Do you believe in God, even you being gay?
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I don't think there is any relation, but being gay did help me to formulate my religious views (I don't believe in a God).
When I was in my teenage years, my catholic church tried to convert me towards the 'Godly path', and knowing that I could never change, I sought science and objectivity as hallmarks to the way I live. At the end of the day, I'm thankful to the church for 'opening my eyes', lol.
Btw, I'm from Malaysia, a Muslim majority country… Religion can be quite divisive (politically & socially) here... I don't like that :-[
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Yes, being gay does not colide with the fact I'm catholic, I never felt any trouble on that regard, even if you read the bible the only place homosexuality is something it's againts of is the Apocalypse so no, I don't, anyhow, we'll see where they send me to… :cool2:
I'm serious, I don't, I love my boyfriend, he loves me back, this is not out of sex or lust, so, yes, I feel ok. So does he, he is reaaaaally serious abou the whole Roman Catholic faith, he goes to church, prays, etc, fortunately he does not put any pressure on me to do the same. It's his faith, something private which I respect.
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Firstly I consider all religions to be little more than 'Clubs' with rules, if you want to belong to the club you 'largely' abide by the rules. I have no respect for anything which requires 'blind faith' as the main requirement for it's existence. All religious documents purporting to be evidence of the actions of a supreme intelligence acting on Earth in my opinion are little more than historical documents giving accounts of events which have by and large been distorted through the retelling and embellished by religions whose main function throughout history has been to oppress, control and demonstrate a do as I say, not as do approach. If there is a hell then we are by and large safe since it is probably overflowing with so called religious people. Most people as they get older find religion like a drowning person clutching at fragile flotsam and jetsom. I have decided that I'm getting too old to have imaginary friends. In reality if God exists or existed then by definition if you look at the criteria he must have been or be a a more intelligent alien or more likely a race of aliens. I even have a problem with that since when you look at the constraints of interfacing our fragile bodies with the physics required to travel vast distances it's very unlikely. Just enjoy life as your a long time dead and be yourself. To believe that even f god existed he/it would condemn you to hell or a life of BDSM (hmmmmm) just for being gay, not having your foreskin, mutilated, not performing strange rituals which have very earth bound origins is ludicrous to the extreme.
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so basically on this forum people post their thoughts and don't read other post and dont reply to anything, they just write some s*** like on your own blog.. great….
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No. There is no relation.
I think So
Personally I don't believe in god, but I don't think believing in god and being gay are related at all. In what way are they related? If there was a god, I imagine that they created humans, therefore meant for some people to be gay etc. might go against major religions, but they were written by men (yes men not god or angels) a long time ago, and times have changed.
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I know I'm gonna get chewed out for this but all religious books are actually works of fiction. They are meant to be a guideline as to how we should live our life. We should accept only the message of tolerance that these books teach us. It is people who make these religious books their weapons for world domination.
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ok so Jack777, you are an atheist, which is a faith by itself like any other religion. please respect people and dont try to convert others people to your own faith. dont say things like " all religious books.." you dont know that( no you dont, you believe that, which is totally different). It's equally stupid as someone let's say catholic, would say you are Buddhist so your religion is crap only mine is real. this is stupid and only brings war.
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I don't believe in God, or a religion. I had considered it growing up, but when you know you're gay at a young age, and then have someone tell you that your natural attractions are wrong - made me quite suspicious. The more I thought, the more I started to theorize how it began, and reeled in so many followers. Let's look at how it began, the burning bush, a talking flame, claiming to be a higher power. In today's world, if ANYBODY mentions something with religious motivation - or the same thing. They'd be locked up in the loony bin with a custom strait jacket and a tiny cup of pills. So focus deeper on this. What are the signs of someone who exudes this kind of behavior. A) crazy. B) Trippin' balls. In todays world when people hallucinate, they have a quite vast array of characters to draw it from; smurfs, batman, Tasmanian devil - the list goes on. Back in those days when someone was high as a kite and tripping out on hallucinogens what exactly did they have to draw from? Fire provided heat, and their light. They didn't have cartoons or anything else. Thus leads me to the conclusion that the 'writers' were tripping out and decided to write out their ideologies and opinions out, followed with some elaborate filler stories to make a seemingly legit "religion". After all, when contemplating ones own morality and someone just handing an answer out - who wouldn't take it back then? (The days when being left handed was considered evil). It was an easy answer that drew in the masses. Since the talking bush, has anybody really seen proof of a higher power? Obviously the answer is no. Makes this nothing more than pseudoscience. So what exactly is religion? It's a form of brainwashing for false safety to control the masses. If there were a higher power that gave half a damn about us, I'm pretty sure a vast majority of the evils in the world would have been eradicated, and there would be ONE religion, NOT 4, 200 - and we would actually live in harmony.
