When is a duplicate torrent not a duplicate torrent?

Popper

I confirm, that is a duplicate as how we see our rules. The 4 missing (or additional) images don't make up for enough difference.

Our rules allow duplicates with collections. Nevertheless then conditions must apply:

Different well defined common theme
Not a subset of an elder collection, unless update of a running series after 3 months
Single movie/clip torrent part of collection(s) or taken out

None of above applies in this case.

There are cases where multiple video file torrents are not considered collections:

Multiple discs sets (typically 2 discs sets)
A movie split in scenes vs the full movie in one file
A movie file split in short chunks vs one file

I'd like to add, that often "collections" lack a well defined common theme and are rather random packs. We currently don't run a "hard" line against such torrents, but those packs is not what was intended to allow by removing file number and size restrictions. There will be a change soon or later …

saturno

Just for information, I wrote the post before I became torrent moderator, so… rothko I'm not mad

Spintendo

It's interesting to note people's enthusiasm and thoroughness in the "creation and uploading" part of torrenting (which if successful, allows the possibility for credit) and then contrasting it with the lack of enthusiasm and thoroughness in the "checking for duplicates before uploading" part of torrenting (which if successful, denies the possibility for credit).

raphjd

I gave the OP a thumbs up for his post, because I love seeing members taking an active interest in the site.

LEVI

@Popper:

I confirm, that is a duplicate as how we see our rules. The 4 missing (or additional) images don't make up for enough difference.

Our rules allow duplicates with collections. Nevertheless then conditions must apply:

Different well defined common theme

Not a subset of an elder collection, unless update of a running series after 3 months

Single movie/clip torrent part of collection(s) or taken out

None of above applies in this case.

There are cases where multiple video file torrents are not considered collections:

Multiple discs sets (typically 2 discs sets)

A movie split in scenes vs the full movie in one file

A movie file split in short chunks vs one file

I'd like to add, that often "collections" lack a well defined common theme and are rather random packs. We currently don't run a "hard" line against such torrents, but those packs is not what was intended to allow by removing file number and size restrictions. There will be a change soon or later …

I think many miss this point.

Single movie/clip torrent part of collection(s) or taken out

If a movie/clip/scene is uploaded as part of a collection that same movie/clip/scene cannot be uploaded separately, bu the reverse is not true..

MarkB

@LEVI:

If a movie/clip/scene is uploaded as part of a collection that same movie/clip/scene cannot be uploaded separately, bu the reverse is not true..

Has that rule changed in the last 12 months? What you say seems the logical thing to me, and I see that kind of upload all the time, but about a year ago jackny explicitly confirmed to me that the opposite was true - clips that are posted on their own after they were previously posted as part of a collection are not considered duplicates.

LEVI

@MarkB:

@LEVI:

If a movie/clip/scene is uploaded as part of a collection that same movie/clip/scene cannot be uploaded separately, bu the reverse is not true..

Has that rule changed in the last 12 months? What you say seems the logical thing to me, and I see that kind of upload all the time, but about a year ago jackny explicitly confirmed to me that the opposite was true - clips that are posted on their own after they were previously posted as part of a collection are not considered duplicates.

That is how I am reading the rule and it makes sense. A person and choose to only download that file from a collection so another torrent that is just that single file would seem to be a duplicate as long as they are the same size and format.

Right now they are claiming things are duplicates if the first has photos along with the videos and the second just has the same video files. So what would be the difference.

Popper

Single movie/clip torrent part of collection(s) or taken out

That is a condition under which "duplicate" files shared by a torrent are allowed as said in my original post.

ColinTNM

On this subject could I also ask a question regarding duplicate torrents and dates. I recently reported a duplicate that was rejected because of upload dates, but I think it may have been an oversight on the part of the moderator (it happens, I'm not blaming!) because of the "original upload date.

Example of identical torrents:
Torrent #1: Upload date 2015-03-02
Torrent #2: Upload date 2015-05-10, Original upload date: 2012-04-24

Does that make sense? In this situation I would report torrent #1 because torrent #2 has an original upload date well before, even though the upload (refresh?) date is AFTER torrent #1. Am I correct in reporting torrent #1 in this type of instance?

Thanks.

Popper

Yes, #1 will be the one to be reported as duplicate to #2, which was originally uploaded before #1.

If you are sure, just re-report it.

LEVI

@ColinTNM:

On this subject could I also ask a question regarding duplicate torrents and dates. I recently reported a duplicate that was rejected because of upload dates, but I think it may have been an oversight on the part of the moderator (it happens, I'm not blaming!) because of the "original upload date.

Example of identical torrents:
Torrent #1: Upload date 2015-03-02
Torrent #2: Upload date 2015-05-10, Original upload date: 2012-04-24

Does that make sense? In this situation I would report torrent #1 because torrent #2 has an original upload date well before, even though the upload (refresh?) date is AFTER torrent #1. Am I correct in reporting torrent #1 in this type of instance?

Thanks.

If everything else matches and we are just determining which was uploaded first. What needs to be taken into account is who added the original upload date on torrent #2. If they were put there by the uploaded then #2 is the duplicate.

Usually a torrent with the dates as in #2. The dates are done by the staff and that would make #1 the duplicate since it goes by the original upload date.

ColinTNM

That's what I thought, thank you for the clarification.