Our President called for the deaths of five innocent black teens

raphjd

SJWs changed the definition of racism so that blacks can't be racist, while doing racist things. The claim that they don't have the power to do it, while the government, police and universities support them and arrest whites who don't obey the blacks who are oppressing them. That clearly puts blacks into the SJW definition of racism. So by the classic and SJW definitions, blacks are racist.

Much of what you and your fellow leftists call "white supremacy" isn't. It's the same way that you called me a racist for pointing out that a Congressman (without ever mentioning race) told 2 lies; at the time of the conversation. The left scream racist, Nazi and countless other names at their enemies to justify their hatred and abuse of them. Eric Clanton's lawyer tried using the same bullshit tactic in that hallway "press conference". Yvette Felarca is claiming the same thing. Anything they do to those they don't like is justified because their enemy is XYZ.

Abusing white people for something they had no part in is bullshit. I was mugged by a couple of blacks almost 30 years ago. Am I justified in abusing all blacks for that? Of course not. So why is it ok for blacks to abuse whites for something neither were a part of?!

It's funny how only blacks on the left are screaming all this nasty shit at white people. Blacks on the right aren't vilifying white people at every turn. Of course, those are the black people that get the death threats from liberal blacks and SJWs.

royalcrown89

@raphjd:

Blacks on the right aren't vilifying white people at every turn.

That's because those blacks are complicit in uplifting white supremacy. Some black people have their price. You pay them a sum of money and they'll sell their own family members, figuratively and literally. Thankfully, the overwhelming majority of us cannot be bought.

Still, that has nothing to do with our president calling for the deaths of five innocent black men. Once again, no amount of deflection or false equivalency can defend that view. Everything else you said is 100% :ot: so I'm not wasting my time replying to it. Your argument was over the moment you began deflecting and playing various "blame" cards in a discussion that doesn't call for those "blame" cards. Would you like to play yet another one? Which one will you be playing today?

mhorndisk

Dude, you can't just use the Hillary Card excuse every time her name is mentioned. She literally broke laws, and she's a big part of all this. You think that your cute little way of creating cards cancels out any way for us to make analogies. It's absurd. The only reason you are using those cards is because you literally have no defense for what she did. It's pathetic. You're trying to use it as a way to silence any criticism of the DNC and their corruption, and it isn't going to work.

mhorndisk

How about Maxine Waters saying over and over again that she wants to impeach Trump, then going on TV saying she never said any such thing, when it is clearly obvious that she did. Is the Maxine Waters card next? Probably. You've got an excuse for everything.

raphjd

@royalcrown89:

@raphjd:

Blacks on the right aren't vilifying white people at every turn.

That's because those blacks are complicit in uplifting white supremacy. Some black people have their price. You pay them a sum of money and they'll sell their own family members, figuratively and literally. Thankfully, the overwhelming majority of us cannot be bought.

Still, that has nothing to do with our president calling for the deaths of five innocent black men. Once again, no amount of deflection or false equivalency can defend that view. Everything else you said is 100% :ot: so I'm not wasting my time replying to it. Your argument was over the moment you began deflecting and playing various "blame" cards in a discussion that doesn't call for those "blame" cards. Would you like to play yet another one? Which one will you be playing today?

You are so pathetic.

"If they don't agree with me, they are race traitors and support white supremacists." Fucking hell, the left is delusional.

Does that also apply to whites who help blacks oppress whites? Are they also race traitors who support black supremacists?

It's funny, you and your ilk never want to have a discussion about "those blame cards".

It's also bullshit to say that Tommy Sotomayor, Tom Black, Terrence Williams, aka2kool and countless others support white supremacy. Like me, they hate racists of any color. I bet that's your real problem, they fully admit that blacks are racists and that anti white racism does exist.

royalcrown89

@raphjd:

@royalcrown89:

@raphjd:

Blacks on the right aren't vilifying white people at every turn.

That's because those blacks are complicit in uplifting white supremacy. Some black people have their price. You pay them a sum of money and they'll sell their own family members, figuratively and literally. Thankfully, the overwhelming majority of us cannot be bought.