There are far more wondrous and amazing things in the universe. Like a nebula that creates stars and solar systems. Or the theory that Mars was once a habitual planet that was able to sustain life, and that we may have began there as evidenced by the findings on Mars (and that when life was wiped out from a meteor/comet the building blocks for human life was hurdled to earth were we started over - MANY years ago.) The supporting evidence of such is quite intriguing to think about - and much more believable than a 'higher power'. Such as the theory that extraterrestrial life has already shown it's presence, but the government keeps it hush hush so it wouldn't insight a world wide panic with such evidential proof that God and etc. really doesn't exist.
Sorry I kind of got carried away haha d=
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dear karorsky.. again the same mix about religion and science.. a debate dead long , long years ago… science doesnt refute the existence of a "higher power" as you might think. Real scientists are agnostic, like Hubert Reeves who believe like any astrophysician there is life out there. The Big Bang was made by what/ who? science can't answer that you say you dont "believe" in higher power, yet your are mesmerized by nebulas, life on mars and such... so you think all this beauty, the fact condition for life are so difficult to achieve, all this is just pure "hazard"... Most scientist , ( real one, not the local school teacher) Hawking and such, because they do are indeed scientist are impartial and objective and don't make conclusion based on beliefs but on observation, can't exlude that "higher power" that might be at the origin of it all : the big bang.
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so basically on this forum people post their thoughts and don't read other post and don't reply to anything, they just write some s*** like on your own blog.. great….
You want people to care, but they don't. Especially gay people. And no, there is no God. You live and you die. Move on.
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dear karorsky.. again the same mix about religion and science.. a debate dead long , long years ago… science doesnt refute the existence of a "higher power" as you might think. Real scientists are agnostic, like Hubert Reeves who believe like any astrophysician there is life out there. The Big Bang was made by what/ who? science can't answer that you say you dont "believe" in higher power, yet your are mesmerized by nebulas, life on mars and such... so you think all this beauty, the fact condition for life are so difficult to achieve, all this is just pure "hazard"... Most scientist , ( real one, not the local school teacher) Hawking and such, because they do are indeed scientist are impartial and objective and don't make conclusion based on beliefs but on observation, can't exlude that "higher power" that might be at the origin of it all : the big bang.
Your entry is just as flawed as religion. Let me clear something up for you; A survey was done concerning religion in the US between the general public and "real" scientists who further our scientific understanding, and leading break throughs in fields such as health sciences, and others. It was found that 83% of the general public believe in god, 12% believe in a higher power, 4% don't believe in anything and 1% just didn't know, or didn't care. The findings for the scientists side deemed that only 33% (1/3) believed in god, 18% believes in a higher power, 41% didn't believe in either - and 7% didn't know or care. The results furthered into age brackets, with the younger being the highest to believe, and the older being the majority of those who did not. This survey was brought forth because an Evangelical Christian geneticist was nominated to be the new director of the National Institutes of Health. Scientists felt that someone who believed in "miracles" wasn't the best candidate to lead the nation's most visible job in science.
