The left hides and goes silent… they are total hypocrites!
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The picture you posted which includes Trump and Weinerstein is interesting. Trump has a LARGE head, but look at that photo you posted.. Trump's head is tiny compared to that of Weinstein, because he is standing about 5 feet behind him. Hardly and warm embrace.. not any friendship there.. more like a photo bombing on the part of Weinstein.
The photo you posted reminds me of a guy that said he met Frank Sinatra and is friends with him. I found out later from the guy's son that what really happened is they went to a Frank Sinatra concert - and his dad WAVED to Frank from 20 feet away.By the way, I'd bet money that Weinstein is in that photo because he's interested in the woman in the black dress that is next to him.. NOT Trump - whom he hates.
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I've seen some of your actual titles and while you have been civil, I see no signs of a few others being civil.
(cough, cough) …be the change you want to be... (cough, cough)
"badly written" makes you sound close to being a "grammar Nazi" so be careful.
Or what? Your reasoning is flawed and non-persuasive. You're throwing accusations by calling everyone a liar by using you instead of singling out the person or persons to whom you are referring.
If your goal is to understand, then begin by stating clearly what you want to say – don't shout it. It would help if you actually made an attempt to listen to the people with whom you are attempting a speech act. Had you listened to me instead of react to me we would already be in conversation.
I do not appreciate you coming at me with some phony accusation as if this forum hasn't turned into a conservative echo chamber.
If you think this has become an echo chamber and your solution is to scream and shout to change that, then you're gonna have a bad day.
You should be thinking, "how can I help bring more people into the conversation?". Hint: Talking down to people, shouting, generalizing about everyone in these forums is NOT how you do that.
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Now, to the topic in the thread.
The title is "The Left…They are Hypocrites". You want to change this to the left vs Donald Trump. Fine. Trump met with Weinstein. That's a fact. Everything else you wrote is speculation. That conversation is now done.
The left vs the right, that's open season.
My problem with the left is that, in general, they signal their virtues by kneeling, supporting BLM, give lip service to ideas like white privilege and Islamaphobia, and call people out for sexism while – and this is key -- having sat on decades of sexual harassment experiences with Weinstein. Moreover, they only come out against Weinstein when there's a mass movement against the man. There's no courage in that.
These past years of claiming they, the Ben Aflics of Hollywood, are morally superior to the common folk is false and hypocritical. Prove that wrong.
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@cteavin, you claim to be new to these parts of the forum so I won't go deep into the reason why I have no patience for a lot of those who take up for the right on here. I had a long, popular thread about civility on here and basically everyone who takes up for the right spat in my face repeatedly. I was called many, many childish names and after over 2 months of trying to find middle ground with people who would rather deflect and derail the attempts of me and others, I gave up. I'm done with that. If I agree with someone, that's fine. If not, that's also fine. But my days of finding something to agree on are pretty much over and I am not the blame for that. I practically begged everyone to please tone down the rhetoric and let's agree on simple courteous measures and like I said, they spat in my face. Childish name calling (moonbat, cuck, etc.) is perfectly fine with you so once again, you have no right coming at me accusing me of being uncivil when you're fine with worse behavior.
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@cteavin, you claim to be new to these parts of the forum so I won't go deep into the reason why I have no patience for a lot of those who take up for the right on here. I had a long, popular thread about civility on here and basically everyone who takes up for the right spat in my face repeatedly.
Childish name calling (moonbat, cuck, etc.) is perfectly fine with you so once again, you have no right coming at me accusing me of being uncivil when you're fine with worse behavior.
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Did you spit back? If you spat back, then you are as much to blame. If you lose your patience, then you become part of the problem.
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I am not a fan of name calling and do not like terms like moonbats and Osama for Obama or even Kim Jung Dung. I sometimes call it out. The solution isn't a tirade but compromise and patience and time.
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Now, what say you to my comments on the left and their virtue signaling vis a vie sitting on real sexual harassment?
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@cteavin, you claim to be new to these parts of the forum so I won't go deep into the reason why I have no patience for a lot of those who take up for the right on here. I had a long, popular thread about civility on here and basically everyone who takes up for the right spat in my face repeatedly.
Childish name calling (moonbat, cuck, etc.) is perfectly fine with you so once again, you have no right coming at me accusing me of being uncivil when you're fine with worse behavior.
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Did you spit back? If you spat back, then you are as much to blame. If you lose your patience, then you become part of the problem.
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I am not a fan of name calling and do not like terms like moonbats and Osama for Obama or even Kim Jung Dung. I sometimes call it out. The solution isn't a tirade but compromise and patience and time.