Still, that has nothing to do with our president calling for the deaths of five innocent black men. Once again, no amount of deflection or false equivalency can defend that view. Everything else you said is 100% :ot: so I'm not wasting my time replying to it. Your argument was over the moment you began deflecting and playing various "blame" cards in a discussion that doesn't call for those "blame" cards. Would you like to play yet another one? Which one will you be playing today?

You are so pathetic.

"If they don't agree with me, they are race traitors and support white supremacists." Fucking hell, the left is delusional.

Does that also apply to whites who help blacks oppress whites? Are they also race traitors who support black supremacists?

It's funny, you and your ilk never want to have a discussion about "those blame cards".

It's also bullshit to say that Tommy Sotomayor, Tom Black, Terrence Williams, aka2kool and countless others support white supremacy. Like me, they hate racists of any color. I bet that's your real problem, they fully admit that blacks are racists and that anti white racism does exist.

And you're still severely :ot: This is what I mean about derailment. I did not begin this topic to discuss which white people and black people are this or that. What does any of this have to do with our president currently calling for the deaths of five men who have been exonerated of any wrongdoing involving a case that goes back decades? Just say it's indefensible and either a) move on or b) begin a topic to discuss what YOU want to talk about. Why is constant deflection and derailment perfectly fine for you?

USHorizon

Sigh. Points. Pointlessness.

Frederick

I find it fascinating that RoyalCrown has to go back 28 years to find something to comment about.

It's pretty obvious that the 5 punks committed a crime.. HOWEVER.. I am taking a look at this case and have some comments that should make RoyalCrown happy.
If you want, give me the names and ages (and exact birthdates if you can) and I will look up those "fellows" charged in the attacks. I have found some, but not all of their names and ages. I have not yet done background checks on them.

REGARDLESS of that…
The death penalty is stupid. It costs far more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for a lifetime. Far too often, people sentenced to death have been later found to be not guilty. (the man I sometimes refer to would have been executed if the country he is in had the death penalty.. a lot of people are going to pay dearly when it is revealed that not only is he not guilty, but the proof that he is not guilty was always there - but ignored. The actual killer was a drag queen that lived directly above the accused man. The drag queen committed suicide a few months after the murder). Given the choice between a lifetime in prison and a quick painless execution.. it would be far more punishing to keep them in prison. Dead people feel no pain or remorse.

Some, if not all of the accused Central Park 5 were minors at the time. suggesting that they should be executed is absurd. You don't execute minors. The reasoning part of the human brain is not even fully developed until about 25 years of age.

The victim was not killed.. and executing someone for rape is absurd. At the MOST, they should castrate a rapist - not execute.

It seems that the accused 5 were OVERCHARGED. The woman was raped, but since there were several people involved, it is difficult, if not impossible to PROVE guilt unless you find their DNA up in her vag. They did find DNA of one person whom was not one of the 5 charged. The only way you could prove rape is if they confessed to doing it themselves. Even then, I don't think they were sufficiently represented, nor old enough to be making a confession. Furthermore, even if they did make a legitimate confession, the fact that they made the confession should have resulted in a plea bargain where they would NOT be convicted of rape - otherwise why would anybody confess to anything? Keep in mind that at least 10% of people who confess to rape only do so as a plea bargain to avoid more severe punishment.

There is a big question of what those five were doing at Central Park at 9:30PM. I doubt very much they were there to have a picnic or feed the pigeons.

I think the biggest issue with that case is how the punishment for rape is so severe, and the burden of proof is so low. One simple example of that... a man and woman have sex. The man dumps the woman after sex, or doesn't call her back, or gave her a fake phone number, or didn't pay her, or gets an STD, or finds out the man has a girlfriend / wife, or gets pregnant, etc. The woman who was completely consensual at the time, and perhaps even seduced the man, is then pissed off, and decides to file rape charges. Pretty much no male is safe from that scenario. There have been countless cases in the news of celebrities charged with rape.. and this happens all the time with non-celebrities as well.

I am not shedding any tears for those 5 thugs.. but they were not treated properly by the judicial system. Trump's biggest fault has been how much faith he puts in the police and the judicial system. They should have been charged with lesser crimes, and spent a couple of years in jail. The compensation they eventually got was grossly excessive. Four of them got $7.1 million.. the 5th got $12.2 million.

