Nike is celebrating Pride Month by partnering up with a doctor who performs mastectomies on adolescent girls

raphjd

Scottish law says that 14 is the minimum age of responsibility for criminal acts. You can't be charged for any crime below that age.

I knew right from wrong long before that, but Scotland is weak on crime unless it's saying something mean on the internet.

Spintendo

@raphjd said

If an 8yo is completely competent enough to take puberty blockers and get bits chopped off without parental consent,

This is indicative of how you mix truth with fiction. Saying an 8-year-old can determine whether or not they take medication is not the same as an 8-year-old deciding they can have surgery .....which does not happen by the way. Point to one guideline established by anyone of your hated medical authorities that says surgery can and does happen before the age of 14.

Spintendo

@raphjd your tangent on the inequities of Scottish serial-rapist law notwithstanding, do you still believe that the 5% should dictate what happens to the 95%?

raphjd

@Spintendo

The minority frequently dictates the majority. It's the bedrock of modern western societies.

Just because an 8yo doesn't "need" surgery at that age, doesn't mean that it's not legally allowed.

You could say that abortions without parental consent don't happen at 8yo but if an 8yo did get pregnant and wanted an abortion without parental consent they would be allowed to have one.

Spintendo

@raphjd I didn't ask you what "frequently" happens as far as minority and majority. I asked you for your opinion on whether 5% should dictate for the 95%. Do you feel that that's fair? I want to know your opinion, how you feel about it.

I believe that deep down inside you feel that there is a certain fairness which should apply to everyone. In your arguments you're constantly pointing to other examples saying "but see ... they're supposed to do it this way, and they don't ....see how screwed up it is?" That's one of your bedrock arguments.

Which leads me to believe that you feel there should ideally be a level playing field. In any other circumstance you would say that 5% dictating to the 95% is garbage. And you would be right. it's a shame you can't admit that in this case

Rojo1990

@Spintendo said in Nike is celebrating Pride Month by partnering up with a doctor who performs mastectomies on adolescent girls:

@raphjd so to use your trans people-serial rapist comparison (since that comparison apparently comes easy to you) if I were to ask you at what age you believed serial rapists actually "became" serial rapists (as a defect in their minds) you would probably say by the ages of 12 or 13. The age when most people realize that hurting other people is wrong is about 8 to 10, if not way earlier. That seems to be the age when people start to form ideas of whether they identify as male or female, wouldn't you agree

What 8 Y/O is having bottom surgery?

bigjohnv12

The studies done back up that masses of trans people detransitioning though

In 2022 a UK a survey of 3398 attendees of a gender identity clinic found that just sixteen – about 0.47% – experienced transition-related regret. Of these, even fewer went on to actually detransition and become detransitioners.

In the US, a survey of nearly 28,000 people found that 8% of respondents reported some kind of detransition. Of this 8%, 62% per cent only did so temporarily due to societal, financial, or family pressures..

In Sweden, a fifty-year longitudinal study on a cohort of 767 transgender people found that around 2% of participants expressed regret following gender-affirming surgery, although it is unclear how many of these participants were detransitioning as a consequence.

In the Netherlands, a study of transgender young people found that only 1.9% of young people on puberty blockers did not want to continue with the medical transition.

Spintendo

@Rojo1990 said
What 8 Y/O is having bottom surgery?

Just to be clear, transitioning care involves two components: pharmacological treatment and surgical treatment. In the US, almost all medical authorities advocate pharmacological treatment start no earlier than 8 years old. Surgically, no earlier than 17 years old.

Thus, no medical authority in the USA advocates surgical treatment for 8-year-olds.

raphjd

@Spintendo

Gender surgeries are done before 17 in the US.

Also, 17 is not a legal adult.

Spintendo

@raphjd said

Gender surgeries are done before 17 in the US.

Where's your proof

raphjd

@Spintendo

That clinic in Boston had it on their website that they did it from 15.

Spintendo

@raphjd "that clinic in Boston"

??

Spintendo

@raphjd are you referring to the Boston children's hospital?

raphjd

@Spintendo

Yeah. I just found the name for it.

They were doing "top surgeries" for 15yos and "bottom surgeries" for 17yos.

Spintendo

@raphjd At Boston Children’s, we are proud to be home to the first pediatric and adolescent transgender health program in the United States, the Gender Multispecialty Service (GeMS), which has cared for more than 1,000 families to date.

Is that the one?

raphjd

@Spintendo

Read my previous post.

Spintendo

@raphjd I see. And you're sure that they perform genital surgeries on patients younger than 18 ?You're sure about that?

raphjd

@Spintendo

Libs of TikTok busted them on their claim that they didn't do gender surgeries on minors. They had to change their website to their new lie, but that too meant they do gender surgeries on minors.

raphjd

@Spintendo

Their website may have changed since the scandal, but they said they do top surgeries on 15yos and bottom surgeries on 17yos.

Spintendo

@raphjd interesting. So you're saying the hospital that has an explicit statement on their website that says they don't do surgeries under the age of 18 You're saying that they're lying and that the proof we have that they're lying is something posted on TikTok. ?