:poorthing:
Now, what say you to my comments on the left and their virtue signaling vis a vie sitting on real sexual harassment?
I spat back once I got called out of my name multiple times after trying to be reasonable to people who had no plan on being childish and constantly derailing discussions. I didn't create a tirade, I simply made a civility post with a poll and I was attacked endlessly. It was truly disgusting what they did. It wasn't like I gave up overnight, I gave up after a good while of it.
As for your comments on what the left has been doing, it is wrong. They've obviously known about this for a very long time and sat on it because of the power they themselves gave Weinstein. That's what a culture of rape and sexual assault does, it's no different than many other instances including the one surrounding the president. I don't understand what you're getting at because I clearly stated in this very thread that President Obama took too long to say something and that's suspicious to me. I feel the same way about Hillary Clinton and others. What more do you want me to personally say about this? That the left are hypocrites for saying they're for women's rights and then helping to cover up something like this? I'm not going to agree to that based off of this incident because I'm sure there are plenty of people on the left who had no idea this was going on. You seriously cannot be arguing that every single person who identifies as a liberal, including those outside of Hollywood, knew what Harvey Weinstein was doing. What about the people he didn't donate money to? What about the people he did donate money to but who have never been anywhere near him? Are you a wizard? Do you know every single person who has personally received donations from him and/or every single person who knew what he was doing?
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@cteavin, you claim to be new to these parts of the forum so I won't go deep into the reason why I have no patience for a lot of those who take up for the right on here. I had a long, popular thread about civility on here and basically everyone who takes up for the right spat in my face repeatedly.
Childish name calling (moonbat, cuck, etc.) is perfectly fine with you so once again, you have no right coming at me accusing me of being uncivil when you're fine with worse behavior.
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Did you spit back? If you spat back, then you are as much to blame. If you lose your patience, then you become part of the problem.
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I am not a fan of name calling and do not like terms like moonbats and Osama for Obama or even Kim Jung Dung. I sometimes call it out. The solution isn't a tirade but compromise and patience and time.
:poorthing:
Now, what say you to my comments on the left and their virtue signaling vis a vie sitting on real sexual harassment?
Labels get applied to things that stand out, as a very short way of characterizing something. The left do it ad nauseum. Anybody they don't like is "Hitler", "Racist", etc. I sometimes call Kim Jun Un things like Kim Dumb Dung because he is such a low life evil turd that he doesn't deserve to be dignified by his proper name. Same situation with "Crooked Hillary" and "Lying Ted" and "Don Sourpuss Lemon".
Another way to put things in perspective in an instant without having to spend months re-stating and examining the past posts of this forum is to glance at this image..
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As for your comments on what the left has been doing… What more do you want me to personally say about this? That the left are hypocrites for saying they're for women's rights and then helping to cover up something like this? I'm not going to agree to that based off of this incident because I'm sure there are plenty of people on the left who had no idea this was going on. You seriously cannot be arguing that every single person who identifies as a liberal, including those outside of Hollywood, knew what Harvey Weinstein was doing. What about the people he didn't donate money to? What about the people he did donate money to but who have never been anywhere near him? Are you a wizard? Do you know every single person who has personally received donations from him and/or every single person who knew what he was doing?
My problem with the left is that, in general, they signal their virtues by kneeling, supporting BLM, give lip service to ideas like white privilege and Islamaphobia, and call people out for sexism while – and this is key -- having sat on decades of sexual harassment experiences with Weinstein. Moreover, they only come out against Weinstein when there's a mass movement against the man. There's no courage in that.
These past years of claiming they, the Ben Aflics of Hollywood, are morally superior to the common folk is false and hypocritical. Prove that wrong.
Look at the bold in your text an mine. I'll wait.
I specifically used the words in general in the first paragraph then went on to signal in the second paragraph that I was talking about the Ben Aflicks of the world, meaning the people in Weinsteins orbit. Now, reading back, I can see that I was not clear enough in the first.
Let me fix it so my meaning is clearer.
My problem with the left is that, in general, they signal their virtues by kneeling, supporting BLM, give lip service to ideas like white privilege and Islamaphobia, and call people out for sexism. While at the same time – and this is key -- Hollywood elites have sat on decades of sexual harassment experiences with Weinstein. Moreover, they (these elites) only come out against Weinstein when there's a mass movement against the man. There's no courage in that.
Now is my meaning clearer?
The topic is hypocrisy. The people in Hollywood have been standing up to pee on the average person thinking themselves the vanguards of decency and morality while these people have been complicit because they don't want to lose their fat paychecks.
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Labels get applied to things that stand out, as a very short way of characterizing something. The left do it ad nauseum. Anybody they don't like is "Hitler", "Racist", etc.
