Bipartisan Committee Votes Unanimously to Investigate DFL Senator’s Role in Voter Fraud
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Once again, you are afraid to say if you are claiming the article is fake news.
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@raphjd
I believe they were pointing out that the origins of the website you posted was suspicious. I pointed out that the link appears to be a Macedonian click-farm. That's what mediabiasfactcheck suggests on their page, that the site originates in Veles, Macedonia. Whether or not the information was "true" was not the point. It was how the information was being presented here, as a link to a click-farm.
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Regardless of the port of entry (Macedonia), the port of Origin is Putin & the Russian KGB.
This is par for the course.
As I pointed out: like most click-bait, the headline is somewhat misleading, if not entirely wrong. In this case:
- Senator implies US Senator, but no US Senator is implicated...
- DFL implies ties to the US Democratic Party, but is actually the Minnesota Democratic Farmer-Labor Party (though, in national politics, they caucus with the national Democratic Party). Just an aside: the DFL is "large and in charge in MN politics - holding nearly, if not, every statewide office... they are implicating one of their own here...
- Voter Fraud is highlighted in the title, but the voter fraud portion of the charges are minimal: they delivered mail-in ballots inappropriately. The real "ethics crimes" here are the misuse of funds... no small issue, but not in the headline!
Go figure!
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So, let me get this straight.
You are more concerned about the so-called "click farm" being the source rather than if the story is true.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if it was a left-leaning "click farm", you wouldn't care because you already support fake news.
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@bi4smooth said in Bipartisan Committee Votes Unanimously to Investigate DFL Senator’s Role in Voter Fraud:
Regardless of the port of entry (Macedonia), the port of Origin is Putin & the Russian KGB.
The Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project has some interesting information on a Russian named Anna Bogacheva, who was one of 13 Russian nationals indicted by Mueller in his Russia probe. She worked at the infamous St. Petersburg troll factory Internet Research Agency, at one point overseeing their US data analysis group, travelling around the US for about three weeks in June 2014. In 2015, she moved to....wait for it.... Macedonia. Still unsure what connections she had with these click/content farms, but nothing would surprise me.
Ms. Bogacheva's FBI poster:
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And yet, you still can't claim that they have been posting fake news.
The most you have is reposting right leaning content from other sources.
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@raphjd
Yeah, shes wanted by the FBI and everything she posts online is unassailable, stellar works of journalistic integrity and sophistication.And we can count on you to repost all of her links here in this forum (so her and her cohorts get their $$$). We, and they, are truly blessed.
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I just read why she was indicted; conspiracy to defraud the US government.
That was related to her vias application.
I think you are referring to the Mueller report bit about her "internet posts "interfered" with the US political system, including the 2016 election." She wasn't indicted for any of that is an actual crime.
If she committed a crime, then so did the MSM, Hillary, Fusion GPS, the DOJ, the FBI, and the 51 "intel experts" liars.
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Just thinking about it, but do you think that she is worse than the MSM, who spent 4 years lying about Trump at every turn?
The MSM/Big Tech colluded to prevent the Hunter Biden laptop from coming to light, until after the election. They interfered with the US political system and the 2020 elections.
Your beloved MSM/big tech should be seen as treasonous for doing what they have spent the last decade doing.
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@raphjd
Conspiracy to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the Federal Election Commission, the United States Department of Justice, and the United States Department of State. Bogacheva oversaw the data analysis group within the Translator Project of the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency (IRA), an organization allegedly engaged in political and electoral interference operations in the United States which included the purchase of American computer server space, the creation of hundreds of fictitious online personas, and the use of stolen identities of persons from the United States.These alleged actions were taken to reach significant numbers of Americans for the purposes of interfering with the United States political system, including the 2016 Presidential Election. Additionally, Bogacheva allegedly withheld employment information on her United States visa application and traveled to the United States in June of 2014 to collect information in support of the Internet Research Agency's operations. --- From the FBI Poster
The general conspiracy statute, 18 U.S.C. § 371, creates an offense "[i]f two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose."
MSM Big Tech collusion, you mean when they failed to identify foreign interference in the 2016 election? Absolutely, I agree. But that's all kids stuff compared to the criminality shown this past week in the Jan 6 hearings, news stories which have oddly escaped your attention, in that we havent gotten any links posted by you with fresh outrage over the hearings revelations. You must not have seen any of the hearings.
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MSM & Big Tech colluded (still doing it), with the DNC to spread lies, which interfered with the US political system and the last few elections.
Nice job on quoting the US statute, but it's extremely vague.
You are forgetting that countless people committed the same sort of crimes, to help Democrat politicians and other liberal causes.
I have ZERO faith in the political shit show run by political hacks and 2 losers pretending to be conservatives.
I'm still waiting for Shifty Schiff to produce his "absolute evidence" about Trump colluding with Russia.
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@raphjd said in Bipartisan Committee Votes Unanimously to Investigate DFL Senator’s Role in Voter Fraud:
You are forgetting that countless people committed the same sort of crimes, to help Democrat politicians and other liberal causes.
This is significant. "the same sort of crimes".
Which democratic president cast doubt on the election after it was over, tried pressuring state legislatures to appoint electors faithful to him, brought out fake electors and had them fill out fake documents, try to submit those fake documents to the VP on Jan 6th, tried to force the VP to throw out the election, and sent a mob to the Capitol to threaten lawmakers. Which one did that? If you cant name one, then it's not the same sort or crimes.
You'll mention the "fraud" that took place during the election. But you wont mention any deposed witnesses who testified to witnessing any of those acts, whereas the committee has hours and hours of testimony from hundreds of people who worked with Trump and his lackeys. Lots and lots of them.
