Gay or straight?
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What do you think about Gay for pay? Does really need porn industry this kind of porn? Are the actors straight or hide their bisexuality? Do you like some series from this kind of porn or have favourite actor/s?
I dont like this kind of movies, because I miss chemistry between actors, but nevertheless I like movies with Girth Brooks for his looks and body.
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I do find the concept a turn on. Although in reality, I've only seen a couple of masculine looking 'straight' blokes who seemed the genuine article, 'The Guy Site's' Chance being one of them, his awkwardness in the scenes is endearing and a turn on. On the other hand, there are a multitude of titles purporting to show supposedly real straight men endulging in all manner of sexual activity, but the actors are clearly no stranger to cocks.
JakeC asked 'does the porn industry need this kind of porn' … why not! you might as well ask 'does the industry need fisting, foot fetish, or bisex videos?' If it turns enough people on, is legal, and it makes enough money for a healthy profit, it will be made. Is it right or wrong? who cares, sexual orientation is in the eye of the beholder when it comes to both gay and hetro porn. After all, porn is built on selling a fantasy, however unlikely.
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Great topic. A similar thread can be found here also.
http://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=3351 -
After all, porn is built on selling a fantasy, however unlikely.
Yeah, I agree, but… Why the companies needs actors, who plays homosexuality, when the porn industry have enough gay actors, who have no chance to „shine“ in movies, because straight man, in example, looks better? I give priority into movies, who actors are maybe „uglier“, but sex between them is more spirited.
Maybe gay for pay actors can show, that homosexuality is natural and break down barriers, but I dont think so. Which straight people whatch gay porn? I never heard about someone. Rather they will think, that to be a gay is a „lifestyle“ or a „choice“. And it isnt so. Its hard to say, whats on this thing is positive or negative.
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you said it martini20. let the market speak for itself. although, it's not really my thing, i can certainly understand the popularity of it.
i think most of the gay-for-pay guys are attracted to men to a certain degree. after all, i don't think i could be straight-for-pay unless it was a serious chunk of change and a bunch of viagra.
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after all, i don't think i could be straight-for-pay unless it was a serious chunk of change and a bunch of viagra.
Very good point bluehue, there must be some degree of curiousity with them in the first place. Although there may be some that are really are desparate for money for whatever reason.
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Very good point bluehue, there must be some degree of curiousity with them in the first place. Although there may be some that are really are desparate for money for whatever reason.
That being said, I would require relatively less money and viagra me to be a bottom for some bitch with a strap-on. From what I gather a lot of these gay-for-pay dudes bottom more than top–especially when they're starting out.
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According to this March 16, 2009 interview with Howard Stern, Barrett Long claims he is straight…right before he whips out his cock and performs auto fellatio for the HS crew. :rotfl:
hxxp://www.howardstern.com/rundown.hs?d=1237176000Censored pic from that interview
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** I started a new topic on this subject in error today and the moderator put it here: I have a few new ideas and I will now comment on what precedes here:
RE: Gay for pay: I mostly agree with someone who said approximately "anyone can have sex with anyone" for sexual release. What goes on in prison is proof of that. (continuing their quote: But who you love and want to be with is your orientation.) I also read that Western civiilzation (Europe & USA) much more than other cultures 'forces' people to choose to identify as either Gay or Straight. To say it another way, many other cultures understand the sexuality is fluid for some. It is hard for me to imagine a guy getting fucked in the ass JUST for the money, but then people do lots of things for money all the time.
But my hunch is most of the guys like Gay sex, they just can't admit it because it is so taboo in our Western civilization. Even the 30% who are straight per the HBO special - in my personal opinon that is probably a high estimate –think about this: most boys at a young age think a pussy looks disgusting. But something changes at puberty or whatever and most guys go pussy crazy. Not sure why, since it would seem anal sex is pretty close to vaginal sex and I don't know how a blindfolded man would tell whether he was fucking (or esp. getting a BJ) from a man or woman ? I would go further and say if a man can eat a pussy - which the jokes about the smell are endless right? - I can't imagine that same man would have problem sucking a nice clean dick. I do have a couple Gay male friends who did eat pussy and said it was like (shit I can't remember - something 'stale' or 2 day old damp grass ? and of course NEVER AGAIN ) but they said the fucking wasn't so bad. They succumbed at least partly to social pressure "how do you know you're Gay if you've never been with a woman? Although the reverse statement never is seriously considered!
