Where is the Conservative Outrage?
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@bi4smooth Can you demonstrate what you just stated in more detail so that we can fact check it ourselves?
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@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth Can you demonstrate what you just stated in more detail so that we can fact check it ourselves?
Start reading non-US news accounts... Try some of these:
- http://www.dw.com (German)
- http://www/bbc.com (British)
- http://www.abc.net.au (Australia)
I also read translated news from the Middle East and Japan...
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@bi4smooth No you need to put it in your own words.
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@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth No you need to put it in your own words.
You're too lazy to actually read what I write anyway... you've proven that over multiple threads!
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@bi4smooth And you've proven over multiple messages that you aren't discussing the topic, that there was a double digit fraudulent count of ballots. When a pallet of ballots says there are 500 ballots inside this box, and there's only 350, or there's 650, something is off, and your side sent hundreds of lawyers to shut down finding out what exactly was "off." Why it was 650 instead of 500. "We need to shut that down." No. We are not going to stop until we find out WHY. So get over it.
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@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth And you've proven over multiple messages that you aren't discussing the topic, that there was a double digit fraudulent count of ballots. When a pallet of ballots says there are 500 ballots inside this box, and there's only 350, or there's 650, something is off, and your side sent hundreds of lawyers to shut down finding out what exactly was "off." Why it was 650 instead of 500. "We need to shut that down." No. We are not going to stop until we find out WHY. So get over it.
Look - the AZ Republican Party runs the Secretary of State's office there... they did their own audit (with Republican and Democrat witnesses).
BUT, as I've stated before... let's say you find 5million missing ballots in AZ, all of which are marked for Trump... there is nothing in our Constitution that allows for the Electoral College to re-vote. The Electoral College of 2020 met, voted (in mostly videotaped fashion), and the new President was inaugurated! It is a fait accompli!
The ONLY thing you can do to get Biden out of the White House now is:
- His death - in which case, the 25th Amendment kicks in
- His impeachment & conviction - in which case, the 25th Amendment kicks in
Under no feasible way - other than the 2024 election - will Donald Trump be returned to the White House as President!
This is a waste of time and a fantasy! All to support a cult of personality that is Donald Trump - still working to become the undisputed worst President in US History!
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@bi4smooth All of our laws are based on the fact that fraud is null and void, nunc pro tunc. That is the basis for civilization, and you are trying to make excuses for when it comes out, that it's just too bad. That's so pathetic and disturbing.
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@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth All of our laws are based on the fact that fraud is null and void, nunc pro tunc. That is the basis for civilization, and you are trying to make excuses for when it comes out, that it's just too bad. That's so pathetic and disturbing.
There is precedence for re-running an election due to fraud. There is none for overturning one. And in the case of re-running the elections, the candidate who committed the fraud was convicted - in court - of perpetrating that fraud. As I've said (and as Donald Trump demonstrated in his pathetic 1-term in office) - the American Presidency is immune from prosecution while in office.
Next election - maybe even the one after that... that's when you'll have your chance in court!
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@bi4smooth Dude, the first sentence again was delusional and I couldn't read past it. You just don't get how the world works. Just because there isn't precedent doesn't mean that it can't be done. Do you think all the other times there wasn't precedent -until there was- people argued that? It's basic common sense, fraud cannot stand. There is that precedent anyway.
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@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth Dude, the first sentence again was delusional and I couldn't read past it. You just don't get how the world works. Just because there isn't precedent doesn't mean that it can't be done. Do you think all the other times there wasn't precedent -until there was- people argued that? It's basic common sense, fraud cannot stand. There is that precedent anyway.
Your understanding of US law is ...
well, let's just say I'm underwhelmed.
I suggest you go back to the Military Coup idea... it is more plausible! LOL
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I don't care what liberals think of me, especially those with extreme TDS.
By "real Republicans" you mean liberals, aka Biden/Harris voters.
Here's your reward;
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@bi4smooth said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth Can you demonstrate what you just stated in more detail so that we can fact check it ourselves?
Start reading non-US news accounts... Try some of these:
- http://www.dw.com (German)
- http://www/bbc.com (British)
- http://www.abc.net.au (Australia)
I also read translated news from the Middle East and Japan...
I don't know the German site, but the other 2 are leftist shite.
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@raphjd said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@manhandler said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
@bi4smooth Can you demonstrate what you just stated in more detail so that we can fact check it ourselves?
Start reading non-US news accounts... Try some of these:
- http://www.dw.com (German)
- http://www/bbc.com (British)
- http://www.abc.net.au (Australia)
I also read translated news from the Middle East and Japan...
I don't know the German site, but the other 2 are leftist shite.
Anything that doesn't toe the Trump line is shite to you... I understand...
ALL news organizations have an editorial bias to one degree or another (in LEGIT ones, it mostly shows in the choice of stories they run, not so much in the facts of the stories themselves).The point of listing those sites was to say: don't get ALL of your news from US sources - in the US, I read articles on CNN.com as well as FoxNews.com... and multiple other US sources... (yes, I read a lot - I get PAID (in my job) to read a lot! LOL)
Those sites are INTERNATIONAL sites I get news from... that's all...
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Your TDS is so extreme that you view everything through those lenses.
By law, the BBC is required to be neutral in its reporting, but they have a heavy leftist bias. I'm sure the ABC has similar requirements.
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@raphjd said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
Your TDS is so extreme that you view everything through those lenses.
By law, the BBC is required to be neutral in its reporting, but they have a heavy leftist bias. I'm sure the ABC has similar requirements.
You are so blinded by your opposition to me, you can't see the IDIOCY of what you speak.
My posting said that ALL news organizations have a bias - if only in their choice of what stories to "publish".