Here are the names and ages of the 5 thugs.. or I should really say three...
Korey Wise 18 1 traffic citation
Raymond Santana 15 41 theft, 90 prostitution
Yusef Salaam 16 4 robbery, 4 rape
Antron McCray 16 6 traffic citations
Kevin Richardson 16 4 Sodomy, 4 robbery, 5 rape, 4 2nd degree murder

Keep in mind that almost all of these charges are BEFORE the Central Park event. (the traffic citations are after)
The jury were probably not OFFICIALLY made aware of the crimes of Santana, Salaam, McCray, and Richardson because they were juveniles at the time.
Of the 5.. two seem to be "clean"
Santana is obviously a thief and prostitute - but otherwise clean

Yusef Salaam is a robber who can't keep his dick in his pants..
Kevin Richardson.. that guy truly belongs in prison - it seems he had participated in crimes with Yusef Salaam.

The guy with the lavendar scarf is the prostitute.. :bsex:

I hope RoyalCrown is happy now..

royalcrown89

@Frederick:

I find it fascinating that RoyalCrown has to go back 28 years to find something to comment about.

It's pretty obvious that the 5 punks committed a crime.. HOWEVER.. I am taking a look at this case and have some comments that should make RoyalCrown happy.
If you want, give me the names and ages (and exact birthdates if you can) and I will look up those "fellows" charged in the attacks. I have found some, but not all of their names and ages. I have not yet done background checks on them.

REGARDLESS of that…
The death penalty is stupid. It costs far more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for a lifetime. Far too often, people sentenced to death have been later found to be not guilty. (the man I sometimes refer to would have been executed if the country he is in had the death penalty.. a lot of people are going to pay dearly when it is revealed that not only is he not guilty, but the proof that he is not guilty was always there - but ignored. The actual killer was a drag queen that lived directly above the accused man. The drag queen committed suicide a few months after the murder). Given the choice between a lifetime in prison and a quick painless execution.. it would be far more punishing to keep them in prison. Dead people feel no pain or remorse.

Some, if not all of the accused Central Park 5 were minors at the time. suggesting that they should be executed is absurd. You don't execute minors. The reasoning part of the human brain is not even fully developed until about 25 years of age.

The victim was not killed.. and executing someone for rape is absurd. At the MOST, they should castrate a rapist - not execute.

It seems that the accused 5 were OVERCHARGED. The woman was raped, but since there were several people involved, it is difficult, if not impossible to PROVE guilt unless you find their DNA up in her vag. They did find DNA of one person whom was not one of the 5 charged. The only way you could prove rape is if they confessed to doing it themselves. Even then, I don't think they were sufficiently represented, nor old enough to be making a confession. Furthermore, even if they did make a legitimate confession, the fact that they made the confession should have resulted in a plea bargain where they would NOT be convicted of rape - otherwise why would anybody confess to anything? Keep in mind that at least 10% of people who confess to rape only do so as a plea bargain to avoid more severe punishment.

There is a big question of what those five were doing at Central Park at 9:30PM. I doubt very much they were there to have a picnic or feed the pigeons.

I think the biggest issue with that case is how the punishment for rape is so severe, and the burden of proof is so low. One simple example of that... a man and woman have sex. The man dumps the woman after sex, or doesn't call her back, or gave her a fake phone number, or didn't pay her, or gets an STD, or finds out the man has a girlfriend / wife, or gets pregnant, etc. The woman who was completely consensual at the time, and perhaps even seduced the man, is then pissed off, and decides to file rape charges. Pretty much no male is safe from that scenario. There have been countless cases in the news of celebrities charged with rape.. and this happens all the time with non-celebrities as well.

I am not shedding any tears for those 5 thugs.. but they were not treated properly by the judicial system. Trump's biggest fault has been how much faith he puts in the police and the judicial system. They should have been charged with lesser crimes, and spent a couple of years in jail. The compensation they eventually got was grossly excessive. Four of them got $7.1 million.. the 5th got $12.2 million.

