Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.
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@raphjd The law that applies here appears in every state: One is prohibited from distributing obscene materials to minors, and I provided Florida's legal definition of obscenity. Criminal charges would only apply if the book in question contained obscene material. Given Florida's definition of this, it would not appear that it does. As @bi4smooth reminds us, there are professionals who can be called on here.
The other item at issue is, "who decides what books [my] children may read?" Parents are the first line of defense. If Suburban Momzilla Karen doesn't want her children to read a particular book, she is within her rights to enforce that.
But she doesn’t want to stop there: She wants to govern the reading list for other parents’ children. Think about the inherent self-contradiction here: “I think parents should decide what books their children can read, so I want to decide what other parents’ children can read.” She cannot argue both for and against parental responsibility at the same time.
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I just want to say again - this is a Florida case...
Here's a fun-fact about Florida... we're up-to-our-nose-hairs in crazy people!
Case in point: Naked Clearwater man attacks woman on the other side of the state
And that's in TODAY'S NEWS... just google "naked man drives" and the top entries all talk about dudes in Florida! (I don't think it's legal to drive naked in this state, much less attack people with your car while naked...
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@bi4smooth said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
I don't think it's legal to drive naked in this state, much less attack people with your car while naked...
The Florida statues don't address specifically address driving while naked (would that be a DWN?), but it is a first degree misdemeanor to be "naked in public in a vulgar or indecent manner." This gives rise (!) to three questions:
- Is being in one's car on a public road considered being "in public?"
- Does being naked in itself inherently imply a "vulgar or indecent manner?"
- What is the definition of "being naked?" Florida law is silent on this.
I'm not going to research the case law here, although there are probably some amusing precedents. I wouldn't, myself, want to drive while naked: I always wear the seat belt, and the lower portion of such would be in position to saw off my gentleman's bits. This would be uncomfortable was well as unsafe.
(As an aside, the definition of "naked" is not as straightforward as one might think. Some time back I was visiting a friend of mine in Washington, DC, and he took me to a gay bar that had male "dancers." They appeared to be completely naked, but on closer inspection (!), I noticed that they were wearing socks--and I was told that this was to quash any accusation that they were naked.)
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@eobox91103 said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
@bi4smooth said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
I don't think it's legal to drive naked in this state, much less attack people with your car while naked...
The Florida statues don't address specifically address driving while naked (would that be a DWN?), but it is a first degree misdemeanor to be "naked in public in a vulgar or indecent manner." This gives rise (!) to three questions:
- Is being in one's car on a public road considered being "in public?"
- Does being naked in itself inherently imply a "vulgar or indecent manner?"
- What is the definition of "being naked?" Florida law is silent on this.
I'm not going to research the case law here, although there are probably some amusing precedents. I wouldn't, myself, want to drive while naked: I always wear the seat belt, and the lower portion of such would be in position to saw off my gentleman's bits. This would be uncomfortable was well as unsafe.
(As an aside, the definition of "naked" is not as straightforward as one might think. Some time back I was visiting a friend of mine in Washington, DC, and he took me to a gay bar that had male "dancers." They appeared to be completely naked, but on closer inspection (!), I noticed that they were wearing socks--and I was told that this was to quash any accusation that they were naked.)
ROFL - like 20 years ago (eek, maybe closer to 30?) I was visiting Indianapolis and was taken to a "private club" (I had to pay $5 at the door to get a membership!) and the dancers there all had something on - a sock, a headband, a glove.... something! But their "man parts" were all FULLY exposed, AND they would actually get ERECT during their act! (Probably the MOST explicit on-stage sex I'd seen to that point!) They never touched each other, but "members" certainly felt free to touch (caress? no poking, but caressing was allowed - but not directly on their dicks... but buttocks, nipples, etc were fair game!)... and this definitely contributed to the erections!
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@bi4smooth said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
20 years ago (eek, maybe closer to 30?) I was visiting Indianapolis and was taken to a "private club" (I had to pay $5 at the door to get a membership!
