Do you believe in God, even you being gay?
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dear karorsky.. again the same mix about religion and science.. a debate dead long , long years ago… science doesnt refute the existence of a "higher power" as you might think. Real scientists are agnostic, like Hubert Reeves who believe like any astrophysician there is life out there. The Big Bang was made by what/ who? science can't answer that you say you dont "believe" in higher power, yet your are mesmerized by nebulas, life on mars and such... so you think all this beauty, the fact condition for life are so difficult to achieve, all this is just pure "hazard"... Most scientist , ( real one, not the local school teacher) Hawking and such, because they do are indeed scientist are impartial and objective and don't make conclusion based on beliefs but on observation, can't exlude that "higher power" that might be at the origin of it all : the big bang.
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so basically on this forum people post their thoughts and don't read other post and don't reply to anything, they just write some s*** like on your own blog.. great….
You want people to care, but they don't. Especially gay people. And no, there is no God. You live and you die. Move on.
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dear karorsky.. again the same mix about religion and science.. a debate dead long , long years ago… science doesnt refute the existence of a "higher power" as you might think. Real scientists are agnostic, like Hubert Reeves who believe like any astrophysician there is life out there. The Big Bang was made by what/ who? science can't answer that you say you dont "believe" in higher power, yet your are mesmerized by nebulas, life on mars and such... so you think all this beauty, the fact condition for life are so difficult to achieve, all this is just pure "hazard"... Most scientist , ( real one, not the local school teacher) Hawking and such, because they do are indeed scientist are impartial and objective and don't make conclusion based on beliefs but on observation, can't exlude that "higher power" that might be at the origin of it all : the big bang.
Your entry is just as flawed as religion. Let me clear something up for you; A survey was done concerning religion in the US between the general public and "real" scientists who further our scientific understanding, and leading break throughs in fields such as health sciences, and others. It was found that 83% of the general public believe in god, 12% believe in a higher power, 4% don't believe in anything and 1% just didn't know, or didn't care. The findings for the scientists side deemed that only 33% (1/3) believed in god, 18% believes in a higher power, 41% didn't believe in either - and 7% didn't know or care. The results furthered into age brackets, with the younger being the highest to believe, and the older being the majority of those who did not. This survey was brought forth because an Evangelical Christian geneticist was nominated to be the new director of the National Institutes of Health. Scientists felt that someone who believed in "miracles" wasn't the best candidate to lead the nation's most visible job in science.
As for science refuting existance of a higher power - of course it does. Take the beginning of the bible for example: "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. He said "let there be light" and there was light." This is pretty much claiming, that God created the Sun. (Notice how it specifies EARTH as well and not a possibility of Mars, - I wonder why that is? am I to believe that a talking bush told some maniac that EARTH is the only place that sustained life? - are we to assume that the Heavens isn't another plane our souls are ported to when we die - or are we to assume that the heavens, is infact space. Either way, both outcomes are obviously bunk.) But let's continue. (I could go on to dispute the nebula and etc. but I said enough above. You're just questioning the origin and creation. Where as I merely find it amusing that there's so much more than just this blip of a planet out there.) So I'll discuss some other things. Let's start with Noah and the ark. 2 of every animal on a WOODEN boat to preserve their species. Isn't this a little farfetched to you? 2 of everything? Is that just 2 bears? or 2 Grizzly bears, 2 panda bears, 2 black bears, and etc? - I like how they were also conveniently dropped off on different continents! Now how about the other races and cultures. Were the Muslims allowed on the Ark? or did they just magically pop up after the flood? This story is FULL of plot holes, just like the rest of the bible. How about moses and the splitting of the red sea to drown another RACE of people they were at war with. It says God split the sea, sure - so we can't acuse moses of witchcraft. Is this their lowered comprehension making sense of a tsunami that wiped out the others perhaps? Only other explanation is what the bible states. GOD proved himself real, and did something to save humanity. Furthering this, why would he save his followers from a threat, but let CHILDREN be raped, murdered, and suffer from some pretty BRUTAL and horrendous diseases/illnesses and the like? Found another plot hole I think! I could go on, but I really don't think I need to. Religion is a man made hysteria to control the masses that fear death, and need something "more" out of life.
I'm sorry but, regarding religion - you sir, have no leg to stand on. It's clearly bunk.
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First I'm not american and despise them and their "in god we trust " even on banknote.
2/ you only talk about the bible and the christian religion. I never said the christian religious is not crap.
Creation here again has nothing to do with believing in a "higher power", it only deals with stupid crazy radical americans , not the subject here as well.
I stand by my point, science as of today can not refute if the big bang was the result of a will from something/someone, and the reason is simple , the object of science is not to refute or explain such things.
You mix the fact of thinking , it's a likely probability that the whole universe, aka the origin of the big bang is the result of some "higher power" and the dumb ass man made religions.. that's 2 things totally different that don't exclude each other. Of course the "Genese" from the bible is a little story for children, even the pope says so ! It's no more the middle age dude… -
I do not believe in god and think that religion is a scam. Period.
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absolutely.
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I believe in God, always have & always will
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so basically on this forum people post their thoughts and don't read other post and dont reply to anything, they just write some s*** like on your own blog.. great….
Well, we're here just for bonus point though.
Btw, i still believe in God. It has nothing to do with me being bi though.
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Atheism is the opposite of believe. It just states that it is highly unlikeable that there is a god. The likeablility is defined by empiric evidence. The same as it is highly unlikeable that there are unicorns, dwarfs, talking 8 foot bunnies or leprechauns. An Agnostic by the way is different to an Atheist in the following way: he or she still sees a possibility that there could be a god, while an Atheist sees those chances going to zero - based on missing empiric evidence.