Democratic fraud? I hear only crickets. The GOP had the perfect opportunity to present all of their election fraud evidence -- THEY HAD THIS COMMITTEE that would have heard their witnesses. But McCarthy said "nope" we're not participating. Why would he pass up a golden opportunity?
Lets hear your excuses, the ones that you pull out of your hat that I know you despise having to keep in that hat, the ones that blame MSM, big tech, "why havent we heard about the russian collusion" (oh and by the way does collusion need to be out and loud in the spotlight to have happneed? You're tacit acknowledgement of Macedonian content farms that "deserve your clicks cause of MSM avoiding things", well is that collusion? Its you helping them without you coming out and saying "here I am I'm helping them") Its you giving them the "wink & a nod". But you'll still say "wheres your evidence of the wink and the nod? where is it?
Ask me where the Trump crime evidence is. I wont respond with "whataboutisms" Ill give you the Jan 6 committee and the hundreds of testifying witnesses. And all you got is that hat.
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You are going way off track.
You are screeching about the so-called crimes this woman supposedly committed.
Nothing she did was any different from what MSM and bid tech did.
Just because the DOJ and FBI are dirty as fuck, doesn't change that fact.
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@raphjd
I found the evidence of collusion youve been asking for all this time. Schiff had said that the meeting with the Russians about getting dirt on Clinton was the proof he was talking about. And there it is, on page 110 of Mueller's report.On June 9, 2016, senior representatives of the Trump Campaign met in Trump Tower with a Russian attorney expecting to receive derogatory information about Hillary Clinton from the Russian government. The meeting was proposed to Donald Trump Jr. in an email from Robert Goldstone, at the request of his then-client Emin Agalarov, the son of Russian real-estate developer Aras Agalarov.
Goldstone relayed to Trump Jr. that the “Crown prosecutor of Russia . . . offered to provide the Trump Campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia” as “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
Trump Jr. immediately responded that “if it’s what you say I love it,” and arranged the meeting through a series of emails and telephone calls.
Trump Jr. invited campaign chairman Paul Manafort and senior advisor Jared Kushner to attend the meeting, and both attended. Members of the Campaign discussed the meeting before it occurred, and Michael Cohen recalled that Trump Jr. may have told candidate Trump about an upcoming meeting to receive adverse information about Clinton, without linking the meeting to Russia. According to written answers submitted by President Trump, he has no recollection of learning of the meeting at the time, and the Office found no documentary evidence showing that he was made aware of the meeting—or its Russian connection—before it occurred.
The Russian attorney who spoke at the meeting, Natalia Veselnitskaya, had previously worked for the Russian government and maintained a relationship with that government throughout this period of time. She claimed that funds derived from illegal activities in Russia were provided to Hillary Clinton and other Democrats.
Trump Jr. requested evidence to support those claims, but Veselnitskaya did not provide such information. She and her associates then turned to a critique of the origins of the Magnitsky Act, a 2012 statute that imposed financial and travel sanctions on Russian officials and that resulted in a retaliatory ban on adoptions of Russian children.
Trump Jr. suggested that the issue could be revisited when and if candidate Trump was elected.
Rick Gates, who was the deputy campaign chairman, stated during interviews with the Office that in the days before June 9, 2016 Trump Jr. announced at a regular morning meeting of senior campaign staff and Trump family members that he had a lead on negative information about the Clinton Foundation. Gates believed that Trump Jr. said the information was coming from a group in Kyrgyzstan and that he was introduced to the group by a friend. Gates recalled that the meeting was attended by Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Paul Manafort, Hope Hicks, and, joining late, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner. According to Gates, Manafort warned the group that the meeting likely would not yield vital information and they should be careful. Hicks denied any knowledge of the June 9 meeting before 2017, and Kushner did not recall if the planned June 9 meeting came up at all earlier that week.
Michael Cohen recalled being in Donald J. Trump’s office on June 6 or 7 when Trump Jr. told his father that a meeting to obtain adverse information about Clinton was going forward. Cohen did not recall Trump Jr. stating that the meeting was connected to Russia. From the tenor of the conversation, Cohen believed that Trump Jr. had previously discussed the meeting with his father, although Cohen was not involved in any such conversation.
In an interview with the Senate Judiciary Committee, however, Trump Jr. stated that he did not inform his father about the emails or upcoming meeting.
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There, now we can check that off your list as DONE. That argument can be removed from your hat. It doesn't work anymore because the proof Schiff was talking about was the meeting.
Doesn't that feel great?
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And yet, when he's asked about it, he doesn't mention it.
Mueller's report and Schift don't seem to say the samething
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So taking a look inside your old "excuses/arguments" hat, there appears to be only two left.
@raphjd said:
Nothing she did was any different from what MSM and bid tech did.
Just because the DOJ and FBI are dirty as fuck, doesn't change that fact.
Ok, so what we've got here:
(1) The crimes that person A commits are similar enough to crimes that person B commits, which then legitimizes person A's crimes as not really a problem for anyone.
(2) The criminal justice system is corrupt, which then legitimizes crimes commited by person's A and B because no one can be held accountable.
Have I accurately distilled your arguments? Please advise.
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Looking at these, I love it! you've built yourself an ironclad argument.
In step one, you grant certain people immunity, because "others do it too"
Then, in step 2, after you've let everyone off with no consequences, you then have the audacity to sit back and say "well hey, none of these people are being punished.... so whats the point of the FBI to do anything, its all corrupt."
LoL
Its strikingly banal in its simplicity. An unmovable bowl of crap. How do you do it? Its fascinating
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Ah, so you support a one-sided legal system.
Justice is supposed to be blind, not politically motivated.
The justice system you want is the same as we see under dictators.
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@raphjd
Woohoo, pay attention. I'm the one talking about your most used arguments.Justice systems, ummm you mentioned that. thats your argument. "the DOJ and FBI are dirty as fuck"
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