That's not true! What he said was that there weren't sufficient numbers to draw ANY significant conclusions! That's not the same as "no evidence"... not by a long-shot! Also, the shots have been shown to be SAFE in children over 6-mo in age. So let's take a step back here... a LOT of children get COVID and have only mild symptoms (e.g.: cold/flu-like symptoms)... many have no symptoms. Are you proposing that - BEFORE we allow or support the distribution of the vaccine to children, we should intentionally expose test subjects (kids) to COVID to see how many get hospitalized or die? The nut-job, conspiracy-theorists out there keep making the expectation that these vaccines (and the tests behind them) must be "miraculous" to be "worth it" - and that's just plain bullshit! MOST children didn't die from chicken-pox (they were just scarred)... but many DID die... so we developed a vaccine... one that in the later days of the 1950's and early ones of the 1960's had plenty of instances of bad side-effects. But we still vaccinated nearly all of our children! The RISK from the vaccine was worth the REWARD of healthier, better-looking (non-scarred) kids! We don't have sufficient NUMBERS yet to show whether the mRNA vaccines reduce hospitalizations or death of toddlers and infants... but we DO KNOW that they are shown to be safe, and that they generate the same immune response seen in adults. Rand Paul (an ophthalmologist, not an infectious disease expert... hell, Paul hasn't practiced since 2010! I wouldn't even see him for an eye problem now! Do you think the science of eye care hasn't changed in 12 years? He's been OUT of practice longer than he was ever IN practice!) is well aware that the medical field WILL NOT "certify" that medical treatments that work in adults will work the same way in children until a lot of data is collected to make that conclusion. They are very protective of children, and what they will approve for their treatment - far more so than for adults! So he leverages the fact that Faucci (and other NIH and CDC doctors) will "couch" their statements about children - because there isn't sufficient evidence yet - and purposefully re-casts their comments as-if they're purposefully trying to harm kids. Look, the Trump Administration's response to COVID-19 was a complete shit-show... and the Biden Administration hasn't been much (any at all?) of an improvement. So, what does that mean? It means the Presidency didn't have (and doesn't have) a lot to do with the Public Health Infrastructure's response to disease! (In other words: stop blaming Trump - or Biden - this is a Government Bureaucracy problem, not a Presidential one. Of course, that discounts the whole "inject bleach" comments Trump made, but that's a one-off...) Look - we don't have ANY PROOF that atoms exist the way Neils Bohr, Albert Einstein, or other theoretical physicists say they do... but we DO know that when you force certain kinds of uranium together with an explosive force, you get a really REALLY big explosion - which FITS their theories, but doesn't PROVE them! And we don't have any PROOF that these vaccines will protect kids from COVID-19, but we DO know that when we give them the shot, there are no new side effects, and their measurable immune responses are in-line with what we see in adults... so it FITS the theories that it will help them, but it doesn't PROVE them....

@raphjd Look! A dog peeing in grass! This is not uncommon Governmental business... he hasn't issued any new orders, just proclaimed that he COULD! It's a "threat" to try to goad the airline industry to do more to address the problems EVERYONE has been facing (in the US) with airline staff shortages (esp. flight crews!). Just an aside, so you don't think I'm anti-airline: To maintain your pilot status/rank for a specific aircraft type, you have to FLY that aircraft type a minimum number of hours per year. Failure to maintain the hours means you lose your "license" to pilot that aircraft until you re-certify (not a short, and not an inexpensive process). COVID-19 grounded a LOT of planes - some of them were "mothballed" (that is: sent to long-term storage facilities in the desert). You don't just trot out to the storage facility, gas up, and take off! There are a LOT of steps necessary to re-certify an aircraft before it can be put back into service! (not a short, and not an inexpensive process). Flight crews (pilots, co-pilots, flight attendants, etc.) are not generally staffed by stupid, untalented, UN-ambitious people! When they were furloughed by the airlines during COVID, they didn't go home and pout - they found other jobs! And a LOT of them actually found BETTER jobs! So, long story short: airlines don't have enough planes OR crew to maintain all of the routes they already have, much less add new ones... and 2022 is looking like a RECORD year for travel! OOPS! BTW: The Buttigieg statements are no better or worse than Trump's constant threats to sue people - before, during, and after his Presidency! In other words, this is a common tactic... in business, politics, government, even on the elementary school playground (if you don't do this, I won't sit with you at lunch today!)

