Is the Confederate Flag a Symbol of Racism or History?

raphjd

I wasn't directing that comment at you.

royalcrown89

I wasn't directing that comment at you.

Oops :blondmom: :sorry:

Frederick

@raphjd:

I think some people wallow in oppression.
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Rather than focusing on actual oppression, people are getting butt hurt of some historical thing.

You didn't actually make an argument that the confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism, presumably because you know it is. Instead, what you did is lump together rapping about white people not hiring black people with being upset about our government proudly flying a flag that symbolizes the treasonous lengths white people once went to protect their right to treat other people as chattel slavery.

As a matter of fact.. the confederate flag is not a symbol of racism. While it is sometimes used by racists, it is not a symbol of racism, but a symbol to represent the "South" in the Civil War. Quite a few people think that the Civil War was about slavery and WW2 was about the hatred of Jews. While those things were certainly PART of those wars, they were not the primary impetus (driving force) in those conflicts.

amicusets

@alibix:

It's both. They aren't mutually exclusive.

The confederate flag is also the definition of anti-american.

Do you need a dictionary, history book, civics book, or sociology book? Or all of them?

The CSA didn't try to overthrow the federal government.
The CSA didn't start a war against the federal government.
The CSA was literally the Confederate States of America.

vaylon 0

I see it as both a historical symbol of a failed aristocratic party and a symbol for haters.
The confederate states were not real democratic in their way of governing. Just because you were white didn't mean squat and voting? Depending on what southern state you lived in, you most likely couldn't vote for anything. A rich landowner could very easily block entire parts of a county from voting.
It was a seriously crooked and corrupt system that favored the rich landowners. Look at how Russia is today and you get a sense of what the south was.
Why do you think so many southerners headed west when the new territories opened.

alibix

@raphjd:

Not everyone who flies/wears the confederate flag is a racist. For many it's simply a symbol of southern pride. For some it's a symbol of rebellion.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

It's by definition anti american

amicusets

@alibix:

@raphjd:

Not everyone who flies/wears the confederate flag is a racist. For many it's simply a symbol of southern pride. For some it's a symbol of rebellion.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

It's by definition anti american

In no definition of the word can it be expressed to be "anti-American." This is LITERALLY the most ridiculous argument against the flag that I have ever heard. Please source some SCHOLASTIC information regarding such a claim.

alibix

@amicusets:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

Not everyone who flies/wears the confederate flag is a racist. For many it's simply a symbol of southern pride. For some it's a symbol of rebellion.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

It's by definition anti american

In no definition of the word can it be expressed to be "anti-American." This is LITERALLY the most ridiculous argument against the flag that I have ever heard. Please source some SCHOLASTIC information regarding such a claim.

The people who flew that flag fought against the America we have today.

myrea

Isn't it truth that the south used that flag in a war in order not to abolish slavery? I guess that would be enough… this thing with cool icons of rebelion etc isn't it a bit teen angst much for some older people? Do you really think that the south or north have any reason to be proud of their past history or wartimes? For me it looks like it's the flag of bitterness...

raphjd

@alibix:

@raphjd:

Not everyone who flies/wears the confederate flag is a racist. For many it's simply a symbol of southern pride. For some it's a symbol of rebellion.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

It's by definition anti american

By definition, the American flag is anti British.

By definition, the South Sudan flag is anti Sudan.

By definition, countless flags are anti someone else.

amicusets

@alibix:

@amicusets:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

Not everyone who flies/wears the confederate flag is a racist. For many it's simply a symbol of southern pride. For some it's a symbol of rebellion.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

It's by definition anti american

In no definition of the word can it be expressed to be "anti-American." This is LITERALLY the most ridiculous argument against the flag that I have ever heard. Please source some SCHOLASTIC information regarding such a claim.

The people who flew that flag fought against the America we have today.

You should REALLY sit back and think before you respond. For one thing, the Confederacy has been dead for 152 years. The America we have today didn't exist 152 years ago. The America we have today is NOTHING like the America that existed then, especially in terms of size and scope of the federal government, which is one one of the core reasons for the war. The America we have today might have caused the vast majority of Northern states to secede as well.

Ellis

Both.

Good or bad, it's part of history.

Just as racism has come to be, and will continue being so as long as there are those teaching it…and anyone there to listen to the crap, carrying on the ugly practice.

(Regarding the images…just examples in some quick random grabs from the internet...none I necessarily have an opinion about, although a couple were amusing.)

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