Torrents with few seeders forever stalled
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Has anyone else had this where there's say, one seeder, and one leecher (you), and the torrent just never, ever starts? Is this a common thing? Is it just me? Sometimes I'll have enough points to make a torrent freeleech and then eventually the stream will click over into download and allow me to get it when "enough" other seeders appear.. But I don't have enough points to always do that as a workaround. I find it odd and frustrating. A torrent I was sitting on for a long time went dead because the last seeder pulled the plug after the system just never connected us.
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@BannonHarpsi Yup. I assume you don't have port forwarding enabled. Without getting into complicated details, at least one person in a swarm has to have it. If neither you nor the seeder has, what happens is exactly as you describe.
Do you use a VPN? If not, you should be able to configure port forwarding for yourself, though you're obviously taking a certain risk torrenting without one.
If you do use a VPN, does yours offer port forwarding? Many don't. Some do at a premium. If yours does, configure it. If there's an option to add it, decide if you want the download(s) enough to pay any additional costs. If yours just doesn't offer the facility, seriously consider changing provider when you next get the opportunity.
A workaround, if you do use a VPN, consider turning it off for just those few torrents where you meet this problem. That's what I did for a few, before I got my port forwarding sorted. For a little security, I used a completely different client just for those torrents. It mostly worked. I was able to immediately seed three torrents to another member who had been trying to leech for ages. Unfortunately, for some reason I wasn't able to grab the one I actually wanted. So I guess there can be other factors at play too.
But since I got a VPN which gives me a port forward number, I rarely get stuck unable to download stuff, and I'm nearly always uploading at my full speed, because others find it easy to connect to me,
As to the freeleech workaround, it's highly likely that the torrent starts once there are a few more leechers because one of them, at least, has port forwarding.
I've been getting frequent reseed requests from the same user for a torrent I no longer have. On closer examination, it was exactly the situation you described. One seeder shown, one leecher - I assume the person requesting the reseed. I decided to join the torrent as a leecher again. Pretty much immediately, I started leeching, and the leecher is leeching from me. It's pretty slow - current estimate to finish is 3+ days - but at least he's getting it.
I'll even put my money where my mouth is. Give me the links to one or two (smallish!) torrents you're having problems with, and I'll join and see if we can get things kickstarted.
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@Kevin4fm Thank you so much for explaining the nature of the problem to me! Okay. At least I have practical steps in mind, now. The one I'm really salivating for is this one. If you can help I very much appreciate it, but no worries, if not! The info takes a weight off my mind. https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=PZGcXrbwJolSTeDfYW_7ug
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@BannonHarpsi there is a topic here that is meant to help revive torrents in this exact situation: https://community.gaytor.rent/topic/68141/at-risk-torrent-thread-official
whenever you come across a torrent that has very few seeders, you can just drop the link in that topic and wait for a mod to freeleech it, so you can save your own points. it's only for torrents with very few seeders, though.
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@BannonHarpsi It would seem that one has already been made freeleech while I slept, so there's little point me joining the swarm.
Do you have another example that hasn't been freeleeched, and that can be held off on being made so? Once there are multiple seeders and/or leechers it becomes impossible to test / demonstrate what I've said. If for any reason it doesn't work, and even if it does, there's no reason why it can't be subsequently made freeleech so that others who want it can do so.
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@Kevin4fm those mods work fast! Erm. There's this one! https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=lrG0Aa-rx6Z8wnjPqcsg4w
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@BannonHarpsi
VERY bizarre. For some reason, this torrent won't add to my qBittorrent. It doesn't give any errors or warnings. "Adds" like normal but doesn't then appear on the torrent list.Ignore that. A restart of qBittorrent cured whatever funniness was going on. I've now added that torrent. I'll check back in a while and see if it has started.
. . . . . A few moments later . . . . . .
I've started to download. QB's estimate is 16 minutes if the speed is maintained. I'm also uploading, I assume to you, though at a much slower rate. I'll continue seeding until you switch from leecher to seeder.
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@Kevin4fm You are a Prince!
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@BannonHarpsi OOh. I see I've reach 1:1 ratio, and there are now three seeders. So you have it, and thinking about it, it didn't even cost me any ratio. Win:Win!
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@BannonHarpsi Yep having the same problem...have reqested reseed three times, redownloaded the torrent, stopped, started, force start etc., and still stalled. showing 2 seeds, 1 leecher (me)...
I have port forwarding set, don't use VPN, and have not changed any settings anywhere...
Seems to happen with new torrent downloads mainly.... -
@Playmate What's the torrent?
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@Playmate OK. I've joined the swarm. There's no immediate activity, but it does often kick in for me now when there are only one or two seeders. I'll leave it for a while and see if there's any activity.
If not, it's available on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiyYx2BjR3c though I can only grab it in 360p at ~269mb.
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@Playmate The torrent has just completed for me. There's one leecher - which I assume is you - who I'm uploading to, albeit slowly as I'm seeding sixteen torrents right now, totaling my maximum upload speed.
I'll transfer it to my "Short Term Seeding" list, so you should get the lot eventually. You'll just need to be a little patient.
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Kevin4fm obviously you are very good a torrenting pitfalls and the solutions...and I am happy to say the one I'm taking is downloading....thank you very much.
I did see it available on YouTube, but I am not able to download from there ....I did look at the other obvious places, but nothing.
To be honest. I'm surprised that torrent files get uploaded and they never start just stay stalled.
the marvels of technology..LOLThanks again for getting this happening for me.
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@Kevin4fm download complete, conversion complete as well...have also just watched ...great movie, kinda not what I expected in a couple of ways, but all the same enjoyed it. Will keep it seeding for the time I normally seed and hope others might take it and enjoy it as well ...Cheers andthanks again for the help.
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@Playmate It might be worth just double-checking how you have port forwarding set up. I'm no expert, nor have any particular knack that I'm aware of. I just got frustrated by exactly the same thing you described, eventually learned of the importance of port forwarding - which no-one seems to have said much about until recently - so found a VPN service that provides this (Proton).
Almost instantly, multiple torrents with only me seeding that a single leecher had been trying to grab for weeks started working. Likewise, with this one and a few similar, while others couldn't grab it I did so within a short time of connecting.
Anyway, glad you got it eventually, and that you enjoyed it.
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I made this freeleech because of the low number of seeders and the availability of the ressed button.
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Now that the tracker has IPv6 as well, there's a little more than just port forwarding that is needed. Port forwarding works wonders for IPv4, but if you're using IPv6, you also need to enable incoming traffic using the destination port that your torrent client uses in most cases. This is because as a security policy, incoming traffic on IPv6 is usually only allowed if it is related to an existing outbound connection that you have made.
The reason for this is quite simple... While there is no such thing as a NAT on IPv6 (and therefore, no such thing as port forwarding), there is usually a firewall in your router that is much more restrictive, since clients connecting on IPv6 are effectively directly exposed to the internet. In most cases, if you do not specifically enable incoming traffic on the destination port that your torrent client uses for IPv6, you'll have the same kind of problem as you have with IPv4 without port forwarding enabled.
It's a bit of an annoyance, but I'd rather have to go into my router and add two filter rules (one for TCP and one for UDP) to allow forward traffic on the destination port that my torrent client uses than to have the firewall go the other way around and allow ALL incoming traffic, thereby exposing all of my devices directly to the internet, many of which do not have any sort of firewall protection.
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Damn! Just when I was starting to think I'd got my head around it all!
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