@raphjd It is said that when Jesse James was asked why he robbed banks, his reply was "that's where the money is"... Pedophiles are naturally drawn to jobs that put them in contact (preferably in control of) children! Priests & ministers, teachers & coaches, scout & other "youth group" leaders... even police! Any position that puts the adult in close proximity to, and esp. with authority over, children! Parents must be ALWAYS vigilant when entrusting their children to the care of other adults... I was a Boy Scout leader (several positions, including Scoutmaster of a Troop, and District Training Chair on a larger scale)... the former Boy Scouts of America went a long way towards eliminating child abuse in their organization with a very simple concept - one I taught my children for years AFTER I ended my affiliation with the BSA: two deep leadership It comes down to this simple rule: There is never a good or reasonable time for 1 adult (not the parent) to be alone with 1 child. There must always be someone else within easy & direct view, if not earshot. It's not a perfect rule - it didn't eliminate all abuses, but it eliminated most of the opportunities for abuse... no opportunity, no abuse (usually)... And again, I taught my own children to follow this rule: never meet an adult alone "behind closed doors" - ask a 3rd person to join you, or decline to meet with them. And stand your ground! A person who does NOT wish to harm you will not object! My views on the punishment of this teacher are pretty gruesome... most involve a very messy death (pedophilia is not really "treatable" much less "curable" - this guy will ALWAYS be a danger to children!). But as with my abortion views shared earlier in another thread, I don't expect my own personal views to be enforced on others.... prison (life * 3 - until his corpse degrades to ashes?) will have to do!

@raphjd Assuming Roe v Wade is overturned later this summer, some 26 States will make abortion outright illegal - instantly! Some have "trigger laws" - laws that only take effect once Roe v Wade is overturned Some have already passed legislation that far exceeds the current SCOTUS rules, but are expected to be upheld. I will re-iterate my beliefs on this topic: Abortion as birth-control is barbaric and an anathema to my moral compass... "Exceptions" for rape & incest are absurd - this would be the ONLY area of law where a living being (a fetus) can be punished (with a death sentence) for the crimes of their father!! Some (many) abortions are NOT for simple birth control - there are complications (malformations, changes in the fetal and/or mother's overall health. These kinds of abortions do not offend my moral being... I believe that my views on abortion are good for me and my life I do not believe that I have the right (moral or legal) to enforce my morals onto other people. Some MAJOR RELIGIONS believe that abortion prior to "survivability" is OK - by their moral compass - and who am I to enforce my morals onto them? If it is determined that it is OK for one group to enforce their morals on other groups, be prepared when you have to start chanting prayers and smoking weed every time you cook a chicken (Rastafarianism & Santeria)! (Oh, and ALL male children MUST now be circumcised! It's a moral/religious requirement)????? Absurd... The STRENGTH of your religious belief doesn't increase (or decrease) the limits of how much you can force others to believe as you do...

@raphjd So many people (mostly younger - but I know that will come off as ageist) take "the easy way out" - they don't put in the "real" work, but expect to get the "real" results! It's one thing to have a "lazy" reporter ... it's another thing entirely to have a reporter who just makes shit up! This should have been caught earlier... as you mention, USA Today has an excellent reputation to protect... they did the right thing, taking down all of her stories that didn't check out 100%... but this should have been caught earlier! This doesn't make the whole paper suspect... but it is a black-mark on an otherwise mostly-clean & generally trusted record... those black marks can be VERY HARD to get rid of!

@raphjd Yeah - that is the sad thing... uh-huh...

@raphjd I see - so, it was ONCE TRUE, but - even though the entire situation has changed - it's still "news" to you that AOC said something stupid. If your point was that AOC is a Leftist nut-job, I won't argue that point! She is! Undeniably so! If your point, though, as most people would infer from your title, and the actual video, was that she was actually holding up legislation... that was false. Provably so. This is so typical of you... YOU: "I got hit in the head by a falling apple! The sky is falling!" OTHERS: "No, that's just an apple, and you were just unlucky. The sky can't fall, it's actually an optical illusion. There is nothing really up there, but space." YOU: "But there are apples, and the sky is really far up there, and there are apples!"

Chesa Boudin, despite being backed by Soros, cries that it was Billionaires who funded his defeat. He won his seat thanks to Soros, a Billionaire's money. Also, this is the son of domestic terrorists, co-founders of The Weather Underground's Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, both convicted murders. When his parents were sent to prison, he was adopted by fellow domestic terrorists co-founders of The Weather Underground, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. Bill Ayers is a political hero of Obama. Obama even admitted that he got his political idology while sitting on Bill Ayers' living room floor.

@punknaked-0 I'd love to see the evidence of that; ie it's worse than DNC areas. PS: Normally, you'd get a 7-day forum (not torrent side) ban for posting a request anywhere on the site, but I didn't want it to be confused with punishment for disagreeing with me in this thread.

Also, if I was as bad as you want everyone to think, it would have banned you for much less and certainly for posting this discussion.

@serenity I guess you are referring to what Liz Cheney "quoted" from the tweet, but intentionally left off the rest of the tweet. We also went through the same shit with Russian collusion, where the left went on MSM claiming they have absolute proof that Trump colluded with Russia, but in Shifty Schiff's secret hearings in the bunker, they said the complete opposite. Tucker Carlson did a great segment on this where he showed their TV statements and read from their sworn testimony from the bunker. He even provided links. All of you lefties actively refused to watch the segment because he said something you guys didn't like. When I posted about the 51 "intel experts" lying AGAIN, I once again brought up the Tucker segment proving they lied, but you lefties refuse to watch the segment and claimed they didn't lie, because if you close you eyes, it didn't happen. It's like with kids and the monsters under their beds.

@serenity Trump won in 2016. Depending on the US it's generally 18, though some states continue child support as long as 25 if they are in full time education. You are arguing about something that is US-related, so of course, that is how I am going to look at it.