You are trying to play games.

You liberals created your own trap. You say that 8yos are mature enough to make life-altering decisions, but at the same time tell us that the brain is crap until 25.

You want to trans kids as early as possible and be extremely weak on crime.

You want to have your cake and eat it too.

It's an old saying.

It's first publication dates back to Queen Elizabeth I's rein.

The original saying was "you can't have your cake and eat it too".

Let them live as the sex they claim to be until they are a legal adult

So says the man safely ensconced in his nature given gender appropriate body. Anyone not that privileged... screw em, right?

@raphjd said

You want to have your cake and eat it too.

Actually what you meant to say was I want to "eat my cake and have it, too".

We don't let a kid get a tattoo, not because of the possibility of infection, but rather because it's basically there for the rest of their life.

Let them live as the sex they claim to be until they are a legal adult when their brains are fully mature and they can make proper decisions.

If the brain is shit until 25, as liberals claim, then so be it.

You want to have your cake and eat it too.

Wouldn't that approach be beneficial for BOTH the 5% and the 95%

I'm not saying cookie cutters are bad... they work wonderfully for a whole lot of things.

There are very few things in society that should broach our standardized cookie cutter age limits that we have in place for things like voting drinking driving etc. trans care is one of them when it's done in capable hands, not the ones of the horror stories that you've heard about ...people who change their minds, they probably weren't in capable hands, unfortunately for them.

Just like people who die in plane crashes ....you would think gosh those planes crashing, that really should have been fixed by now..... yet they still crash... but each one makes us safer.

So, what you are saying is that an 8yo's brain works perfectly when it suits your agenda.

When it doesn't suit your agenda, their brains are crap.

Would a tattoo help you change your outlook? Would being a prostitute help you change your outlook?

Probably not because neither of those behaviors are ones that really help to counter a deep seated depression arising from being trapped inside a body that you don't feel is yours.

Getting a tattoo and being a prostitute are respectively, frivolous and potentially infectious. Maybe that's why there's age limit to those things (for prostitution, at least in Nevada... I don't believe there's an "age limit" anywhere else for that). The benefits to transitioning care for someone who feels trapped in their body is enormous and easily justifies the age restrictions already in place

Your comparison is rubbish, at best.

If the brain is shit until you are 25, then people should have to wait until they are 25 to do adult things.

If the brain is wonderful at 8, then allow anyone 8 and over to do whatever they want.

If an 8yo is competent enough to decide to take puberty blockers because an 8yo brain is so wonderful, we don't we allow them to become prostitutes? Why don't we allow them to vote and get tattoos? Why don't we allow them to get genital piercings?

You refuse to answer that question.

If a serial rapist can't go to jail because he wasn't 25 when he was finally caught, then the same standard needs to be applied to sex changes.

But by your own logic you're not applying that same standard

So the serial rapist wouldn't be punished for the criminal actions they wanted to take while under 25, so why are the 95% of likely successful transitions being punished for the criminal actions they want to take (If transitions were banned?)

Strawman

I said they should not be allowed to do them on kids.

As already discuss, liberals are weak on crime until 25 because the brain isn't fully developed. So by your own standards, you are performing sex changes on mentally deficient people.

If a serial rapist can't go to jail because he wasn't 25 when he was finally caught, then the same standard needs to be applied to sex changes.

@raphjd said

That clinic in Boston had it on their website that they did it from 15.

They did gender surgery at 15.

You tried making about a specific type of gender surgery.

It's not "breast reduction", it's breast removal.

Married at 16 with parental permission.

According to you, gay marriage should be illegal since it became legal when a majority of the US was against it at the time.

For all the people who can get married in the many many many states at the age of 16 I apologize to them on your behalf for calling them children.

Think you're splitting hairs here.... But this takes us back to that percentage of those people who are having these treatments and changing their minds. It's like saying gay marriage should be ruled illegal again because 5% of gay marriages end in divorce

@raphjd said

That clinic in Boston had it on their website that they did it from 15.

You missed out the part where they said they chop off the tits of 15yos.

BTW, 17 is a minor. So their claim that they didn't do any gender surgeries on minors was a lie.

The hospital’s website stated as recently as Aug. 12 that "to qualify for gender affirmation at Boston Children's Hospital, you must be at least 18 years old for phalloplasty or metoidioplasty and at least 17 years old for vaginoplasty," according to The Internet Archive's Wayback Machine.

That wording has since been changed to read, "To qualify for gender affirmation at Boston Children's Hospital, you must be at least 18 years old for phalloplasty or metoidioplasty and for vaginoplasty."

So that was the big lie......?

I still don't see people doing surgeries at 14 you said that was happening so where's your proof

Their website may have changed since the scandal, but they said they do top surgeries on 15yos and bottom surgeries on 17yos.

Libs of TikTok busted them on their claim that they didn't do gender surgeries on minors. They had to change their website to their new lie, but that too meant they do gender surgeries on minors.