And of course the 30% HBO number doesn't account for all the guys who figure out much later they are really Gay. How many of these just stay married since they now have entangled finances and kids and somewhat satisfy their Gay urges by have sex with men at the rest stops and in the parks? There are raids all the time catching married men. But remember even before you know what sex is you know you're not supposed to like boys, not supposed to look at the bulge in their underwear or look at boy's cocks in the shower at gym so it mostly just social or religious pressure to not have sex (AND LOVE) with men.
So my bottom line conclusion - some people can say "I love you" marry etc., clean out another person's bank account, kill rape and maim. So yeah, some guys can fuck guys for money. But I don't think that many men are truly Gay for Pay only.
***** below is today's post: (a few different thoughts with questions I'd like answered by others:)**I was checking out one of the pay-per-view sites for movie titles the other day, since you can actually see many more photos than here (to pick out a good movie to download here at GT.ru) and I was amazed to see hundreds and hundreds of titles that I've never seen here. Maybe thousands.
Then I thought - all of these 10's of thousands of guys can't ALL be Gay for Pay. Or are they? Or are there tons of guys who are really Gay (in porn and maybe their true orientation) but then closeted in their daily lives? What comes to mind, there is a studio that specializes in Slavic guys, very prolific producer. Handsome, muscular guys, beautiful smiles, hair.. Except I noticed that when they give each other head, they only take the tip and it looks kinda mechanical. Same for the kissing. Fucking ? Oh yeah, these guys can nail that. So I can't help but think that most these guys are Gay for Pay.
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Ehm, we already have in the forum two topics about "gay4pay" and "gay or straight" porn actors, discussing the same thing:
http://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=12028.0
http://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=3351
I guess, can we merge those three different topic in just one of that?
Thank you very much for the answer :hug2:
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Topics merged now and don't feel foolish fancydude. The entire topic of Gay for Pay is beyond my understanding. Pay is an easy excuse to closet oneself. At the least they are Bi and that is rare that one is truly BI as I find there is always a preference one way or the other. -
Leatherbear - I removed the one where I said I was foolish not to search for a topic (before posting a new topic) and then I read your reply. I didn't think it would let me do it, but I just tried it anyway!
Well, like I said in my updated 'reply' above, people will do anything for money, including pretend to love someone, clean out their bank accounts without losing a wink of sleep. Granted, this is the tiny minority of people (I hope!) - shoot, I read a story (in the regular printed newspaper!) about a guy fucking his own wife on her cancer bed. The daughter got suspicious and put a noise activated tape recorder under the bed. How insensitive is that - the woman is dying in pain and her pig of a husband has to get his rocks off. So yeah, I think there is Gay for pay, and maybe we actually agree after all, that it is just very few.
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I stand by the motto of if you like to stick a dick up your ass, you're a fag!
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I stand by the motto of if you like to stick a dick up your ass, you're a fag!
And what about the total tops, the ones who never take it up the ass? :ok1:
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Closet case…. That's all I'll say
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I don't know Mr. M - $4,000 vs. $500 in a straight porn movie….to fuck a guy - that is a lot of dough for a few hours work (they say there are-takes, and many angles etc.) There's no possibility that a few might be Gay for pay at that kind of salary? I already did say I agree with Leatherbear that MOST guys who say they're straight and do Gay porn are Gay.
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Gosh that's nasty!
Sometimes it breaks my heart to know my favourite gay porn star is gay-for-pay or straight.
But hey, that might b the reason i m turned on. Most gay porn stars dont have the 'personality' or 'characteristic'.
U know like those atitude that turns you on. The masculine thing going on. Its so attractive. -
The funny thing about the straight younger category is that you can see a lot of czech supposedly gay actors doing straight porn.
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Let's talk about the reverse how many gay guys are making straight porn? More than you imagine, and well I allways remenber those guys from blacks on boys, they also do blacks on blonds and so on, the industry is about acting and well it would be better to have true gay couples, however that does not happen all that often, and the gay public wants the straights hunks barebacking, it's the opposite of what reality should be but it's what they perceive has the ideal atraction, and that says much about how fucked up some priorities are, when you are atracted to what you'll never have.
