The left is eating itself.
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@bi4smooth No what you're proposing is upside down world. It has killed lots of people, and it's on record.
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@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth No what you're proposing is upside down world. It has killed lots of people, and it's on record.
If you had the ability to comprehend timelines and science, I'd bother to try to explain it to you again... but I'll just say again... these COVID-19 vaccines are the first of their kind... EVER.
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@bi4smooth Exactly. Which means that you are the first HUMAN trial and the guinea pig! Congratulations. It's already killed thousands. And the number is growing.
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@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth Exactly. Which means that you are the first HUMAN trial and the guinea pig! Congratulations. It's already killed thousands. And the number is growing.
If it does kill thousands, but saves billions - I think that's a reasonable trade-off in scientific terms!
But you do you... eschew the masks, decline the vaccines!
COVID-19 may not KILL you... but your risks are a LOT higher than mine! -
@bi4smooth Are you serious? That's insane. If it kills thousands, but saves billions. It's already known that 99.7% of those who can get it will live. That's not ages 20-55. Of those outside that age group, 99.7 percent will be just fine. The idea that the virus doesn't kill people and the vaccine is, is the obvious factor here that you aren't getting.
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@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth Are you serious? That's insane. If it kills thousands, but saves billions. It's already known that 99.7% of those who can get it will live. That's not ages 20-55. Of those outside that age group, 99.7 percent will be just fine. The idea that the virus doesn't kill people and the vaccine is, is the obvious factor here that you aren't getting.
You do you... you be your own deluded, self-important self.
Math lies.. it's corrupt and anti-Trump.
ALL of the scientists are in a cabal dedicated to the fall of Trump!
All of the ELITIST college-educated folk are conspiring against Trump!Why, it's DOCUMENTED! 81 MILLION Chinese and Russian ballots were snuck into the country... 81 MILLION people colluded and conspired against Donald Trump - mostly on Nov 3, 2020! All in an effort to get him out of power!
You call it a conspiracy - I call it an election!
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This thread has wandered off to vote-by-mail, masking, and vaccinations (somebody must have sand in his panties), but to tie off the CO2 stuff:
@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth The basic statement by John Kerry that we need to get CO2 to zero...
No; that's not what informed and intelligent people want to do. The goal is to get artificial carbon emissions (from burning fossil fuels) to zero. The plant-animal-atmosphere-ocean carbon cycle was in balance for millions of years before humans started burning huge amounts of fossil fuels, putting billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. This has thrown the Earth system way out of balance, and thus has led to climate change. Even if we stopped all artificial emissions of carbon today (which nobody has proposed), the surplus of carbon (as CO2) in the atmosphere and ocean would remain for many decades. It's like the "first rule of holes:" The first step to get out of one is to stop digging it deeper.
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@eobox91103 Well, the result is that vegetation has increased by 14%, and trees by 7%. I don't see any global warming, in fact, just after Al Gore released "An Inconvenient Truth," he bought beach front property. If he was really worried about rising sea levels he wouldn't have done that. Even he doesn't believe it. The goal is to create a global banking system that can tax all humans for breathing air (and exhaling CO2) creating a global dictatorship run by bankers. Follow the money. It's not that your argument of A + B = C doesn't make any sense, but where is this invisible global warming? I don't see it. I see pollution, that's bad... I don't see the planet heating up and causing mass deaths or anything close to the fake alarmism. Everyone seems just fine and unaffected.
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@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@eobox91103 Well, the result is that vegetation has increased by 14%, and trees by 7%.
I'll ask again: Is there a reference for this? Q-anon tweets don't count.
@eobox91103 I don't see any global warming ... but where is this invisible global warming? I don't see it.
Look at https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature. (Warning: The linked webpage contains facts, and presumes that the Earth is spherical and not necessarily at the center of the Universe. This might be distressing to some readers.)
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@eobox91103 It's not difficult information to find:
https://www.climatecentral.org/news/study-finds-plant-growth-surges-as-co2-levels-rise-16094
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@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@eobox91103 It's not difficult information to find:
https://www.climatecentral.org/news/study-finds-plant-growth-surges-as-co2-levels-rise-16094
Go to the first reference that this article cites, from GRL. The abstract of that paper states, in part, "The role in this greening of the “CO2 fertilization” effect—the enhancement of photosynthesis due to rising CO2 levels—is yet to be established."