There was a similar law in North Carolina some years ago that prohibited bars from serving a "predominantly homosexual clientele" (or something like that). So, gay bars had to be "private clubs." I recall visiting a friend there and having a similar $5 membership fee. I also had to sign in...I signed as "Jesse Helms," a senator from that state with rabidly homophobic views.
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If a parent wants their kid to read porn, then they can buy it for them.
Schools, as low as elementary schools, have no business providing it.
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What is a LIBRARY?
just kidding.. but when I go to the library.. nobody bothers with the books anymore. They are there for the internet access, checking out videos, and maybe periodicals
Frankly, libraries are obsolete.
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I still find it obsolete how religion and state of affair are still so intertwine when both are suppose to be separate.
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@hubrys
So back to the topic. Have any of you read the book? I haven't but I downloaded it and Found these choice paragraphs:"He reached his hand down and pulled out my dick. He quickly went to giving me head. I just sat back and enjoyed it as I could tell he was, too. He was also definitely experienced in what he was doing, because he went to work quite confidently. He then came up and asked me if I wanted to try on him. I said sure. I began and he said, “Watch your teeth.” I didn’t want to let him know I was inexperienced. So, I slowed down and took my time and luckily got into a good rhythm. He didn’t know I was a virgin, and I did my best to act dominant like my favorite porn star. I was an actor, and this was my movie."
"I remember the condom was blue and flavored like cotton candy. I put some lube on and got him up on his knees, and I began to slide into him from behind. I tried not to force it because I imagined that it would be painful; I didn’t want this moment to be painful. So I eased in, slowly, until I heard him moan.
As we moved, I could tell he was excited—I was, too, but the pride in me told me not to show it. I felt like I was in control and proud of myself for getting it right on the first try—all the while still being nervous. I wanted to stay dominant in that moment. We went at it for about fifteen minutes before I started to get that feeling. Weakness in the legs, numbness in the waist. I finally came and let out a loud moan—to the point where he asked me to quiet down for the neighbors. I pulled out of him and kissed him while he masturbated. Then, he also came."
I found those with less than 10 mins of review.
If that doesn't change your mind how about looking at what the BIASED writer in the CNN article:
"A library should carry books for those teenagers who have the agency to choose books (by themselves) or for those parents who want their children to read certain books," Johnson said.
"You don't get to make that choice for all teenagers, you get to make that choice for your teenager, and your teenager only," they added.No teenager has free agency to make any choices. They are beholden to their parents until they reach the age of consent at 18. If parents want their children exposed to this sort of erotica they can purchase it or check it out from the adult section of the public library.
Government and/or Schools should NEVER expose something to a minor that parents object to. At the very least they should create an adult/parental consent section that is closely monitored by the library staff.
It is not CENSORSHIP to remove such content from school libraries. These are minors and their exposure or non-exposure is under the control of their parents not the Liberal school boards or teachers. Children are sent to school to be educated not indoctrinated.
PS I don't think that this shouldn't be read by questioning teens but their parents should read and discuss it with their teen. That is what I would do if I was a parent.
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This book was being provided to kids as young as 6, in elementary school libraries.
If it was obscene enough to threaten a mother with arrest simply for reading excerpts from the book at a school board meeting, then it is obscene enough to be banned from school libraries.
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I'm an atheist and I find it disgusting to provide porn to kids.
It's pedos that provide porn to kids, in order to groom them.
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@raphjd said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
This book was being provided to kids as young as 6, in elementary school libraries.
So far, we only have your repeated, but unsupported, statements that it was available in elementary school libraries. All of the articles I have read about this book refer to its removal from high school libraries.
So, show me where this book was in an elementary school library.
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@hubrys said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
So, show me where this book was in an elementary school library.
I was unable to find a elementary library listing for the book but I found this reference:
https://shawneemissionpost.com/2021/10/12/shawnee-mission-all-boys-arent-blue-133941/
In addition, Project Lit lists the specific book in question as a resource for children aged 12-18, and as 12-year-olds/ sixth graders in Shawnee Mission are in elementary school, concerns have been raised that the book could potentially be accessible by elementary school students. We have checked, and none of our elementary schools have this book. Again, it is not a book that is included in the curriculum at any level in the district.
