Centralized Freeleech Discussions
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Ok the economic attitude is actually even too pervasively widespread to pretend not to understand it. A thing i was thinking to instead, was the possibility of foreseeing a reward system for the freeleech time increase. Exactly as it already exists for the seedpoints for traffic. Actually the seedpoints cost if I wanted to make a torrent freeleech for 6 hours is exactly the double of the one requested to make it freeleech for 3 hours. If it was a little less than exactly the double one could feel more inclined to choose the longer times. This could be useful for the revitalization of old and/or neglected torrents with a little number of seeders ^-^.
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@Uwe:
The idea of our Freeleech is not that much to buy Freeleech for "me" (alone) to download it cheap(er) than using seed bonus points for upload credit, but to make it free for all members to download.
You may sponsor one torrent to be free, so will do others with other torrents you like. Think community dynamics.
The tracker backend does not allow to control Freeleech for individual peers. It is free for all or for nobody. That make it impossible for example to let a torrent started downloading while Freeleech by a member, letting fully free download once the Freeleech time is over. That is a know system limitation.
The current rate to make a torrent freeleech got both a file size and Freeleech duration component. However as it is the product of both, new small torrents needing short durations to complete are very cheap (a few SBP) and big old awfully expensive (above 10000 SBP needed).
I've made a proposal to adjust the above by using a kind of sum of size and duration and to introduce an age based reduction.
Other ideas are an auto promotion once a torrent is made Freeleech and a reduction of the rate for the original torrent uploader.
Not sure what will be implemented, though. however for sure we need the current implementation to learn and improve from it.
Ok Uwe I'd restart from here
Thx all btw for the nice answer you have given to my reviving attempt of the fine Timmy Ehegötz's Bedingungslose Liebe :hug2:.Btw I'm actually sponsoring a six hours freeleech of Ozon's Les amants criminels :cheesy2:.
But sure these selfish intiatives should be someway coordinated before for a better result. Mebbe via forum or chat :blink:. Any ideas? ^-^ -
Some little notes I put here. Move if OT thx.
Nice Andy Wharol initiative. Thanks Staff ^-^
The Skoonheid long lasting freeleech torrent appears to me dead since yesterday for some reason.https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=162663
Some interesting at least for me torrents for a possible revival still don't show the freeleech option like here:
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=19945
Ciao
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Ciao, agis!
Skoonheid / Beauty (2011) is not dead. It has 1 seeder and many leechers. The reason it might have appeared as dead for a short period, is probably because the only seeder went offline for a while. It looks OK now.
But there's another version of the same movie at a different size (also freeleech) and this one has many seeders:
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=134129The second movie you indicated, Socket (2007), has (as ALL torrents) the option to become freeleech. The reason this option does not appear to YOU, is because you don't have enough seedbonus points to make it freeleech. The freeleech option will also not appear to any other torrent you don't have sufficient SBP to make them freeleech.
I hope this answers your questions.
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That highlights as well that Freeleech points are more efficiently spend when used on well seed torrents, which download can be finished in short time.
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Yes thank you bears the answers are clear. I've of course presumed without certainness, that some freeleech initiatives belong to the Staff since you'd personally need a considerable seedpoints fire power to make a torrent freeleech for155 hours. I'm personally persuaded that a collaboration amongst users possibly via forum could also be interesting for common interest initiatives not depending on the Staff. My individual Ozon's attempt was successfull and kindly sponsored concerning "Criminal lovers" cause I had deliberatley chosen a movie with 8-10 seeders. But a double attempt of reseed of "Sitcom" with 67 PMs got unanswered and of course it would be a pure and ruinous individual waste of seedpoints to make such a torrent freeleech before a well done coordination I think. Of course these are all personal opinions that you will take as they are.
Natura non facit saltus :hehe:
Ciao ^-^
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What about allowing people to donate in order to get more points instead of bandwidth exchange. This way people could use their points the way they want too, to either make a torrent freeleech or exchange towards their bandwidth or even gift seed bonus points.
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@Uwe:
That highlights as well that Freeleech points are more efficiently spend when used on well seed torrents, which download can be finished in short time.
So the most popular torrents become even more popular and the rest are left to languish?
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I see what you mean. Indeed Freeleech torrents are without surprise quite popular. Unfortunately many members show a hit and run behaviour on them.
With well seed, I didn't mean tons of seeder. About 5 should do. There are many older with 5 or more seeder, no leecher for long time.
It was rather meant as a tip to spend the seed bonus points efficiently. On torrents with only one seed, the download rate can be anything from zero to some mega bytes per second. With a handful of seeds it is more likely to get a decent download rate.
We promote many older torrents to the top of the list (promoted torrents have the recycle sign ♺), made freeleech. Often these have no downloader for long times. I hope there is something for any taste.
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Attention: It is no longer possible to download Freeleech torrents without download rights.
This has been changed to stop the "hit and run" with no efforts to improve the share ratio by members without download rights.
