Like just watch TV or read the news or talk to people, and you have politics all day. It's just part of life. Is it not ok for us to make fun of it or comment? I get it, it doesn't fit your narrative, so now it's not ok because you don't like the President. It's ok when Saturday Night Live is doing it, but not when one of your supposed leaders are being ridiculed. It's kind of hypocritical, but that's expected…

@strangeloop: Ridiculous double standard and barefaced too. I'm curious as to how taking offense to what is obviously a racist insult and not taking offense to what is obviously not a racist insult is a "double standard?"

I don't feel like this response, or my original input, is attacking anyone, or judging. So please, calm down; I was just trying to be part of a conversation by giving thoughts about historical context. Clearly you read more into my post than was my intent.

Except that I only know of 1 religion where it's the death penalty for leaving it. Damn, I'm an islamaphobe now.  :crazy2:

Both. Good or bad, it's part of history. Just as racism has come to be, and will continue being so as long as there are those teaching it…and anyone there to listen to the crap, carrying on the ugly practice. (Regarding the images…just examples in some quick random grabs from the internet...none I necessarily have an opinion about, although a couple were amusing.) [image: 102469_index.jpg] [image: 102471_index%20t.jpg] [image: 102473_tumblr_nqd8zpxbd31r3yi0jo1_500.jpg] [image: 102475_rebel-flag-rainbow-meaning.jpg] [image: 102477_rainbow-confederate-flag-1393706324.jpg]

The EU is total crap. The EU talks the "good talk" but they are full of shit.    They whine about food waste, but EU rules on the sale of food requires massive food waste. The UK had better workers' rights before the EU mandated their weaker workers' rights. The EU is extremely weak on gay rights, while the UK i very strong on gay rights. Merkel controls the EU's immigration policy. The EU needs to die.

Dat privilege… :cry2:

Frederick, we get it.  You hate liberals (and I assume yourself).  Is there any particular reason you don't post anything positive about conservatives or the Republican party?  Surely given your deep disdain for the left you must have lots off great things to share with us about the right.  Right?

I thought the constant criticism of presidents, past and present is free speech? I always understood that the reason free speech even exists is so people can criticise the president and no repercussions occur The internet makes it a bit of a mess, I have to say, but all presidents have faced criticism and that is part of the US system. if we apply what you want to all presidents then even some things here said about Obama & Trump would be illegal!

Fake News :cheers:

Margaret Thatcher definitely. Not a fan of everything she said and did but you cannot deny how effective and successful she was as a politician and leader. Have to agree with Frederick a bit though, I can't think of many others outside of Thatcher and maybe Ann Richards like some others have said. Not many effective women politicians and leaders. There are many reasons for this but it's true nonetheless.

@Frederick: @amicusets: There is a world of difference.   A private company is liable in many ways for services.  A church is pretty much exempt from any liability.  Ever hear of priests molesting children? Ever hear of the more than 4 billion dollars in settlements and fees or the more than 10 dioceses who have gone bankrupt? There is a case that was just heard by SCOTUS that will deal with the issue of this thread. They can decide it.

Hmm, sharia law is off topic, but its part of the OP.    Nice SJW logic.

@Frederick: @TheNewt: No she's not, and Obama was one of the most conservative Presidents we have had in decades. No offense.. but do you sniff airplane glue? Ha ha.. ;D

