Good or bad, it's part of history.

Just as racism has come to be, and will continue being so as long as there are those teaching it…and anyone there to listen to the crap, carrying on the ugly practice.

(Regarding the images…just examples in some quick random grabs from the internet...none I necessarily have an opinion about, although a couple were amusing.)

@amicusets:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

Not everyone who flies/wears the confederate flag is a racist.    For many it's simply a symbol of southern pride.   For some it's a symbol of rebellion.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

It's by definition anti american

In no definition of the word can it be expressed to be "anti-American." This is LITERALLY the most ridiculous argument against the flag that I have ever heard. Please source some SCHOLASTIC information regarding such a claim.

The people who flew that flag fought against the America we have today.

You should REALLY sit back and think before you respond. For one thing, the Confederacy has been dead for 152 years. The America we have today didn't exist 152 years ago. The America we have today is NOTHING like the America that existed then, especially in terms of size and scope of the federal government, which is one one of the core reasons for the war. The America we have today might have caused the vast majority of Northern states to secede as well.

@raphjd:

Not everyone who flies/wears the confederate flag is a racist.    For many it's simply a symbol of southern pride.   For some it's a symbol of rebellion.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

It's by definition anti american

By definition, the American flag is anti British.

By definition, the South Sudan flag is anti Sudan.

By definition, countless flags are anti someone else.

@alibix:

@raphjd:

Not everyone who flies/wears the confederate flag is a racist.    For many it's simply a symbol of southern pride.   For some it's a symbol of rebellion.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

It's by definition anti american

In no definition of the word can it be expressed to be "anti-American." This is LITERALLY the most ridiculous argument against the flag that I have ever heard. Please source some SCHOLASTIC information regarding such a claim.

The people who flew that flag fought against the America we have today.

@raphjd:

Not everyone who flies/wears the confederate flag is a racist.    For many it's simply a symbol of southern pride.   For some it's a symbol of rebellion.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

It's by definition anti american

In no definition of the word can it be expressed to be "anti-American." This is LITERALLY the most ridiculous argument against the flag that I have ever heard. Please source some SCHOLASTIC information regarding such a claim.

Not everyone who flies/wears the confederate flag is a racist.    For many it's simply a symbol of southern pride.   For some it's a symbol of rebellion.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

It's by definition anti american

It's both. They aren't mutually exclusive.

The confederate flag is also the definition of anti-american.

Do you need a dictionary, history book, civics book, or sociology book? Or all of them?

1. The CSA didn't try to overthrow the federal government.
2. The CSA didn't start a war against the federal government.
3. The CSA was literally the Confederate States of America.

@raphjd:

I think some people wallow in oppression.   
…
Rather than focusing on actual oppression, people are getting butt hurt of some historical thing.

You didn't actually make an argument that the confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism, presumably because you know it is. Instead, what you did is lump together rapping about white people not hiring black people with being upset about our government proudly flying a flag that symbolizes the treasonous lengths white people once went to protect their right to treat other people as chattel slavery.

As a matter of fact.. the confederate flag is not a symbol of racism.  While it is sometimes used by racists, it is not a symbol of racism, but a symbol to represent the "South" in the Civil War.  Quite a few people think that the Civil War was about slavery and WW2 was about the hatred of Jews.  While those things were certainly PART of those wars, they were not the primary impetus (driving force) in those conflicts.

I wasn't directing that comment at you.

Oops  :blondmom:  :sorry:

Yes, for many it is a symbol of Southern pride. I know that for a fact because there are members of my family who wear it proudly and I do not object to it in any shape or form whenever they wear it or fly it in their yards or place it on their bumpers. That is completely different than the state displaying any of the flags as something EVERYONE should have to pass on public property and pay respect to when the whole idea of the confederacy is against many of our beliefs. I respect people's right to wear it on their bodies and display it on their property, but it should not be something that the state wholly upholds and displays as if the state and everyone who lives in the state is promoting it. That's where I have to draw the line and that's where my state was forced to draw the line after what happened in Charleston in 2015.

Only an SJW would reduce everything into an ism and/or a phobia.

@alibix:

Both. They aren't mutually exclusive.

One could say the American Flag is also racist…
Consider the treatment of the American Indians, and the Japanese during WW2 among other things.

But the country as a whole has admitted those were wrong and we do not celebrate those things as a country the way the South seems to want to celebrate treason and the displacement and barbaric genocide of a set of people. With the American flag we celebrate the many, many freedoms we have (and continue to fight for) while also remembering some of the bad things the country has done. The confederate flag does neither of those, it's an attempt by some to celebrate something truly disgusting while ultimately overshadowing those who legitimately believe it is a symbol of Southern heritage.

Both. They aren't mutually exclusive.

One could say the American Flag is also racist…
Consider the treatment of the American Indians, and the Japanese during WW2 among other things.

@raphjd:

I think some people wallow in oppression.   
…
Rather than focusing on actual oppression, people are getting butt hurt of some historical thing.

You didn't actually make an argument that the confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism, presumably because you know it is. Instead, what you did is lump together rapping about white people not hiring black people with being upset about our government proudly flying a flag that symbolizes the treasonous lengths white people once went to protect their right to treat other people as chattel slavery.

Don't rewrite history. The War was not about slavery, alone, and actually had NOTHING to do with moral issues of slavery, but of the economic and financial consequences.
Slavery of blacks on this continent would never have existed if their fellow Africans weren't so willing to sell each other into it.

Chattel slavery came to the new world through Anthony Johnson (former indentured slave himself) when he refused to let go of his indentured slave John Casor.     It was a black man that gave the new world chattel slavery.

In 1705, Virginia declared that any non christian (Protestant) was a slave.   Race wasn't even mentioned.

Then again, the Swastika is stole image and icon.

I think some people wallow in oppression.   
…
Rather than focusing on actual oppression, people are getting butt hurt of some historical thing.

You didn't actually make an argument that the confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism, presumably because you know it is. Instead, what you did is lump together rapping about white people not hiring black people with being upset about our government proudly flying a flag that symbolizes the treasonous lengths white people once went to protect their right to treat other people as chattel slavery.

The confederate flag is also the definition of anti-american.

I think some people wallow in oppression.

I converted a rapper from doing songs about black are oppressed to doing songs about black empowerment.     He'd never had an actual conversation with a white person who owns a business.    He went from doing songs about whitey refusing to give jobs to blacks to doing songs about staying in school and bettering yourself.

I see this situation being kinda the same.

Rather than focusing on actual oppression, people are getting butt hurt of some historical thing.

Despite what the Nazis did to gays, I don't wallow in oppression every time I see a Nazi symbol.   I don't wallow in the fact that when the Allies freed the concentration camps, gays were left there and later sent to a proper prison, while everyone else was released.   Maybe I should view all the symbols of the allies as oppression too.

Were Nazi flags raised near Government buildings?

I converted a rapper from doing songs about black are oppressed to doing songs about black empowerment.    He'd never had an actual conversation with a white person who owns a business.    He went from doing songs about whitey refusing to give jobs to blacks to doing songs about staying in school and bettering yourself.

I see this situation being kinda the same.

Rather than focusing on actual oppression, people are getting butt hurt of some historical thing.

Despite what the Nazis did to gays, I don't wallow in oppression every time I see a Nazi symbol.  I don't wallow in the fact that when the Allies freed the concentration camps, gays were left there and later sent to a proper prison, while everyone else was released.  Maybe I should view all the symbols of the allies as oppression too.