Therefore low share ratio warned members should take care to improve their share ratio again, else the won't be able to continue to download once the period expieres until they reach again the minimum share ratio.
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hello to all, completely understand the hit and run part, but what about if the user is unable to really keep up with the ratio (because torrents to be uploaded are already in the database "duplicated" or the uploading speed is limited, etc) and that user is interested in one particular torrent and will like to spend his own bonus point to make the torrent freeleech and then he is unable to download the file he made freeleech.
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@ maruad: Sorry, but you only have to "give" 35 % of what you leech. This is really possible for everyone, no mather what reason someone may create! Just try to seed a torrent a bit longer than only one or two days and you will see, that your ratio will be more than o.k.! ^^
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i think, his intention was to point out the fact that users were used to make torrents freeleech and download them. in this case there is no accuse against them, since they offered their bonus points in exchange to leeching the torrents. the user wants to say that now, after the change, even if such a user offers his bonus points, he makes the freeleech for others, but he can't download it for himself. good point, i will ask admins if this can get fixed …
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The point is, amice, that the ratio rules shouldn't be overruled by any options - not even with an option, that a user spent his seeding points, to download this torrent. On the other hand, the users should be informed, that it is still nice to make a torrent freeleech, but it will not give them any advantages over the ratio rules.
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but the "over-ruling" was just the intention. it wasn't a "mistake" or sort of that. we just didn't expect that users would abuse the system so widely.
it was meant as a help just for low-ratio users to get some torrents and seed. nobody ordered that only fresh torrents
have tocan be free-leeched, this was a logical mistake of those who made these torrents 'FL'.as for announcements, yes, you are right. but if you can imagine the admins' frustration from users' misbehavior, you can understand the "distant approach".
we will try to make these announcements more visible …
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Most likely will have to adjust the calculation of points needed to make a torrent freeleech in a way that fewer are needed for old torrents and more for new.
It was only posted in this topic that freeleech torrents can be downloaded with download rights suspended (post removed), so was it that it is over at the moment. We now have to observe the statistics if it has the intended effect.
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I started downloading a torrent that was freeleech but I soon discovered that the only seeder had a slow connection.
The remaining freeleech duration was about 2 and a half hours, but according to my BT client, it would take many more hours for the download to complete.
So I went to the torrent's page to spend some SBP so that the freeleech duration can be extended.
But I discovered that I was not given such a choice!
So I had to wait for 2 and a half hours and then make the torrent freeleech again.
It would be nice if we could extend the freeleech duration of a torrent without having to wait for the freeleech status to expire. -
@Dax:
It would be nice if we could extend the freeleech duration of a torrent without having to wait for the freeleech status to expire.
this is a known issue, already on Tom's to-do list. meanwhile you can set your torrent client to stop before the freeleech expires, and continue the next day when you have a time to.
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A change to the Freeleech:
Torrents can only be made Freeleech 48 hours after their shown upload date and time.
This may seen as a disadvantage, but it has as well a positive aspect. 48 hours after upload a torrent is usually very well seed and already a little freeleech duration should be sufficient to download completely. It will avoid as well the points been wasted if the only uploader going offline during the initial seeding on a torrent being made freeleech.
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Just a thought or 2.
Instead of 48 Hours, why not the number of seeders? Some torrents have dozens of seeders only an hour or 2 after upload, where others still seem to lack seeders, possibly due to the genre, maybe day of the week, etc. If a torrent has a set number (10) after only 2 hours, then it is most likely going to be leeched by alot of people and seeded back by many within the 48 hour window, and more likely to see people stop seeding and moving to the next as they think it has plenty of seeders to allow them to stop.
Similar some torrents seem to still lack seeders 4 or 5 days after, yet can be made freeleech when it is clear the chance of getting the torrent down in the free period is impossible.
I appreciate that it has as much to do with connection speeds as seeders, but maybe if a torrent has 10/15/20 seeders it should be open to being made free whether it's 1 hour old or 1 month old.
As for dead and dying torrents what about making them freeleech until they reach a certain number of seeders? By this we are talking torrents that are say 6 months or even a year old, thus getting more people to download them and make them available. If they are in a separate (dead) freeleech section, they won't be hard to find, people can just search through for what they want or what they want to help re-activate. If not "freeleech" then maybe "reducedleech", for example downloading the file only takes 10% of the normal size, this would stop people doing a hit and run, as they would all want to seed back at least the 10% (20% 25%) to cover their ratio.
Maybe it could be possible to give people a bonus for seeding dead/dying torrents to help keep them alive for longer or get them back into use.
People leech what they want to see, and hopefully seed it back. Not many, if any, leech stuff they don't want just to seed it back for the community. Maybe some sort of pick of the torrents/special feature section where say a dozen or so low seeded torrents could be listed, made freeleech/reducedleech, to get people to leech/seed them wether they want them or not would help. Maybe double the seed point bonus per hour till it reaches a set number of seeders
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