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dmcuk said it perfectly:
"Well I don't think of "gay sex" as being "gay". For me, calling a person gay means they fall for men, love them, desire them etc. Sex with men is different. Any man and have sex with any man or woman - the terms "gay" and "straight" have nothing to do with it."Men do what they do, and maybe the proverb "at night, all cats are gray" applies. Gore Vidal said there was only sex, not gay sex or strait sex. If
a man fancies men in general, rather than women, wants sex with men, etc. then that emotional and intellectual attention is gay-oriented. If a man
is simply hard and ready, it's not about who gets him off or how he gets off so much as it is about how much he wants to get off, with details like
the gender of the partner being irrelevant.Jeff Stryker is strait, had a big court case to get custody of his son. Casey Donovan, perhaps the first gay porn star, did a bi scene once. He called it "acting." Rugged rugger stud Colby Jansen says he is not strait but won't define himself further and obviously enjoys sex, period. Whether he's fucking women on camera or is in bed with his wife, he doesn't seem to feel restricted or limited. And occasionally bottoming doesn't make him one whit less macho and manly and studly. Real men can do anything or anyone they want, and they are still men. Back in the day, maybe Stryker could not bottom and keep his reputation, but that was then.
Since they ARE men, whatever they do is, by definition, something a man does. By now everyone must know that drag queens are often tops, and that het men sometimes enjoy packing their wedding tackle into lacy panties or even use dildos on themselves or enjoy playing with a woman wearing a strap on– and using it. We do what we do. Labels are no more meaningful than a person thinks they are.
What gets me is men so insecure they can't handle a perfectly friendly and nonsexual male embrace lest it raise doubts about their manliness. Some of the active duty US Marines in Bobby Garcia videos (and others) on this site may be horny and/or need the money, but most of them quickly get over the idea that if they cum on camera with another guy, they are so threatened that they are no longer interested in heading out later to pick up pussy at a local bar, now that they have some mad money in their pocket.
Somewhere here there is a (web?) series of interviews with male porn actors, and boyish Johnny Rapid talks about being a fast, vigorous fucker
with his girl friend (I believe they have a couple of kids together). For all that he seems to bottom most of the time, that is not the only role he
plays, and I like seeing him top as much as I like, say, Tommy Defendi on the bottom-- handsome, hung, macho, manly, hairy, and just as able to get off as when he's doing what made him famous. Some bottoms apparently prefer that role with men because they cannot get it up reliably in order to top a dude, even with hetero porn vids playing for their encouragement.Actually, a lot of these guys who claim to be bi or strait should be allowed or encouraged to do some strait porn and show how they treat women. And an awful lot of the SoCal surfers and Camp Pendleton Marines who come back repeatedly for the easy bucks would be really worth seeing in action as these breeders fuck pussy and get paid to show us what they do for fun in private with the opposite sex. Makes me hot to think of all the experience and skill they bring to the solo sessions and partnered orgasms they have on camera.
And then there's tattooed Kurt Lockwood, who made his name as an absolutely reliable performer with women. He's probably fucked more virgin female ass than most men in the profession, but ChiChi LaRue paid him enough to do an all-male scene. In several justifiably legendary videos, sometime actor and MTV host Simon Rex reveals himself to be a real fapmeister for the man behind the camera and the dudes paying to watch, but he tells himself out loud at one point that he's performing alone and no one else is touching him or being touched.
Like actors in legit theater who have to be funny every night even if their dog or mother just died, and who have to make an entrance in credible tears, even gay men in gay porn tell themselves whatever they have to in order to get the scene right. How is that any different from being hired professionally to do a gay scene?
Actually, lots of gay actors play straight romantic leads in Hollywood. Rock Hudson is hardly the only famous example. And Neal Patrick Harris did just fine playing a womanizing lothario on the telly. Even Wolverine has played gay in movies and on stage, because he is an actor and a professional. Mark Wahlberg, when young, dedicated a book he "wrote" to "my dick" and has come a long way since he refused to do a gay kiss for fear it would hurt his stud cred on the street. He has since apologized for that ignorance. And right now coming to a pay channel on the electronic television machine is an all-star cast of Hollywood Hunks and Stars in a new version of Aids activist Larry Kramer's angry groundbreaking tearjerker, "The Normal Heart." Gay Matt Bomer and Hetero Mark Ruffalo have some passionate male scenes together that were very intimate and challenging, but I'll bet they are also very believable and convincing, too.
I guess I'm thinking that if hetero actors can play gay and have convincingly realistic sex when a script calls for it, there's no particular reason why actual sex should be any more of a challenge. When you're hot, you're hot, right? Jim Carrey, Ewan McGregor, and Matt Damon have all played sexually active gay characters without women getting turned off. No, it's not the same as Ron Jeremy doing a gay scene, but then, who wants him to? And the money, at least for repeat offenders, is excellent.
Most men would have a helluva lot more sex if they weren't scared of what some judgmental shit might think, that's all. If a man knows how to use a deep throat effectively, except for whatever nonsense might be in his head, what difference does it make what equipment is belong the cocksucker's neck?
Grrr. Too many words. Again. My mind wanders. Does any of this even make sense?
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