- When I choose to report (factually) about the black officer shooting a white man, but choose to NOT report about the black officer shooting a black man - there is a bias. Even if the reporting itself is totally factual and unbiased, the choice of what to report and what NOT to report is going to have a bias - it has to, people are people.
The BBC has many legal requirements - it is state-owned and operated. The ABC (Australian) is actually (on purpose) molded after the BBC model. Both have a reputation for being somewhat Liberal in their editorial bias, but both also have strong reputations for reporting truthfully and fairly.
But to be fair to both - what's "liberal" in the UK and AU is not necessarily aligned with what's considered "liberal" in the US. (Typical of US residents to "Americanize" all other parts of the world - a little surprised to find you guilty of that as well, in that you live overseas).
In Germany, DW (Deutsche Welle) is also considered "slightly left center", but it's hard to get English Language (I don't read German) news from Gernany (arguably the strongest EU member nation)...
Also, as I stated in my original posting - and repeated just today - this isn't a "complete list" of sites I scan for news... but they are the more well-known. In Australia there is also Sky News (their version of Fox News) - but I often read those articles mainly when I'm interested in the internal politics of Australia - where the biases of both mostly appears.
When you limit yourself to a single viewpoint (when you choose to put yourself into an echo-chamber of like-minded people), you miss opportunities for personal and intellectual growth.
That said, I have no interest in either side's ultra-partisan "news" outlets.. Mother Jones and OAN alike! I'm not hyper-partisan, and I don't like the hyper-partisan "spin" outlets like these use to spin (and sometimes blatantly falsify) their reporting (they BOTH do it!).
You like to say that I have "TDS" (assumed to be something like "Trump Dysliexia Syndrome" or some other D-word)... but I'm not AUTHORING posts against Trump! I'm replying to YOUR posts that are spouting pro-Trump propaganda...
For posts you make about non-Trump items, we've been in agreement on multiple occasions. But when you (and others like you) spout off right-wing conspiracy theory laden tales of military coups and magical returns to power, I DO reply - because it is dangerous to let such things go unchallenged.
Honestly, other than when replying to your hyper-Trump blitherings, I don't think about Trump any more than I do about Obama or Carter or the Clintons or the Bushes... they're all historical footnotes waiting around to die and let History grade their lives... I'm more interested in the future than the past.
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For the most part, Europe is to the left of the US. A European conservative would be comparable to a center-right American. I've lived here for the last 20 years.
TDS is Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I don't limit myself to a single viewpoint.
You hate Tucker, but you admit you don't watch him, and yet you call him a liar. How would you know?!
It's funny how you think that my posts are about Trump, when in fact they are mostly anti-liberal. Obviously, anyone with as an extreme case of TDS reads Trump into everything.
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@raphjd said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
For the most part, Europe is to the left of the US. A European conservative would be comparable to a center-right American. I've lived here for the last 20 years.
Treating all of Europe as one, even similar, block is ludicrous - like combining the Deep South and New England would be in the US...
TDS is Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Trump is a sad-sack, self-aggrandizing loser.... but I don't think he's deranged.
I don't limit myself to a single viewpoint.
I would disagree - almost all of your posts come straight out of Conservative, Trump-Centric media... you're being spoon-fed this crap, and it shows.
You hate Tucker, but you admit you don't watch him, and yet you call him a liar. How would you know?!
I've never claimed to hate Tucker Carlson. I've called him out when he's said some dumb stuff, but then - anyone on live, unscripted TV for as many hours a week as he is would be bound to say some dumb stuff now and then (I think he's "hitting above average" in the obvious propaganda department, but that's what he's paid to do!
Tucker is a "new media" kind of news personality - its not about the news being right or wrong, it's about propaganda and ratings. But more than that, it's also about the "host" becoming the news...
As they say: There's no such thing as BAD publicity
It's funny how you think that my posts are about Trump, when in fact they are mostly anti-liberal. Obviously, anyone with as an extreme case of TDS reads Trump into everything.
Actually, you tie almost everything back to Trump. At least in the postings I reply to... as I've noted before, when your postings are in-line with my Conservative beliefs, I nearly always do not reply, unless it is to remark (as I have a few times now) that we agree about something.
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Europe, excluding the former Soviet Bloc. That better?
You have the mental illness of extreme TDS. You would rather have a freak like Honest Joe, despite how much of a POS he is.
NOPE, I get my news from many sources.
But you said you don't watch TV to get your news. I find it strange how you know everything about Tucker, but nothing about the scandals from your side's media. It's like how you know everything QAnon says, but you don't know the lies your own side has been proven to have said.
How would you know what conservatives believe?
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@raphjd said in Where is the Conservative Outrage?:
Europe, excluding the former Soviet Bloc. That better?
You have the mental illness of extreme TDS. You would rather have a freak like Honest Joe, despite how much of a POS he is.
NOPE, I get my news from many sources.
But you said you don't watch TV to get your news. I find it strange how you know everything about Tucker, but nothing about the scandals from your side's media. It's like how you know everything QAnon says, but you don't know the lies your own side has been proven to have said.
How would you know what conservatives believe?
You repeatedly claim I've said hateful things about Tucker Carlson... I don't watch the man, I don't mention him in this forum...
You do!
I know what Conservatives believe because, pre-Trump I was a bona-fide Conservative... I'm the FIRST to admit that, under the influence of Trump, I'm re-considering that label ... I may have to go straight "Libertarian"... but I'm not ready to give up on Republican yet... I'm certain there *will be a Republican Party once Trump kicks it and there is an actual grave for people to piss on...
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LOL, you call him a liar. But you don't watch him.
YEP, you get your "news" from the loony left media.
You aren't a libertarian either, as you believe that everyone must do as they are told. No liberty there.
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