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@geobear40 So, according to your article, the book was not available at any of that school system's elementary schools. It was included in a general list of books produced by an outside high school oriented literacy organization for use in out-of-school voluntary literacy clubs.
So, basically, raphjd is full of shit?
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@hubrys said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
So, according to your article, the book was not available at any of that school system's elementary schools. It was included in a general list of books produced by an outside high school oriented literacy organization for use in out-of-school voluntary literacy clubs.
So, basically, raphjd is full of shit?According to THE article, I didn't write the article.
Booksource, a book retail company, creates Project Lit book club lists and forwards these lists to educator and teachers telling them the books that should be in their libraries and classrooms. It is a marketing scheme to sell books that lazy Liberal educator and teachers eat up. These lists gives them more resources to indoctrinate children. If they were real teachers not advocates for a Liberal agenda they would dismiss this marketing as the shit it is. They would do their own reading and research and stop being spoon fed by others to make their job easier.
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https://sentinelksmo.org/board-candidates-reveal-graphic-sex-scenes-in-classroom-book/
An elementary school is promoting kiddie porn to elementary kids.
The supposed age group that is targeted is older than elementary school, so why are they listing the book?
It was in a 7th grade (12yo) classroom.
As noted in the article, this same school district is not opposed to banning books, they deem not woke.
Let's not forget that woke Facebook removed quotes from the book because it violated their decency rules.
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It was in Oak Park Elementary School library until it was removed.
Maybe you should use DuckDuckGo since they don't hide stuff from us as Google admits to doing.
This isn't the video I saw, but it's on topic.
NOTE: This is not the politics/debate section, so watch your mouth and tone or face a suspension or possibly a ban.
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"In response to questions sent by The Reporter after the meeting, district spokeswoman Christine Liberaski said Monday that “All Boys Aren’t Blue” was in the Oak Park library for five months during the 2020-21 schoolyear, but was never checked out by a student.
“Through investigation of the matter, it was found that the book was ordered after being researched and recommended as reading material helpful for students struggling with identity. After review of the book in August, it was removed from circulation (not last week as incorrectly reported) at the elementary school due to it not being developmentally appropriate for that age group. It was never read by the librarian to students,” she said."
[https://www.thereporteronline.com/2021/10/26/north-penn-parents-bash-board-over-books/](link url)
So, it was in AN elementary school, never checked out by a student, and then removed from the shelves after an investigation by the school district. This is your big evidence?
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It does not matter.
They provided a graphic detailed teen porn book to elementary (K-5) school kids.
So, grooming isn't bad, if it doesn't end up in actual sex acts, according to your logic.
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"Until I was eleven or twelve, I didn't realize there was a second set of labia on the inside, since you couldn't see them. What's even funnier is that I thought urine came out of the clitoris…When you're standing up, all you see from the front is hair. Between your legs there are two soft, cushiony things, also covered with hair, which press together when you're standing, so you can't see what's inside. They separate when you sit down and they're very red and quite fleshy on the inside. In the upper part, between the outer labia, there's a fold of skin that, on second thought, looks like a kind of blister. That's the clitoris."
In addition to the above, Anne Frank also talks about masturbation and her homosexual attractions. Yet we shouldn't ban this book as pornographic.
"This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes. I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples"; – Bible : Song of Solomon (7) : 7 – 8.
"11 “Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet in her lust and prostitution she was more depraved than her sister. 12 She too lusted after the Assyrians—governors and commanders, warriors in full dress, mounted horsemen, all handsome young men. 13 I saw that she too defiled herself; both of them went the same way.
14 “But she carried her prostitution still further. She saw men portrayed on a wall, figures of Chaldeans[a] portrayed in red, 15 with belts around their waists and flowing turbans on their heads; all of them looked like Babylonian chariot officers, natives of Chaldea.[b] 16 As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. 17 Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their lust they defiled her. After she had been defiled by them, she turned away from them in disgust. 18 When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her naked body, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister. 19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled." Ezekiel 23:11-21
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