Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...
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@bi4smooth Yes, I am. Your side has tried everything they can to stop the audit. If it was clean, they'd be saying, "here's all the records." And so would you. It's so obvious. Like kindergarten level children can understand. "There's no more cookies hunny." "Yes there is!" *Goes to get cookies when mom and dad fall asleep and breaks the jar.
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Liberals want to stop the audit because they have plenty to hide.
It's not about Trump, but protecting future voter fraud so they can stay in power.
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@raphjd said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
Liberals want to stop the audit because they have plenty to hide.
It's not about Trump, but protecting future voter fraud so they can stay in power.
No one's trying to stop the audit. There are no court challenges, there are no protests. You're arguing against a straw man.
No one pretends that the outcome of this partisan effort wasn't known ahead of time. Only the details remain to be seen. The real question is: just how far off the deep-end will they go? The farther they go, the less credible their results will be... but if they don't go far enough there may not be lucrative add-on contracts (with other States?) to follow! They need a balance!
But I say again: the "real" audits were done by the elections professionals - who, in AZ, happen to be Republicans.
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@bi4smooth You're just ignorant of the facts. Johan Pulitzer made a statement today that you can't have a fractional audit, (which they've done and you defend), because the fraud might be in a minor part that you didn't check. You have to do a full forensic audit, because votes are like money. If the bank is doing in audit, are they going to just count all the ten dollar bills, and forget the 20s 50s and 100s? No, they audit every single dollar. You're just wrong. You claim the fractional audits are legit and proof, they're not. They're fractional, and they know exactly where the fraud is so they avoid that part. Simple basic common sense, which you lack.
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Ok sweetheart, keep playing mental gymnastics as told to you by liberal MSM.
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@raphjd said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
Ok sweetheart, keep playing mental gymnastics as told to you by liberal MSM.
You keep arguing with your Straw Man... I haven't said once that they should be forced to stop the audit in AZ... all I've said is that they did an extremely poor job of setting it up and executing it - so poor that no one NOT ALREADY convinced of the fraud Trump claims is there will believe their findings are anything but a political hack-job. The facts won't matter... they've tainted themselves as overtly partisan already... even if there IS fraud -- on a scale large enough to sway the election -- no one (outside Trumpites already) will believe it. Thus, it's a waste of time and money.
That said, the guy who owns the company doing the audit is doing quite well! In spite of the outrageous real estate prices in Fla today, he'll be able to buy Mara Lago when he's done!
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Maricopa County has fought every inch of the way to prevent the audit, but of course, the "news" you get informed of doesn't tell you that. Oh no, they rehash the "Russia stole our election" bullshit from 2016.
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@raphjd said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
Maricopa County has fought every inch of the way to prevent the audit, but of course, the "news" you get informed of doesn't tell you that. Oh no, they rehash the "Russia stole our election" bullshit from 2016.
Yes, they tried (past-tense), and they lost in court.
Unlike Trumpites who also lost in court, but keep whining about it!
Next!
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You are clearly too stupid to have even a single clue.
For many people, it's not about Trump, despite your extreme TDS.
It's about honest and fair elections.
OH, and Maricopa County is still fighting the audit. Despite court orders to turnover modems and many other things, they are actively refusing. You know, nothing to hide and all that.
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@bi4smooth It's not a straw man, which you keep blabbering on about. Not one Democrat has challenged the fact that the audit is on 13 or so cameras, live for the world to see, totally transparent, triple checked. The only thing they can say is that the Republicans are funding it so therefore it's not legit. It's not only that, but they're giving tours to anyone interested to see if they aren't doing it right. They are doing everything under a microscope and showing everyone everything they're finding, so the idea that you'd complain is ridiculous.
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@manhandler said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
@bi4smooth It's not a straw man, which you keep blabbering on about. Not one Democrat has challenged the fact that the audit is on 13 or so cameras, live for the world to see, totally transparent, triple checked. The only thing they can say is that the Republicans are funding it so therefore it's not legit. It's not only that, but they're giving tours to anyone interested to see if they aren't doing it right. They are doing everything under a microscope and showing everyone everything they're finding, so the idea that you'd complain is ridiculous.
You don't actually read what I type, do you.
That's why I referenced a "straw man"...
The Arizona elections were already audited - by professionals - TWICE. Including a manual recount.
This ain't that - but my complaint isn't that it's happening... it's that it is so clearly partisan, and invested solely in proving that something DID happen - not in determining whether or not something happened.
Auditors don't go in looking for some specific cheat... they go in looking for the POSSIBILITY of a cheat! And they are (by their code of ethics) supposed to be just as open to the idea that there is no cheat, as that there is one.
This ain't that.
Republicans - more and more, even those in AZ - are beginning to say the same things...
Oh, and the millions of dollars being spent (mostly earned and kept by the miscreant owner of "Cyber Ninjas", Doug Logan - a Trumpite who said at the beginning of the process that he was there to find the fraud (not determine if there WAS fraud).
But this dude has been collecting $MILLIONS in "donations" - even though the VAST MAJORITY of the people doing the "auditing" are volunteers (e.g. unpaid).
And to be clear, the Republican Party of AZ is not a part of this farce, it is a group of AZ Republican Senators who are driving this "Crazy bus"...