Yup. That's absolutely true. And you know I've told you, Federick, directly I don't like it (fistbump) and we're still friendly with one another (fistbump). I'm not going to police someone's speech. It's not my place. To have a tantrum everytime someone does something I disagree with isn't a blanket endorsement.
I simply want people to play nicely so I have a place to come to for discussion and different points of view.
I also want the country to heal and the only way to do that is for us, each and every individual, to have civil discourse.
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As for your comments on what the left has been doing… What more do you want me to personally say about this? That the left are hypocrites for saying they're for women's rights and then helping to cover up something like this? I'm not going to agree to that based off of this incident because I'm sure there are plenty of people on the left who had no idea this was going on. You seriously cannot be arguing that every single person who identifies as a liberal, including those outside of Hollywood, knew what Harvey Weinstein was doing. What about the people he didn't donate money to? What about the people he did donate money to but who have never been anywhere near him? Are you a wizard? Do you know every single person who has personally received donations from him and/or every single person who knew what he was doing?
My problem with the left is that, in general, they signal their virtues by kneeling, supporting BLM, give lip service to ideas like white privilege and Islamaphobia, and call people out for sexism while – and this is key -- having sat on decades of sexual harassment experiences with Weinstein. Moreover, they only come out against Weinstein when there's a mass movement against the man. There's no courage in that.
These past years of claiming they, the Ben Aflics of Hollywood, are morally superior to the common folk is false and hypocritical. Prove that wrong.
Look at the bold in your text an mine. I'll wait.
I specifically used the words in general in the first paragraph then went on to signal in the second paragraph that I was talking about the Ben Aflicks of the world, meaning the people in Weinsteins orbit. Now, reading back, I can see that I was not clear enough in the first.
Let me fix it so my meaning is clearer.
My problem with the left is that, in general, they signal their virtues by kneeling, supporting BLM, give lip service to ideas like white privilege and Islamaphobia, and call people out for sexism. While at the same time – and this is key -- Hollywood elites have sat on decades of sexual harassment experiences with Weinstein. Moreover, they (these elites) only come out against Weinstein when there's a mass movement against the man. There's no courage in that.
Now is my meaning clearer?
The topic is hypocrisy. The people in Hollywood have been standing up to pee on the average person thinking themselves the vanguards of decency and morality while these people have been complicit because they don't want to lose their fat paychecks.
Once again, I will agree those who knew and continued to provide shelter for Weinstein because of the power they themselves gave him while also claiming they have some sort of moral authority is textbook hypocrisy. For those who did not, I'm not going to blanket them as knowing because I'm not an all-knowing wizard. My argument which I clearly stated is that a situation like this is proof that just like rape, sexual harassment is a culture with agents who keep it going no matter their justification for keeping the culture going. I didn't make that argument to counter what you're saying but to simply add to what you are saying. You asked me to stick to the topic instead of bringing up other instances of rape and sexual harassment situations and that's what I am now doing. I am not defending what many people on the left have done in this situation. For the women who were harassed by Weinstein, some who are also leftists, are you blaming them for remaining quiet instead of going against an entire culture? Who would have believed them? The current president himself suspected Weinstein of being a perv but didn't say anything. I have a suspicion that President Obama also knew and didn't say anything. If presidents were unwilling to call him out, that gives me no confidence that anyone would have believed the victims which is devastating. That's what cultures of rape and sexual harassment do, they create shelter and safety for the perv in exchange for favors and as a result, the victims themselves are often blamed.
As for other matters you brought up such as BLM and football players kneeling, I would rather not make this post longer than it needs to be. My stance on BLM is complex and I do not–-nor anyone in my family or circle of friends---wholly supports them; therefore, I don't follow which people on the left endorse them or ignores them. If someone on the left endorses BLM but also participates in racist practices against black people then yes, they are a hypocrite.
And no, there is no courage in participating in crowd condemnation which is why once again I condemned the way President Obama spoke out about it. He waited until it was "popular" to call out Weinstein and that's wrong.
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Labels get applied to things that stand out, as a very short way of characterizing something. The left do it ad nauseum. Anybody they don't like is "Hitler", "Racist", etc.
Yup. That's absolutely true. And you know I've told you, Federick, directly I don't like it (fistbump) and we're still friendly with one another (fistbump). I'm not going to police someone's speech. It's not my place. To have a tantrum everytime someone does something I disagree with isn't a blanket endorsement.
I simply want people to play nicely so I have a place to come to for discussion and different points of view.
I also want the country to heal and the only way to do that is for us, each and every individual, to have civil discourse.
