@bi4smooth Umm, you are the liberal, and we can see that you guys are the fascists. Hell, even your guy, Honest Joe admitted that he's an authoritarian dictator. I'll accept being called a Trumpite because there is nothing wrong with that.

@raphjd said in CDC: 397 Children Suffered Heart Inflammation After COVID-19 Vaccine: @hubrys AH, so the change was fairly recent. I mean, they for some reason, could not make it clear for the previous year. Let's not forget that the WHO has also played politics with C-19. I'm sorry, but your characterization of the NIH, CDC, and WHO as making many of their public-health decisions based entirely for political reasons is myopic, cynical as f**k, and hyperbolic. - In other words, just like most of your other preposterous claims! LOL All 3 of these organizations are primarily staffed (though not necessarily LED) by SCIENTISTS who are seeking facts and truth, not political points. The politicians they support are the ones that give them the money to do their research. Most of these scientists are so focused on the science - not the politics. And sometimes they actually DO overlook the bad ways their discoveries can be used - because to them, knowledge is the goal... the ONLY goal. I will repeat: the Moderna mRNA technology was being developed pre-COVID-19 as a potential treatment or vaccine against HIV. That research continues, and so - with the extreme success rate seen with the re-tooling for COVID-19 - the hope for something that works as a defense against HIV is there and palpable. Of course, those results will be politicized - but while the politicians argue, the scientists will go back to work figuring out the NEXT BIG THING.... because that is what they do!

@raphjd said in CDC Eviction Moratoriums are illegal says US Supreme Court: @hubrys Stop being a clown. Trump did not go against the SCOTUS ruling on EMs, Biden did. Until your dying breath, you are going to blame Trump for everything. You keep proving you are nothing but a total political hack. Once again, since you are a liberal. SCOTUS ruled on the case AFTER Trump was in office. Biden decided to violate that ruling. @raphjd You are such a tool of your right-wing conspiracy sources... 1 - There was no opinion in the case you constantly refer to here, just a finding that a specific law did not apply to a specific case. Nothing - nothing - was written to explain their finding, nor to create a precedent. The finding was that they couldn't agree to overturn the lower court, so with a 4-4 tie, the lower court (appeals court) ruling stood. 2 - With no explanation, there is no way to "interpret" the finding in the above case, except in the instance for which it was found. This is "unsettled law". 3 - It was Trump's CDC rule that was found to exceed what was authored in the original law - a law that has been re-written and re-passed since. NOTE: It doesn't mean Trump's CDC rule was good or bad, just that their legal basis for their rule was an "overreach" in the eyes of an appeals court judge (or, possibly a panel)... and SCOTUS couldn't agree enough to say either way! 4 - Biden's CDC (which is arguably, the same as the Trump CDC) issued a new rule to stop evictions. I don't agree with the rule (as I noted: where the f**k are the landlords supposed to get the money to pay the taxes, mortgage, repairs, etc.?? Many of the landlords I'm speaking of are INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, not corporations with deep-pockets... in many cases, this was people's retirement plan - and not only is the cash flow gone, but the "principal" is too! They've been foreclosed on - in many cases by the TAX-MAN!) 5 - In response to an earlier post: NO, the NIH is not entirely political - but they have, in recent history, been dragged into political arguments. Also, as the HEAD of the CDC is a political appointee, there can sometimes be overlap. That is a LONG WAY from being entirely political Indeed, I would propose that the CDC (and NIH) are mostly a-political, but their findings get used by politicians when it suits them. Is the new moratorium on evictions (for non-payment of rent due to COVID-19) a political rule? Or a public health one? If you asked me to, I could reasonably argue either way. And that is the true nature of humanity - most things are NOT clear-cut, binary observations. There are usually nuances...

@bi4smooth I know all that. So we are agreed, the Mayo Clinic lied. Also, in a few previous discussions, people have said that literally, no one was saying that.

My oldest brother.. who tried and failed to steal my house with forged documents last year.. Is EXTREMELY liberal. In his entire life, he has intentionally taken the opposite position on everything that is rational. His idol was Mike Stivic (Meathead) on "All In The Family" portrated by Rob Reiner who is much more liberal than his character Mike Stivic. My theory is that white liberals tend to be people who reject common sense, and believe they have some superior knowledge that supercedes reality.

@kekkaishi said in C-19 and the liberal hivemind: That's the definition of NPC @raphjd said in C-19 and the liberal hivemind: This picture only shows 5, but there are more than 100 such posts on the Twitter. Notices they aren't retweets. Likewise with Facebook. Nearly identical quotes from supposedly different people? Not hardly... Certainly there are break-thru cases of COVID-19 - the same as kids who have been vaccinated against measles can still get a slight case if someone in their school get it! The danger (in school) isn't that it starts spreading because one kid gets it... the danger is that, even though nearly everyone WILL get it if it is brought into the school environment - and some of those kids (and adults) will not have been vaccinated, and so will get very sick (and possibly die).... Vaccines don't stop you from getting the virus, they simply prepare your body so that when it is invaded by the virus, you don't get so sick (or possibly even sick at all). Did none of you take Biology 1 in High School? Did they not teach you how viruses and infections spread? Geez!

@serenity said in Trust the science: @bi4smooth I don't think that "science" change, but the results do, when we get smarter. And what is wrong about getting smarter. Some people have always had a problem with science, because it conflicts their world view. It has been that way for centuries. Absolutely science changes... Heisenberg changed how we measure things. Newton changed our understanding of mass vs. weight (they are NOT the same). Hawking changed how we think of and measure time. But separate from how science itself changes, the conclusions we make from scientific studies changes... especially when we base our conclusions on limited data... and we got that in spades with COVID-19: everyone was clamoring for answers, so the scientists gave them what they had: knowing the data was incomplete. And that made them wrong... wrong far more often than we like hearing that scientists are wrong! There is an acronym often used in computer science: GIGO Garbage in / Garbage out When you have small sample sizes, your conclusions can be thrown off by the smallest of anomalies... but that is the beauty of science - we LEARN from our mistakes! We (scientists) challenge our assumptions and SEEK to prove our theories WRONG! (You can seldom prove a theory is valid, but you can often prove it wrong! The more people try - and fail - to prove a theory is wrong, the more accepted as "probably right" it becomes!

@kekkaishi I watch Tim Pool daily, as well.

@serenity It's odd that Denmark and Australia, share that quirk. Maybe it's a reference to classic liberalism and not this modern authoritarianistic "liberal" crap.

@raphjd Sorry my mistake. I was confused by the "s".

@manhandler And I and many others declare that Biden is illegit. No excuse for that fuckwad. Trump is the President. Their mandates are garbage and their edicts are the same.

@raphjd Yea these guys are full of shit.

@raphjd We know, they are trying very hard to make us support it more.

@manhandler Well your numbers are not right. Sweden had new cases per week 21 people out of 100.000 people. It is still low compared to other European countries, but not zero. Also Sweden has imposed more strict restrictions the last few months. I know, I live next to Sweden.

@manhandler Maybe it is so in your country, but most is fine in my country. And 68% is vaccined here and 94% want the vaccines. So we are happy that the covid19 will be gone in my country soon.