Science, which usually is the above described base of Atheism, also only works with empiric evidence. This is the difference between religions and science. Empiric evidence is the basis of Science. And accepting just any claim that is written in old books, no matter how clearly it is proven wrong by science, that is the base of religion.
And for those who experienced what they call a 'personal god': Scientists have begun to understand the psycho-evolutionary and neurobiological reasons for why men almost automatically tends to create a higher beeing. But that does not mean, that there is a higher beeing. Read the books, they are all there with all the empiric evidence neccessary.
Now, I know that it is useless to discuss with sworn religious people because they ignore or simply do not understand the concept of empiric, peer-reviewed data and evidence.
Nevertheless I think everybody has the right to believe in what ever religion they want to. At home or in their churches, synagoges, mosques and temples. But keep your faith out of politics, schools and universities. That is were it not does belong. Otherwise the religious freedom for ALL religions and Atheists is not guaranteed.
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Yes, cause I dont think God judges, after all, he created me gay.
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I am an atheist.
Even if there is a God in our universe, he doesn't care about us absolutely. I consider that people have invented a religion for benefits not for God, but for themselves. -
Why give faith to someone who's shown immeasurable pain to innocent people? I can consider myself fortunate in many areas, could it be God? Maybe, but whenever I've called he's never answered as he's so fond of doing with his disciples in the Bible.When I needed him most there was no answer, when I needed someone to help me, there was no one around, it was then that I realized that I was believing in humanities greatest lie, God.
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no i dont believe in a personal god.
but hypothetically, it there were a god and this god was the god people keep on pertaining to as the all loving god, then that god wouldnt have a problem with you being gay. there's literally nothing wrong with loving another person. -
I believe in God, however, I don't believe in the religions of the world.
Think about this, How many different religions are there with how many different 'versions' of God?
How can that be?
It can't hence there is but one God and all of the religions who try to say that they are right and the others are wrong are wrong.
God is different to each culture thus we have differences, however, that doesn't make any of them right.Religion was made by Man to explain the things that education couldn't or didn't at the time, now it is used to rule people and for hate.
Being gay and believing in God is not necessarily a bad thing; being gay and believing that people will treat you correctly, not that's a different question. -
First I'm not american and despise them and their "in god we trust " even on banknote.
2/ you only talk about the bible and the christian religion. I never said the christian religious is not crap.
Creation here again has nothing to do with believing in a "higher power", it only deals with stupid crazy radical americans , not the subject here as well.
I stand by my point, science as of today can not refute if the big bang was the result of a will from something/someone, and the reason is simple , the object of science is not to refute or explain such things.
You mix the fact of thinking , it's a likely probability that the whole universe, aka the origin of the big bang is the result of some "higher power" and the dumb ass man made religions.. that's 2 things totally different that don't exclude each other. Of course the "Genese" from the bible is a little story for children, even the pope says so ! It's no more the middle age dude…Dude,
Not to attack you, but your words portray you as someone with whom you are dissing. Yes, I am an American and I'm deeply concerned with your comments. In particularly 'despise them and their "in god[sic] we trust "'. Why do you have so much contempt for ALL of us? Not all Americans are what you describe as "radical". I don't know your origin and simply don't care. I love you anyway because that's how most Americans believe. We love everyone. We want what is the consensus for being best for humanity for ALL of the world of which We live. We have the power to ensure the rest of the world is protected when the need for protection arises. I certainly would appreciate your consideration for all men when making your opinions available for others in future post. I don't believe the original post/question was created for us to make "radical" attacks on each on the basis of our beloved country of origin. Please adjust your attitude when making further post.
Thanks very much for your consideration in advance.
shanefl2002
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ok so Jack777, you are an atheist, which is a faith by itself like any other religion. please respect people and dont try to convert others people to your own faith. dont say things like " all religious books.." you dont know that( no you dont, you believe that, which is totally different). It's equally stupid as someone let's say catholic, would say you are Buddhist so your religion is crap only mine is real. this is stupid and only brings war.
Claiming that atheism is a 'faith' strikes me as very narrow minded. It is possible to disagree with the world's religions without relying on faith. Well, to be fair, one must have faith that our senses are at least somewhat accurate, we're not figments of another's imagination or data in a simulation. Even so, comparing that basic standpoint to an actual religion and claiming that using it as the basis of reasoning is an attempt to 'convert people to your own faith' is ludicrous.
Secondly, if we're talking about major religions, there are only three religious books, and they're essentially identical, minus cultural differences. Well, to be fair, the Quran and Bible are both much longer than the Torah, but, having read them all, his point is valid, even if the Torah and Bible sometimes mix allegory with historical accounts. Buddhism on the other hand doesn't have a uniting major theological text, nor does Hinduism, which are both largely regionally distinct. There is literally nothing in his statements that isn't provable beyond his standpoint that they're fictional. While that claim isn't technically provable, his arguments are logically sound. If you're going to disagree with someone over such a contentious topic, I'll thank you to make some sort of logical rebuttal, rather than attempting to refute a sound argument with whatever wishy-washy hippy bullshit I had the displeasure of being forced to quote.
P.S. After reading some of your other messages on this board, I feel confident in saying you need to tone your bigotry down. Regardless of whether it's about skin color or country of origin, it's ridiculous and unnecessary here.
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:police: Please dial back the bickering or I might have to issue some official warnings. :police:
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Yes I believe in God, even though I am bisexual.
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I never used to believe in god.
As a matter of fact I blamed god for the way I turned out.
But when I was down on my luck and asked for help god was there to help.
He didn't ask what my sexual preference was, he just helped.I think people confuse god with the punishing church and their ideals.
My god is not a punishing god
Probably why I live a spiritual life
And why I have peace of mind today -
Of course I do, even more, I pray for getting pregnant
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