Here are the names and ages of the 5 thugs.. or I should really say three...
Korey Wise 18 1 traffic citation
Raymond Santana 15 41 theft, 90 prostitution
Yusef Salaam 16 4 robbery, 4 rape
Antron McCray 16 6 traffic citations
Kevin Richardson 16 4 Sodomy, 4 robbery, 5 rape, 4 2nd degree murder

Keep in mind that almost all of these charges are BEFORE the Central Park event. (the traffic citations are after)
The jury were probably not OFFICIALLY made aware of the crimes of Santana, Salaam, McCray, and Richardson because they were juveniles at the time.
Of the 5.. two seem to be "clean"
Santana is obviously a thief and prostitute - but otherwise clean

Yusef Salaam is a robber who can't keep his dick in his pants..
Kevin Richardson.. that guy truly belongs in prison - it seems he had participated in crimes with Yusef Salaam.

The guy with the lavendar scarf is the prostitute.. :bsex:

I hope RoyalCrown is happy now..

Frederick, I actually am proud of you for once being able to define your opinion, follow through without any deflection, defend that opinion and thoughtfully critique every single instance of the topic of this thread. Thank you. Why was it so hard to do that in the first place? You even pointed out the president's faults. And while I disagree with most of what you said, I do agree they were not treated properly by the justice system which is the case for millions of poor people (regardless of race) in this country.

You're right that this case goes back some 28 years; however, the president was asked while campaigning for president in 2016 does he still feel the same way and he replied that he does. That makes it fair game until he either addresses it again or walks back his claims. I actually am for the death penalty but only when there's undeniable evidence that the person up for execution actually did the horrific crime. I believe the death penalty is a deterrent and I don't think I'll ever change that position. I agree that rape should not be crime punished by death penalty, only capital murder. So there's some disagreement between us there but that's why this is called the Politics & Debate section, so we can debate and not reduce ourselves to childishness.

I just can't thank you enough, sincerely, for finally showing that you can stay on point and make your argument. I respect you for this and I hope to see more of it. We don't have to agree or want the same things, it's always been about defining your argument and debating on the merits of your argument instead of deflecting and derailing without debating. I'm not being sarcastic or anything like that when I say you can help make this forum live up to its name again. So, what do you say? Are you going to help make this forum great again? :hug:

USHorizon

@royalcrown89:

@Frederick:

I find it fascinating that RoyalCrown has to go back 28 years to find something to comment about.

It's pretty obvious that the 5 punks committed a crime.. HOWEVER.. I am taking a look at this case and have some comments that should make RoyalCrown happy.
If you want, give me the names and ages (and exact birthdates if you can) and I will look up those "fellows" charged in the attacks. I have found some, but not all of their names and ages. I have not yet done background checks on them.

REGARDLESS of that…
The death penalty is stupid. It costs far more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for a lifetime. Far too often, people sentenced to death have been later found to be not guilty. (the man I sometimes refer to would have been executed if the country he is in had the death penalty.. a lot of people are going to pay dearly when it is revealed that not only is he not guilty, but the proof that he is not guilty was always there - but ignored. The actual killer was a drag queen that lived directly above the accused man. The drag queen committed suicide a few months after the murder). Given the choice between a lifetime in prison and a quick painless execution.. it would be far more punishing to keep them in prison. Dead people feel no pain or remorse.

Some, if not all of the accused Central Park 5 were minors at the time. suggesting that they should be executed is absurd. You don't execute minors. The reasoning part of the human brain is not even fully developed until about 25 years of age.

The victim was not killed.. and executing someone for rape is absurd. At the MOST, they should castrate a rapist - not execute.

It seems that the accused 5 were OVERCHARGED. The woman was raped, but since there were several people involved, it is difficult, if not impossible to PROVE guilt unless you find their DNA up in her vag. They did find DNA of one person whom was not one of the 5 charged. The only way you could prove rape is if they confessed to doing it themselves. Even then, I don't think they were sufficiently represented, nor old enough to be making a confession. Furthermore, even if they did make a legitimate confession, the fact that they made the confession should have resulted in a plea bargain where they would NOT be convicted of rape - otherwise why would anybody confess to anything? Keep in mind that at least 10% of people who confess to rape only do so as a plea bargain to avoid more severe punishment.

There is a big question of what those five were doing at Central Park at 9:30PM. I doubt very much they were there to have a picnic or feed the pigeons.

