Civility Poll
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I don't care about valid downvoting, have at it.
What I was talking about is leftists blindly and rabidly following their enemies around the forums so they could downvote everything they posted. The leftists didn't care what was posted, just who posted it.
In another section, a leftist mentioned something that I hadn't seen. The leftist gave me a link and I thanked him. Both of us got flooded with downvotes. Similar thing happened to you when you left the leftist mindhive and condemned the violence on both sides.
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Deflection/Derailment
As I said somewhere else, screaming "deflection/derailment" at everything is just a way to stop a discussion you don't want to have.
During Obama, righties said some stupid shit about Obama and leftists didn't like it.
Now leftists are saying stupid shit about Trump and righties don't like it.
According to you, I can't mention the hypocrisy of the situation. We're only allowed to talk about how evil and whatever about Trump.
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I don't care about valid downvoting, have at it.
What I was talking about is leftists blindly and rabidly following their enemies around the forums so they could downvote everything they posted. The leftists didn't care what was posted, just who posted it.
In another section, a leftist mentioned something that I hadn't seen. The leftist gave me a link and I thanked him. Both of us got flooded with downvotes. Similar thing happened to you when you left the leftist mindhive and condemned the violence on both sides.
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Deflection/Derailment
As I said somewhere else, screaming "deflection/derailment" at everything is just a way to stop a discussion you don't want to have.
During Obama, righties said some stupid shit about Obama and leftists didn't like it.
Now leftists are saying stupid shit about Trump and righties don't like it.
According to you, I can't mention the hypocrisy of the situation. We're only allowed to talk about how evil and whatever about Trump.
Nope, nope, nope. That is simply not an example of what you and some of the others have been doing. If we were having a discussion about the Afghanistan War and I mentioned the fact that #45 lied about ending it while he was running for president AND you brought up the fact that President Obama lied about ending it, I would not call that deflection. Comparing FACTUAL actions that BOTH or MOST presidents have done is NOT deflection.
What I am calling out is this constant, "well Hillary poured bleach on Bill; therefore, she's the president and is ruining the country" deflection when we're discussing our very real president. That is a direct deflection and derailment tactic. Hillary Clinton is not a former or current president and never has been. She was a presidential nominee ONCE and she lost. Invoking her name in every single argument ruins your own argument because framing your argument on a losing candidate having without a single iota of power is a LOSING ARGUMENT. She has no power, she's not the president and we do not live in a "what if" reality.
You also cannot defend a president's actions by saying, "well, X other president did this totally unrelated thing." If we are having a discussion on the president proposing to ban transgender people from serving in the military and you defend it by stating, "President Obama supported BLM 100% and is a race baiter," that is clear deflection and derailment. Those two issues have absolutely nothing in common and one–-Obama being a race baiter---is an opinion; meanwhile, #45 in clear terms on Twitter stated he wants to ban transgender people from the military which makes it a FACT. If you're thinking about obesity rates in Mississippi and out of the blue you think the solution to it is President Obama is a race baiter, then you lack the ability to think rationally and your main intention is to deflect and derail arguments by constantly using President Obama.
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I'm not talking about bees from Africa? I'm pointing out that your poll is totally ridiculous. You are derailing the argument by saying we can't say the name Hillary under ANY circumstances or we're racist. We can't talk about the DNC under ANY circumstances because it's a derailment. You act like it's us saying, "Oh well this president did THIS, totally unrelated." It's not. This is why you REFUSE to answer any posts specifically about "The DNC cheating Bernie." That subject is OFF-LIMITS for you, because you know they are actually doing it and have NO excuse. It's obvious. You just point the finger and use ridiculous CNN reports. You aren't biased. Anything that is against the DNC or Pro-Trump is something you are just too afraid to discuss. You have NO ability to debate those things. All you have is your statements that Trump is a Nazi, and anything else is NOT to be touched. You can't do it.
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Clearly, obesity rates vs Obama is derailing.
Obama is a race baiter. That is fact. He yammers on about hate crimes, even when the incident wasn't one, while ignoring ones that blatantly were hate crimes. Like most blacks on the left and at least half the whites on the left, Obama believes that only whites can commit hate crimes. He kept up the proven lie "hands up, don't shoot". He sent 100 FBI agents to Ferguson and they proved that it was a lie and the usual race baiters refused to admit it was a lie. Even Sheila Jackson Lee, my congresswoman that I have voted for the last 24 years still maintains that lie, as do most of the other notorious race baiters in congress.