As for science refuting existance of a higher power - of course it does. Take the beginning of the bible for example: "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. He said "let there be light" and there was light." This is pretty much claiming, that God created the Sun. (Notice how it specifies EARTH as well and not a possibility of Mars, - I wonder why that is? am I to believe that a talking bush told some maniac that EARTH is the only place that sustained life? - are we to assume that the Heavens isn't another plane our souls are ported to when we die - or are we to assume that the heavens, is infact space. Either way, both outcomes are obviously bunk.) But let's continue. (I could go on to dispute the nebula and etc. but I said enough above. You're just questioning the origin and creation. Where as I merely find it amusing that there's so much more than just this blip of a planet out there.) So I'll discuss some other things. Let's start with Noah and the ark. 2 of every animal on a WOODEN boat to preserve their species. Isn't this a little farfetched to you? 2 of everything? Is that just 2 bears? or 2 Grizzly bears, 2 panda bears, 2 black bears, and etc? - I like how they were also conveniently dropped off on different continents! Now how about the other races and cultures. Were the Muslims allowed on the Ark? or did they just magically pop up after the flood? This story is FULL of plot holes, just like the rest of the bible. How about moses and the splitting of the red sea to drown another RACE of people they were at war with. It says God split the sea, sure - so we can't acuse moses of witchcraft. Is this their lowered comprehension making sense of a tsunami that wiped out the others perhaps? Only other explanation is what the bible states. GOD proved himself real, and did something to save humanity. Furthering this, why would he save his followers from a threat, but let CHILDREN be raped, murdered, and suffer from some pretty BRUTAL and horrendous diseases/illnesses and the like? Found another plot hole I think! I could go on, but I really don't think I need to. Religion is a man made hysteria to control the masses that fear death, and need something "more" out of life.
I'm sorry but, regarding religion - you sir, have no leg to stand on. It's clearly bunk.
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First I'm not american and despise them and their "in god we trust " even on banknote.
2/ you only talk about the bible and the christian religion. I never said the christian religious is not crap.
Creation here again has nothing to do with believing in a "higher power", it only deals with stupid crazy radical americans , not the subject here as well.
I stand by my point, science as of today can not refute if the big bang was the result of a will from something/someone, and the reason is simple , the object of science is not to refute or explain such things.
You mix the fact of thinking , it's a likely probability that the whole universe, aka the origin of the big bang is the result of some "higher power" and the dumb ass man made religions.. that's 2 things totally different that don't exclude each other. Of course the "Genese" from the bible is a little story for children, even the pope says so ! It's no more the middle age dude… -
I do not believe in god and think that religion is a scam. Period.
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absolutely.
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I believe in God, always have & always will
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so basically on this forum people post their thoughts and don't read other post and dont reply to anything, they just write some s*** like on your own blog.. great….
Well, we're here just for bonus point though.
Btw, i still believe in God. It has nothing to do with me being bi though.
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Atheism is the opposite of believe. It just states that it is highly unlikeable that there is a god. The likeablility is defined by empiric evidence. The same as it is highly unlikeable that there are unicorns, dwarfs, talking 8 foot bunnies or leprechauns. An Agnostic by the way is different to an Atheist in the following way: he or she still sees a possibility that there could be a god, while an Atheist sees those chances going to zero - based on missing empiric evidence.
Science, which usually is the above described base of Atheism, also only works with empiric evidence. This is the difference between religions and science. Empiric evidence is the basis of Science. And accepting just any claim that is written in old books, no matter how clearly it is proven wrong by science, that is the base of religion.
And for those who experienced what they call a 'personal god': Scientists have begun to understand the psycho-evolutionary and neurobiological reasons for why men almost automatically tends to create a higher beeing. But that does not mean, that there is a higher beeing. Read the books, they are all there with all the empiric evidence neccessary.
Now, I know that it is useless to discuss with sworn religious people because they ignore or simply do not understand the concept of empiric, peer-reviewed data and evidence.
Nevertheless I think everybody has the right to believe in what ever religion they want to. At home or in their churches, synagoges, mosques and temples. But keep your faith out of politics, schools and universities. That is were it not does belong. Otherwise the religious freedom for ALL religions and Atheists is not guaranteed.
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Yes, cause I dont think God judges, after all, he created me gay.
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I am an atheist.
Even if there is a God in our universe, he doesn't care about us absolutely. I consider that people have invented a religion for benefits not for God, but for themselves.
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