What's the actual point of this thread? There are corrupt and criminal politicians everywhere, Republican, Democratic, or otherwise. Let's turn, for simplicity's sake, to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes 2017–2017 (Trump (R) presidency) Legislative branch Corinne Brown (D-FL) was convicted on 18 felony counts of wire and tax fraud, conspiracy, lying to federal investigators, and other corruption charges. (2017)[1] 2009–2017 (Obama (D) presidency) Executive branch General David Petraeus (R)[2] Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. On April 23, 2015, a federal judge sentenced Petraeus to two years’ probation plus a fine of $100,000 for providing classified information to Lieutenant Colonel Paula Broadwell.(2015)[3] Legislative branch Chaka Fattah (D-PA) was convicted on 23 counts of racketeering, fraud, and other corruption charges. (2016)[4]     Dennis Hastert (R-IL) Speaker of the United States House of Representatives pleaded guilty in court for illegally structuring bank transactions related to payment of $3.5 million to quash allegations of sexual misconduct with a student when he was a high school teacher and coach decades ago.[5] (2016)     Michael Grimm (R-NY) pleaded guilty of felony tax evasion. This was the fourth count in a 20-count indictment brought against him for improper use of campaign funds. The guilty plea had a maximum sentence of three years; he was sentenced to eight months in prison. (2015)[6][7]     Trey Radel (R-FL) was convicted of possession of cocaine in November 2013. As a first-time offender, he was sentenced to one year probation and fined $250. Radel announced he would take a leave of absence, but did not resign. Later, under pressure from a number of Republican leaders, he announced through a spokesperson that he would resign. (2013)[8][9][10]     Rick Renzi (R-AZ) was found guilty on 17 of 32 counts against him June 12, 2013, including wire fraud, conspiracy, extortion, racketeering, money laundering and making false statements to insurance regulators. (2013)[11]     Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL) pleaded guilty February 20, 2013, to one count of wire and mail fraud in connection with his misuse of $750,000 in campaign funds. Jackson was sentenced to two and one-half years' imprisonment. (2013)[12]     Laura Richardson (D-CA) was found guilty on seven counts of violating US House rules by improperly using her staff to campaign for her, destroying the evidence and tampering with witness testimony. The House Ethics Committee ordered Richardson to pay a fine of $10,000. (2012)[13][14] Judicial branch Mark E. Fuller (R) U.S. District Judge was found guilty of domestic violence and sentenced to 24 weeks of family and domestic training and forced to resign his position. (2015)[15][16][17] 2001–2009 (George W. Bush (R) presidency) Executive branch Scott Bloch (R) United States Special Counsel. pleaded guilty to criminal contempt of Congress for "willfully and unlawfully withholding pertinent information from a House Committee investigating his decision to have several government computers wiped …"[18][19] On June 24, 2013, U. S. District Judge Robert L. Wilkins sentenced Bloch to one day in jail and two years' probation, and also ordered him to pay a $5000 fine and perform 200 hours of community service.(2010) [20]     David Safavian (R) Administrator for the Office of Management and Budget[21] where he set purchasing policy for the entire government.[22][23] He was found guilty of blocking justice and lying,[24] and sentenced to 18 months. (2008)[25][26]     Lewis Libby (R) Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney (R). 'Scooter' was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Plame Affair on March 6, 2007 and was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000. His sentence was commuted by George W. Bush (R) on July 1, 2007. (2007)[27]     Lester Crawford (R) Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, resigned after 2 months. Pleaded guilty to conflict of interest and received 3 years suspended sentence and fined $90,000. (2006) [28]     Claude Allen (R) Director of the Domestic Policy Council, was arrested for a series of felony thefts in retail stores. (2006) He was convicted on one count and resigned soon after.[29] Legislative branch William J. Jefferson (D-LA) was charged in August 2005 after the FBI seized $90,000 in cash from his home freezer. He was re-elected to the House in 2006, but lost in 2008. He was convicted November 13, 2009, of 11 counts of bribery and sentenced to 13 years in prison. (2009)[30] Jefferson's Chief of Staff Brett Pfeffer, was sentenced to 84 months for bribery. (2006) [31]     Jack Abramoff CNMI scandal involves the efforts of Abramoff to influence Congressional action concerning U.S. immigration and minimum wage laws. See Executive branch convictions. Congressmen convicted in the Abramoff scandal include: Bob Ney (R-OH) pleaded guilty to conspiracy and making false statements as a result of his receiving trips from Abramoff in exchange for legislative favors. Ney received 30 months in prison. (2007)[32] Duke Cunningham (R-CA) pleaded guilty November 28, 2005, to charges of conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion in what came to be called the Cunningham scandal and was sentenced to over eight years in prison. (2005)[33]     Frank Ballance (D-NC) admitted to federal charges of money laundering and mail fraud in October 2005 and was sentenced to four years in prison. (2005)[34]     Bill Janklow (R-SD) was convicted of second-degree manslaughter for running a stop sign and killing a motorcyclist. Resigned from the House and given 100 days in the county jail and three years probation. (2003)[35]     Jim Traficant (D-OH) was found guilty on ten felony counts of financial corruption, sentenced to eight years in prison and expelled from the House of Representatives. (2002) [36] The list goes on and on for decades

@Drwas: It is unclear if Trump understands the implications of mentioning the “made-up Russia story” in the same sentence that he discussed his reasons for firing Comey. If Trump were to admit that he fired Comey because he was irked by the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign’s possible connections to Russian election interference, he would be admitting to obstruction of justice. That same charge was what ultimately led to President Richard Nixon’s resignation. Nixon was investigated for obstruction of justice for his hand in covering up the break-in at the Watergate Hotel. With this latest gaffe, the parallels between the two presidents have become more glaring. First, if what has been "reported" by such venerable news organizations as the WaPo or NYT can be relied upon, the investigation was begun because of an unreliable dossier that was prepared for opposition research. No intelligence agency ANYWHERE has found it credible, so IF as has been reported and that is true, Trump is correct in being "irked" and questioning the already questionable judgment of Comey. Plus, the firing of Comey doesn't impede or obstruct the investigation, as was testified under oath by Acting FBI Director (and Democrat) McCabe. Also, Grassley AND FEINSTEIN that Comey did inform them that the President is NOT under investigation. So, as was laid out by Rosenstein, there was just cause to fire Comey, and even if he was investigating Trump, Trump could still fire him for his mishandling and job performance elsewhere. Otherwise, every FBI agent would undertake investigations of every president the moment the election is over for job security. That is a ridiculous notion! Second, as has been pointed out by many legal experts, firing an FBI Director is COMPLETELY different from firing the AG, the Dep. AG and a Special Prosecutor. Any attempts to link them are not born by reason or logic.