I'm not familiar with climatecentral.org, so I don't know how much to trust them. I did find, though, an interesting page at https://www.climatecentral.org/news/report-flooded-future-global-vulnerability-to-sea-level-rise-worse-than-previously-understood. Here's part of what that page says:
Global warming has raised global sea level about 8 inches since 1880, and the rate of rise is accelerating. Rising seas dramatically increase the odds of damaging floods from storm surges. A Climate Central analysis finds the odds of “century” or worse floods occurring by 2030 are on track to double or more, over widespread areas of the U.S.
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@eobox91103 said in The left is eating itself.:
@manhandler said in The left is eating itself.:
@eobox91103 It's not difficult information to find:
https://www.climatecentral.org/news/study-finds-plant-growth-surges-as-co2-levels-rise-16094
Go to the first reference that this article cites, from GRL. The abstract of that paper states, in part, "The role in this greening of the “CO2 fertilization” effect—the enhancement of photosynthesis due to rising CO2 levels—is yet to be established."
I'm not familiar with climatecentral.org, so I don't know how much to trust them. I did find, though, an interesting page at https://www.climatecentral.org/news/report-flooded-future-global-vulnerability-to-sea-level-rise-worse-than-previously-understood. Here's part of what that page says:
Global warming has raised global sea level about 8 inches since 1880, and the rate of rise is accelerating. Rising seas dramatically increase the odds of damaging floods from storm surges. A Climate Central analysis finds the odds of “century” or worse floods occurring by 2030 are on track to double or more, over widespread areas of the U.S.
But wait! Water is good! (Just like CO2 is good!)...
and water is necessary for life (just like CO2 is necessary for life)...Are you saying that MORE (too much) water is bad? I'm confused...
So...
- 4" of water in my cup is good! (I know it is!)
- 4" of water in my kids' playground or ball field is bad?
- 4" of water in my living room is bad, too?
And...
- CO2 on the bushes is good!
- CO2 in my facemask is bad?
- CO2 in the upper atmosphere is bad too?
How am I supposed to tell the difference?
If only there were people who could explain this to us... someone who knew science...
To know they were smart, we could call them Science-folk... or Scientists... or some other word!So long as they voted for Trump, I'll believe them! LOL
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@bi4smooth said in The left is eating itself.:
So...
- 4" of water in my cup is good! (I know it is!)
- 4" of water in my kids' playground or ball field is bad?
- 4" of water in my living room is bad, too?
I think you're on to something! You are able to see the difference between your cup and your living room. While this might be obvious to many people, there are some who can't tell the difference.
(Note that I did not make a comment about being unimpressed by 4".
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(Note that I just did.)If only there were people who could explain this to us... someone who knew science...
Oh, but you can't trust those science-ists: In order to do their work, they often use "arithmetic." This can lead people to believe that 81 million votes is more than 74 million votes, or that 306 electors is more than 232 electors. The consequences of that would be for the Dear Leader to move to Florida and no longer have a pulpit. (But fear not, his cult members will continue to worship him. When he leaves this mortal coil, perhaps they will have him embalmed and displayed in a glass case, like Lenin, Mao, and the elder Kims. His family will probably trademark the word "Trumpsicle" and try to get royalties from it to pay off their legal bills.)
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@eobox91103 said in The left is eating itself.:
@bi4smooth said in The left is eating itself.:
So...
- 4" of water in my cup is good! (I know it is!)
- 4" of water in my kids' playground or ball field is bad?
- 4" of water in my living room is bad, too?
I think you're on to something! You are able to see the difference between your cup and your living room. While this might be obvious to many people, there are some who can't tell the difference.
(Note that I did not make a comment about being unimpressed by 4". )
(Note that I just did.)If only there were people who could explain this to us... someone who knew science...
Oh, but you can't trust those science-ists: In order to do their work, they often use "arithmetic." This can lead people to believe that 81 million votes is more than 74 million votes, or that 306 electors is more than 232 electors. The consequences of that would be for the Dear Leader to move to Florida and no longer have a pulpit. (But fear not, his cult members will continue to worship him. When he leaves this mortal coil, perhaps they will have him embalmed and displayed in a glass case, like Lenin, Mao, and the elder Kims. His family will probably trademark the word "Trumpsicle" and try to get royalties from it to pay off their legal bills.)
Trumpsickle - I'll say right now, I'm not licking one!
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