But there is nothing illegal about this fraud (yes, in my mind, the one committing the fraud here is Doug Logan & Cyber Ninjas)... at least not yet. Once the precedent of this "hits the road" - and Democrats start doing the same things in future elections, this shit will come to a stop. "Freedom of Information" will cease to include actual ballots... (just my prediction).
But, for now, it is perfectly legal, if a colossal waste of time... esp since this is a "witchhunt" more than an "audit" (for the reasons I laid out above).
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@bi4smooth No, they were not audited fully or forensically. Period. They were audited fractionally. I posted a quote here by Jovan Pulitzer earlier this week that you ignore: "You cannot find fraud in a fraction. When a bank does an audit, they don't just count the tens. They count the twenties, the fifties, and the hundreds, every single dollar. The audit you refer to was not a true audit. Votes are like money." Say you audit 1,000 ballots in one county... What if the fraud was in the other 100,000 ballots somewhere. It's just ridiculous that you try to say such garbage.
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@manhandler said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
@bi4smooth No, they were not audited fully or forensically. Period. They were audited fractionally. I posted a quote here by Jovan Pulitzer earlier this week that you ignore: "You cannot find fraud in a fraction. When a bank does an audit, they don't just count the tens. They count the twenties, the fifties, and the hundreds, every single dollar. The audit you refer to was not a true audit. Votes are like money." Say you audit 1,000 ballots in one county... What if the fraud was in the other 100,000 ballots somewhere. It's just ridiculous that you try to say such garbage.
You stupid F**k... Maricopa County did a complete audit - and a complete manual recount - in the 2020 election aftermath.
I suggest you check your facts.
BTW: Georgia just told you and your ilk to go fly a kite... get used to it!
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@bi4smooth No. They did not. Why don't you put your teeth where your mouth is and back up anything you say? You can't. You just claim crap that isn't true.
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@manhandler said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
@bi4smooth No. They did not. Why don't you put your teeth where your mouth is and back up anything you say? You can't. You just claim crap that isn't true.
ROFL - A Trumpite, QAnon believer claiming others spout crap that isn't true.
Read any LEGITIMATE coverage of the Cyber Ninja audit - that includes the back-story of the Maricopa County Supervisor of Elections (a Republican), and you'll confirm my statement: they audited the results TWICE: once with a machine recount, and once in a manual recount.
The same happened in GA! Only in GA, it was STATEWIDE!
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@bi4smooth Oh really? Then why bother with a forensic audit using science and technology? It's just a bunch of unhappy Trump supporters that are unhappy with the results and can't let it go. Bullshit. We know thousands of dead people voted. We know that there were more ballots than voters. We know lots of things. And you're delusional. It's the fox guarding the hen house and it's obvious. You're just wrong.
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@manhandler said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
@bi4smooth Oh really? Then why bother with a forensic audit using science and technology? It's just a bunch of unhappy Trump supporters that are unhappy with the results and can't let it go. Bullshit. We know thousands of dead people voted. We know that there were more ballots than voters. We know lots of things. And you're delusional. It's the fox guarding the hen house and it's obvious. You're just wrong.
I don't claim to know all that much about the audits - I've not said that I have audited a single ballot.
I have repeated the statements of the Republican Supervisor of Elections of Maricopa County, AZ what she and her staff completed a machine recount "audit", and then a manual recount "audit" of the 2020 election results.... and found no evidence of fraud.
Those are her statements - I've never claimed them as otherwise.
The delusional part of this isn't the audit itself, but rather the belief that the result - whatever it is - is somehow going to trigger some cascade of events where Trump is reinstalled as President. THAT is delusional.
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@bi4smooth Oh, so you're basing your belief system off of politician's words. How stupid are you? I guess if it fits the narrative that you wanna believe, it's the truth. That isn't delusional AT ALL. Let's just all stand down and say, "the democrats and Rinos SAID, it's all good." They have no vested interest in power, whatsoever. Jesus you are fucking stupid.
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@manhandler said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
@bi4smooth Oh, so you're basing your belief system off of politician's words. How stupid are you? I guess if it fits the narrative that you wanna believe, it's the truth. That isn't delusional AT ALL. Let's just all stand down and say, "the democrats and Rinos SAID, it's all good." They have no vested interest in power, whatsoever. Jesus you are fucking stupid.
You just do not understand our Government, do you....
There really isn't any excuse for your level of ignorance, given the vociferousness of your claims.Supervisors of Elections are considered non-political. In many jurisdictions, the "party affiliation" of candidates is not allowed to be on the ballot. That doesn't mean that candidates cannot belong to a political party, but it does mean that the position is apolitical.
That said, just listen to yourself! I could understand a level of distrust if these Supervisors were Democrats... but they aren't! And in GA, the whole damned State is run by Republicans, save for the Atlanta area! They recounted the whole damned State - and Trump lost... so they counted again (manually) - and Trump STILL lost!
I get it: your definition of a "free and fair election" is one where your candidate wins, no matter what.
Yeah... that's the ticket! (You ARE a John Lovett fan, aren't you... come on, admit that, at least!)
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@bi4smooth Oh fucking yes, so when the election officials are actually kicking conservatives out of the building, boarding up the windows so nobody can see inside, and claiming a water pipe burst when it was just a leaky toilet, and then pulling ballots out from under the table at 1 AM ON VIDEO, that's just nonsense. Don't believe you're lying eyes folks. Dude, get real.
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