You were not here several months ago when the moniker battle was going on. The moonbats were tearing into Trump with every derogatory word and slanderous bullshit that they could conjure up. I needed a word to apply to the people I now refer to as "moonbats". I didn't want to use the broad term "liberals" because just because someone is liberal doesn't mean they are a complete idiot or bad person. I needed a word to distinguish the "moonbats" from the liberals. Let me use an example applied to my own race so I don't get attacked for being "racist". All rednecks are white, but not all white people are rednecks. It would be bad for me to criticize white people when my target for derision was actually rednecks. Likewise, I prefer to limit my criticism to moonbats instead of to all liberals. I even went so far as to repeatedly ask the members of the group for suggestions on a word I could use that they would approve of. I got no responses. Finally I suggested several words myself, and "moonbat" got approved. I also pull no punches in criticizing police - which is in contrast to Trump who consistently praises them. I think of the bad police as being stormtroopers.
That is why I posted the image of the reputations earlier. People earn their good and bad reputations.. which is why RaphJD and myself have mega long green lines.. whilst the bad bad boys have long red lines.
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You were not here several months ago when the moniker battle was going on. The moonbats were tearing into Trump…. Finally I suggested several words myself, and "moonbat" got approved.
Ah, I get it now.
Anyone coming into these forums wouldn't know that, you know.
We are a community where the young are often a little damaged. If they come here and see lots of name calling, especially when they don't know the history, they're going to come away with an unfavorable impression. We are, all of us, capable of creating and maintaining a good impression.
Never Trumpers I think is easy for an outsider to understand.
Don't you all think it's time to put away the baggage from the 2016 election, anyway? The media is going to foist the 2020 elections on us soon enough. It'd be nice to clear the slate and start fresh.
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My argument which I clearly stated is that a situation like this is proof that just like rape, sexual harassment is a culture with agents who keep it going no matter their justification for keeping the culture going. I didn't make that argument to counter what you're saying but to simply add to what you are saying. You asked me to stick to the topic instead of bringing up other instances of rape and sexual harassment situations and that's what I am now doing. I am not defending what many people on the left have done in this situation. For the women who were harassed by Weinstein, some who are also leftists, are you blaming them for remaining quiet instead of going against an entire culture?
No. And it's not just women who were harassed. Cory Feldman and Cory Haine were both, by their words, "raped" yet never pushed to prosecute the perpetrators. There was an African-American actor who recently said he'd been groped and stayed silent. Sexual harassment in Hollywood is as common as the casting couch.
My point is that Hollywood is liberal. You'd agree with that statement, right? It pushes out programming like Will & Grace II where they spend the first episode Trump bashing. That tenor pervades the media landscape – it's that hum I mentioned in another thread. Hollywood is largely self-righteous and self-satisfied, yet the people in Hollywood work within a corrupt system while pointing the finger at the corruption in others: Middle America, you're racist, etc.
I'm well aware how hard it is to stand up and say something but the people coming forward now are the Paltrow's and Jolie's of Hollywood. They have power. They have had no business shaming the average (often white) man while keeping a closet.
On a related tanged, Ben Affleck. There's a YouTube clip of him making an ass of himself on Bill Mahar's show when he was interviewing Sam Harris (my personal hero). Oh, I love him as Batman but what a giant sanctimonious, ignorant turd. I'm so glad he's getting slammed for Butt-gate, atm.
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You were not here several months ago when the moniker battle was going on. The moonbats were tearing into Trump…. Finally I suggested several words myself, and "moonbat" got approved.
Ah, I get it now.
Anyone coming into these forums wouldn't know that, you know.
We are a community where the young are often a little damaged. If they come here and see lots of name calling, especially when they don't know the history, they're going to come away with an unfavorable impression. We are, all of us, capable of creating and maintaining a good impression.
Never Trumpers I think is easy for an outsider to understand.
Don't you all think it's time to put away the baggage from the 2016 election, anyway? The media is going to foist the 2020 elections on us soon enough. It'd be nice to clear the slate and start fresh.
I expected the divisive attacks to END once the election was over, but if anything, they INTENSIFIED! The left won't let it go. Hillary is still trying to have the election results rejected as recently as a week ago. There are media and celebrities calling for Trump to be impeached and assassinated to this very day. These wingnuts need to be silenced because they are behaving like petulant children. Kathy Griffin is trying to reboot her career with brand new attacks on Trump.
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I expected the divisive attacks to END once the election was over, but if anything, they INTENSIFIED!
Then let it go.
Just because someone speaks to you in a way you don't like doesn't mean you have to respond in turn. You're a grown man. If you feel someone has disrespected you call them out respectfully – remind them that there is an actual flesh and blood human being on the other end of the screen -- or ignore the comment and be the better person.
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