I think the biggest issue with that case is how the punishment for rape is so severe, and the burden of proof is so low. One simple example of that... a man and woman have sex. The man dumps the woman after sex, or doesn't call her back, or gave her a fake phone number, or didn't pay her, or gets an STD, or finds out the man has a girlfriend / wife, or gets pregnant, etc. The woman who was completely consensual at the time, and perhaps even seduced the man, is then pissed off, and decides to file rape charges. Pretty much no male is safe from that scenario. There have been countless cases in the news of celebrities charged with rape.. and this happens all the time with non-celebrities as well.

I am not shedding any tears for those 5 thugs.. but they were not treated properly by the judicial system. Trump's biggest fault has been how much faith he puts in the police and the judicial system. They should have been charged with lesser crimes, and spent a couple of years in jail. The compensation they eventually got was grossly excessive. Four of them got $7.1 million.. the 5th got $12.2 million.

Here are the names and ages of the 5 thugs.. or I should really say three...
Korey Wise 18 1 traffic citation
Raymond Santana 15 41 theft, 90 prostitution
Yusef Salaam 16 4 robbery, 4 rape
Antron McCray 16 6 traffic citations
Kevin Richardson 16 4 Sodomy, 4 robbery, 5 rape, 4 2nd degree murder

Keep in mind that almost all of these charges are BEFORE the Central Park event. (the traffic citations are after)
The jury were probably not OFFICIALLY made aware of the crimes of Santana, Salaam, McCray, and Richardson because they were juveniles at the time.
Of the 5.. two seem to be "clean"
Santana is obviously a thief and prostitute - but otherwise clean

Yusef Salaam is a robber who can't keep his dick in his pants..
Kevin Richardson.. that guy truly belongs in prison - it seems he had participated in crimes with Yusef Salaam.

The guy with the lavendar scarf is the prostitute.. :bsex:

I hope RoyalCrown is happy now..

Frederick, I actually am proud of you for once being able to define your opinion, follow through without any deflection, defend that opinion and thoughtfully critique every single instance of the topic of this thread. Thank you. Why was it so hard to do that in the first place? You even pointed out the president's faults. And while I disagree with most of what you said, I do agree they were not treated properly by the justice system which is the case for millions of poor people (regardless of race) in this country.

You're right that this case goes back some 28 years; however, the president was asked while campaigning for president in 2016 does he still feel the same way and he replied that he does. That makes it fair game until he either addresses it again or walks back his claims. I actually am for the death penalty but only when there's undeniable evidence that the person up for execution actually did the horrific crime. I believe the death penalty is a deterrent and I don't think I'll ever change that position. I agree that rape should not be crime punished by death penalty, only capital murder. So there's some disagreement between us there but that's why this is called the Politics & Debate section, so we can debate and not reduce ourselves to childishness.

I just can't thank you enough, sincerely, for finally showing that you can stay on point and make your argument. I respect you for this and I hope to see more of it. We don't have to agree or want the same things, it's always been about defining your argument and debating on the merits of your argument instead of deflecting and derailing without debating. I'm not being sarcastic or anything like that when I say you can help make this forum live up to its name again. So, what do you say? Are you going to help make this forum great again? :hug:

Frederick staying on point and making coherent arguments.
Like that time Trump successfully read the teleprompter at the State of the Union.
The bar is so low
Every limbo boy and girl
All around the limbo world
Gonna do the limbo rock
All around the limbo clock
Jack be limbo, Jack be quick
Jack go unda limbo stick
All around the limbo clock
Hey, let's do the limbo rock
Limbo lower now
Limbo lower now
How low can you go

royalcrown89

I feel like this thread was a breakthrough, and even with the attempts at derailment, we made some progress on stating our arguments and defending them instead of using childish tactics to shut the discussion down. Once again, we don't have to agree on everything. It's not about that. It's also not about keeping people from talking about certain things. We are not children. We are all adults and adults know how to state what they believe without basing their arguments on falsehoods and alternative realities. Hopefully, this is a sign that we are going to improve the Politics & Debate section by actually debating with our arguments, not by constant downvoting or multiple negative reputation hits in one day. Thanks to everyone who participated and a special thank you to Frederick. I hope to see more of that in your posts, man :thankyou: