situation and it will focus on the president's continuing fight against these five innocent men. The current Attorney General backs up this disgusting opinion by our president. How can anyone support the condemnation of innocent men who were wrongfully convicted for a crime they had absolutely nothing to do with? #45's supporters want us to view him as an honorable man and someone deserving of the presidency, yet he supports the idea that five innocent men should be executed or imprisoned for life for something they did not do. Further, he calls their wrongful conviction settlement a "disgrace." They were wrongfully convicted and lost years of their lives because of a wrongful conviction. Forensic evidence has exonerated them. Why does our president and his Attorney General believe otherwise and will they do something to harm the lives of these five innocent men?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/06/politics/reality-check-donald-trump-central-park-5/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/21/donald-trump-central-park-5_n_5517784.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/08/donald-trumps-doubling-down-on-the-central-park-five-reflects-a-bigger-problem/
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/donald-trump-central-park-settlement-disgrace-article-1.1838467
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/sen-sessions-praises-donald-trump-central-park-5-controversy-article-1.2756902
http://uproxx.com/news/donald-trump-central-park-five/GOD DAMN. SHUT THE FUCK UP. I SHOULD TOTALLY SUE YOU FOR YOUR FRAUDULENT STATEMENT HERE.
Over the top language; "shut the fuck up". -
I'm really inclined to send your fraudulent statement to a lawyer for review. You're sick.
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You're butt hurt because Trump thought they should be executed before they were exonerated, after they confessed?
There was no death penalty in New York when Trump argued for it. That's enough for me to get "butt hurt."
Oh, so a private citizen can't call for a state to get/use death penalty?
I see another case of liberals hating free speech.
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GOD DAMN. SHUT THE FUCK UP. I SHOULD TOTALLY SUE YOU FOR YOUR FRAUDULENT STATEMENT HERE.
My, my, my…. maybe you should follow the advice you gave me when you sent me that private message... and move to China if you hate freedom of speech so much.
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You're butt hurt because Trump thought they should be executed before they were exonerated, after they confessed?
There was no death penalty in New York when Trump argued for it. That's enough for me to get "butt hurt."
Oh, so a private citizen can't call for a state to get/use death penalty?
I see another case of liberals hating free speech.
Trump is free to say anything he likes. I am too. I m also entitled to my feelings.Liberals do not hate free speech. Criticizing something is not equivalent to banning it.
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GOD DAMN. SHUT THE FUCK UP. I SHOULD TOTALLY SUE YOU FOR YOUR FRAUDULENT STATEMENT HERE.
IF I HAD A GREEN DOT THAT SAID "WARNED" UNDER MY USERNAME I WOULD WATCH MY LANGUAGE.
Sue him for what? Criticizing the President? We do not live in Russia.
Sue him for "lying"? If that were allowed, you and the President would never be out of court.
Recheck the connection between your brains and your fingers.. If you can only contribute by calling the posters liars, hen resist the temptation and move onto the next topic.
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