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also that duplicate rule is useless when some1 breaks it ... end of ...
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also that duplicate rule is useless when some1 breaks it ... end of ...
@john32123666 Why is it useless? When something is spotted, you simply report it using the link specifically for that purpose. And, assuming it actually is a duplicate, the person reporting it gets a 50pt seed bonus. They're harder to spot, of course, when someone decides to use a different title and/or file name, and I do sometimes wonder if this is deliberate.
I would say, though, for such an 'important' rule, it's not particularly well defined. I've read it multiple times both before and after uploading a torrent deemed a duplicate and other than the .mp4 : .mkv issue - which is not mentioned - I still contend they weren't duplicates. Except one where the original was a dead torrent, rechecked over more than a week before uploading, where the original uploader (or someone) subsequently seeded it, so mine was judged to be the duplicate.
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...when posting, to avoid duplicate issue from being reported from different format, write MKV @ the end of the torrent title ...
I've had conversations with moderators following the 'duplicate' takedowns. One was considered a duplicate even though the .mkv file had a softcoded subtitle track not included in the .mp4 + .srt version. With another, I was specifically told that .mkv and .mp4 are not considered different formats.
Other opinions are also available. They're not right, obviously, but they are available.
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No, MKV and MP4 are not the same file format. While they are both "container formats" that hold video, audio, and subtitle data, they differ significantly in their compatibility and features.
M4V: Developed by Apple, this is essentially identical to an MP4 but often includes digital rights management (DRM) for copy protection.
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@john32123666 I agree, but I'm not the arbiter. I was told by a moderator they are, and that was why my torrent was deleted.
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@Kevin4fm I am not gonna dispute anymore but that rule is stupid and pointless if no one follows ...
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@Kevin4fm I am not gonna dispute anymore but that rule is stupid and pointless if no one follows ...
We'll have to agree to disagree on that then. A rule is only pointless if it is both ignored AND not enforced. I know both from personal experience, and from seeing torrents I've grabbed and was seeding suddenly disappear, that it most definitely IS enforced. That simply takes someone spotting it, and taking thirty seconds to report it.
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Have a great day or morning Kevin, I am not gonna ruin my day on these topic I have things to do ...
It's becoming futile .. end of ...
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well i dont judge and i didnt even report it. i just asked why... if the difference in size were +50% then i would understand why they did it
also the mkv reuploader even included the original link if someone wants that in mp4
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@jokuihmemies i judge
that mf had me create a new filter for all my rss feed entries to avoid automatically downloading that garbage, if this is allowed then it's time to change the rules! -
...when posting, to avoid duplicate issue from being reported from different format, write MKV @ the end of the torrent title ...
I've had conversations with moderators following the 'duplicate' takedowns. One was considered a duplicate even though the .mkv file had a softcoded subtitle track not included in the .mp4 + .srt version. With another, I was specifically told that .mkv and .mp4 are not considered different formats.
In a case like that, then it's a different ball of wax. If there is a distinguishable difference in the content, then it is not a duplicate, even if the format container is the same and the size difference is less than 10%
For example, if one of the uploads is only 720p, but the other is 1080p (or 4k vs 5k), then it is not a duplicate. If one version has subtitles built into the video itself, but the other is just the video itself as is, or has subtitles in a different language (built into the video file itself), then it is not a duplicate. If both versions of the video itself have the same audio and subtitles, but one is built into the video itself, and the other is the standalone videos as is with a separate .srt file, then it is not a duplicate. When it comes to adding picture sets or other .srt files, generally it is accepted as a dupe if the video file itself is the same, but the only difference is the .srt. This is most especially true if the video file itself is just the video with the same audio, is less than 10% different, and does not contain any subs at all. You can however add subs as a separate torrent and reference the torrent they belong to in the description so users can piece them together themselves.
MKV is a bit of an oddball thing as far as I understand it. As it was explained to me, MKV can consist of any number of format containers within a package essentially, so it becomes a bit more challenging to define. There is a lot of inconsistency in that regard when it comes to MKV.
The biggest key to not getting zapped as a dupe in error when the size difference is less than 10% is to be specific about the specs of the video, and if the specs aren't clear in the description of what would be the original torrent but you know them to be different, then it always helps to reference the original in the description of your upload and explain the difference.
If the specs (like resolution, subtitles, etc) are not specified in both of the uploads, then the only thing we really have to go on when reviewing the report is the format container and size difference.... So the more specifics you can give, the better.
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@MrMazda Fair points, which I'll ensure I take onboard next time I upload something that could, at a simple first glance, be so considered.
I've only had three struck down out of more than two hundred, though most of these were obviously not duplicates of course. Only one of these (I think) was genuinely a duplicate - based on .mkv = .mp4. The others weren't, and I was told "well they are", even after I pointed out WHY they weren't after they'd been deleted. But I'm sure moderators et al have enough to do without getting bogged down in discussions like that, so I'll just take your advice in future and make it very clear why my torrent is not a duplicate of another, even if it might appear to be at first glance.
I do think, though, that clear guidance on the .mkv issue should be included in the upload rule. Either it is a duplicate or it isn't. If it is, is it only .mp4 that it might be a duplicate of? Is it a duplicate if it's a single file containing multiple softcoded subs, and the other is .mp4 with no softcoded subs but half-a-dozen .srt files - matching what's softcoded in the .mkv - included in the torrent?
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@Kevin4fm a mod cannot make decisions based on the container alone, because being MKV doesn't equal to having soft-coded subs. For example take a MP4 movie, add chapters marking each scene and make it a MKV, the video stream is 100% identical, but one has a thing that the other doesn't... And still the file sizes are virtually identical. Would that be a duplicate? If you ask me, I have no fucking idea, glad I'm not a mod
Because the duplicate rule is for very simple cases, it must be extrapolated for edge cases, and mods will inevitably resort to their own discretion to decide. One mod probably would delete what another wouldn't, following the exact same rule, like a soccer referee.
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@ianfontinell I agree for the most part. The simple instruction to include, clearly why "this" .mkv is different to "that" .mp4 + .gb.srt + .sp.srt + fr.srt is reasonable, especially given a mod needs to be able to make that determination fairly quickly, and other things - size, resolution, etc. - might otherwise make it look so.
My "issue" is that I suspect many, as I did, will start from the basis that a .mkv containing softcoded English and Chinese dubs, all in one file, is a different format - and therefore not a duplicate - of a torrent containing a .mp4 + those two .srt subs.
I do, though, feel there should be a clear note in the definition of "duplicate" that an .mkv IS considered a duplicate of a .mp4, UNLESS it contains additional elements not included in the original torrent, and that these differences should be clearly stated.
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