"Healthy at any size" vs C-19
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@raphjd said in "Healthy at any size" vs C-19:
Umm, are you saying that men don't have to live up to unrealistic body examples?
How many times are we gonna see David Gandy in his underwear or speedo as a benchmark for male looks?!
I bet you didn't know that when the London mayor banned women in skimpy clothing, he didn't do the same for men. The "beach body ready" ad hung up right next to an ad with David Gandy in a white speedo, but only 1 was "oppression".
Not that it doesn't exist, but it isn't as pervasive. Nor is it an image that is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to achieve!
Agreed that body shaming is a bad thing regardless of gender. The ONLY person who should be telling you to lose weight should be your physician, and then it should be for HEALTH reasons, not cosmetic ones!
In the early 20th Century, skinny girls were WHOLLY unattractive (as were "tan" bodies)... the EPITOME of attractiveness were women "with curves" and whose skin was "ivory white" (the source of the IVORY soap name!)...
Tastes change... in the 1970's "attractive" gay men were muscular, had hairy chests, and mustaches! In the 2000's they were skinny and hairless (practically women!)... now, hair (and tattoos! yech!) is back!
There was even a brief time, during the HIV/AIDS crisis, when men with a little extra fat were considered more desirable! This was, however, because it was believed that the "extra weight" was an indicator that you didn't have AIDS (which had a terrible symptom of wasting-syndrome)...
But I digress... body shaming is bad... love the body you're in, or work to make it one you DO love! But don't let anyone ELSE tell you that you need to change your own body!
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I disagree.
Men have it just as bad (worse now in places like London) when it comes to what men are told they must look like.
The only reason that you, and people like you, believe that women have it worse is because of the constant pity parties we have for them. If the narrative was focused on men, then you would think that men have it worse.
It's like how black people and liberals think that cops are running around murdering every black person they see, despite the statistics proving otherwise.
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@bi4smooth said in "Healthy at any size" vs C-19:
I think you missed my point. I don't object to someone opting-out of a vaccination, if they have an intelligent reason (I have a neighbor who says she's allergic "to everything" and she's afraid she'll have a reaction - that's reasonable!).... thinking that the new vaccines will turn you into a robot... that's just not rational!
Actually, I do agree that if someone has a legitimate medical reason for opting out of a vaccine, that makes sense. But this is a tiny segment of the population, and while those people are at risk themselves, and a risk to others, it's a very small number. (Of course, COVID started with a "very small number" and has now killed millions.)
Unfortunately, most anti-vaxers are that way for wholly irrational reasons. They might not buy into Q-anonish crap like microchips and robot transformations, but instead follow a social/political agenda the discounts the dangers of the virus and put themselves--and others--at great and unnecessary risk. I find it ironic (to use a polite word) that many of these folk have a Dear Leader who not only contracted COVID himself, but then got covertly vaccinated.
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@raphjd said in "Healthy at any size" vs C-19:
I disagree.
Men have it just as bad (worse now in places like London) when it comes to what men are told they must look like.
The only reason that you, and people like you, believe that women have it worse is because of the constant pity parties we have for them. If the narrative was focused on men, then you would think that men have it worse.
It's like how black people and liberals think that cops are running around murdering every black person they see, despite the statistics proving otherwise.
So we agree that body shaming is bad (awful) behavior.... and we want to argue about who has it worse?
Pass... its bad, always bad, regardless of male, female, trans, gay, str8, bi, pan, etc.
For every example of an internet meme you can post that says how bad guys have it, I can match you with one that shows how bad women have it...
I DO agree it's actually getting WORSE! Men are now starting to wear makeup! (I didn't like my women to wear heavy makeup - declined once to see a girl a 2nd time because she wore heavy makeup TO THE BEACH! (NOTE: I'm pansexual, not "totally" gay - was happily married [to a woman] for 15 years.. well, happily for about 12!
)I will say again: standards of "beauty" change over time - sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly! But they ALWAYS change!
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I'm sure you can show me the countless magazine covers of fat men with the headline being "fat is beautiful" or "healthy at any size" like we see with fat women.
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@raphjd said in "Healthy at any size" vs C-19:
I'm sure you can show me the countless magazine covers of fat men with the headline being "fat is beautiful" or "healthy at any size" like we see with fat women.
Well, let's look at how many Celebrity men have plain-jane wives and compare to how many Celebrity women have "plain-joe" husbands!
One is common, the other practically non-existent.
It's been a male-dominated society for 1000's of years... some level of come-uppance is to be expected!
EDIT: just because it's expected, it doesn't make it right!
I'll say again: body shaming ANYONE is wrong!
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Online dating showed that women choose 20% of men, while men choose 80% of women.
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@raphjd said in "Healthy at any size" vs C-19:
Online dating showed that women choose 20% of men, while men choose 80% of women.
Unsurprising for the US (almost all of Western?) Culture:
- man are taught by our society to be the "aggressor" in relationships - men look for mates...
- women are taught by our society to be "passive" - women look to be woo'ed by potential mates...
This is also why gay MEN usually are so much more promiscuous than gay WOMEN! They are both the woo-er and the woo-ee on the dating sites, so even when they start a relationship, they are continually "found" by other men still looking...
The wolf/sheep metaphor works...
- when wolves (men) are seeking their "prey" (women/sheep) and that prey looks to generally avoid being eaten, there is balance... there is a chasER and a chasEE
- but when wolves (men) are seeking other wolves (other men also "on the prowl") there is a much MUCH higher likelihood that they'll find what they're looking for!
So, if you're a woman on a dating app, you generally don't HAVE to reach out to males... you just sit back and wait for them to reach out to YOU and have your pick from amongst them! (MUCH MUCH less rejection that way! - at least for the woman!)
Is it fair? Hell no, but LIFE ISN'T FAIR, and it NEVER WILL BE! You cannot "fix" society to make it "fair for everyone" - that is a LIBERAL FANTASY!
That doesn't mean you can't work to make things fairER... but "completely fair" is a fantasy! Unobtainable, and totally different depending upon the eye of the beholder!
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