Not surprisingly, these are the very same people who maintain the feminist lies. 77c on the dollar crap is clearly debunked by the Dept of Labor's own stats. FBI stats debunk college rape claims.
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I'm not talking about bees from Africa? I'm pointing out that your poll is totally ridiculous. You are derailing the argument by saying we can't say the name Hillary under ANY circumstances or we're racist. We can't talk about the DNC under ANY circumstances because it's a derailment. You act like it's us saying, "Oh well this president did THIS, totally unrelated." It's not. This is why you REFUSE to answer any posts specifically about "The DNC cheating Bernie." That subject is OFF-LIMITS for you, because you know they are actually doing it and have NO excuse. It's obvious. You just point the finger and use ridiculous CNN reports. You aren't biased. Anything that is against the DNC or Pro-Trump is something you are just too afraid to discuss. You have NO ability to debate those things. All you have is your statements that Trump is a Nazi, and anything else is NOT to be touched. You can't do it.
It was an example of how ridiculous your derailment can be at times. And I'm not saying you can't talk about Hillary or President Obama or whatever; I'm saying there is a time and place to discuss them and while discussing topics that have absolutely nothing to do with them you are making an effort to derail arguments when you bring them into those topics. Lastly, I don't participate in your conspiracy posts because that would be a total waste of my time. I'm not going to debate irrational rants and then have to invoke the immortal words of Maxine Waters, "I'm reclaiming my time," over and over again. It's simply not worth it. Your rants and conspiracy posts aren't worth it, and that's okay. Rant away because this is an open forum where you can talk about anything you want to. Just don't bring that childishness into rational discussions that are actually worthy of debate. When you do that, you're trying to derail and we all know it. Thank you for finally stating an argument and defending it, though. Seems like someone is taking a page out of Frederick's book.
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Clearly, obesity rates vs Obama is derailing.
Obama is a race baiter. That is fact. He yammers on about hate crimes, even when the incident wasn't one, while ignoring ones that blatantly were hate crimes. Like most blacks on the left and at least half the whites on the left, Obama believes that only whites can commit hate crimes. He kept up the proven lie "hands up, don't shoot". He sent 100 FBI agents to Ferguson and they proved that it was a lie and the usual race baiters refused to admit it was a lie. Even Sheila Jackson Lee, my congresswoman that I have voted for the last 24 years still maintains that lie, as do most of the other notorious race baiters in congress.
Not surprisingly, these are the very same people who maintain the feminist lies. 77c on the dollar crap is clearly debunked by the Dept of Labor's own stats. FBI stats debunk college rape claims.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this because we'll never come to some middle ground on something this deep. This country has had a race problem going back centuries and a lot has to happen for things to change in a better direction. Calling President Obama a race baiter is an opinion just like calling #45 a bigot is an opinion. Until you can read the minds of people, it's an opinion. That's why I pointed to #45 calling for a renewed ban on transgender people not serving in the military. That's not an opinion, it's something he actually tweeted and has supported on video. Unless you can point me to a video or statement by Barack Obama saying, "White people are my enemy," or "I'm going to use a specific incident to invoke racism," calling him a race baiter is an opinion. I called #45 a bigot after he called KKK members and neo-nazis "good people" but that's only MY OPINION. I cannot read the president's mind and if you want to call my opinion irrational based off of what you know, fine. That's why they are called opinions.
But back to my point, the derailment tactics are childish and my examples are not very far off of what has been going on here. If I make the argument that our president is a bigot, then why not make a counter-argument of why you believe he is not a bigot. "Hillary Clinton idolizes Margaret Sanger," is not a counter-argument to the OPINION that our president is a bigot. Do you know what would be? I'll give you an example. "The president is not a bigot because he has given money and has provided council for both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in the past. He has also been awarded by various NAACP chapters." Then we could have a debate on those factual claims about #45 because he did indeed give money to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and has been awarded by the NAACP many times. For some odd reason, no one on here likes to do that type of research to defend their claims. Instead, you go right for the Hillary and Obama cards. Do you not understand how that weakens your argument?
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What??? Nobody is deflecting accept for you. We address the issues you state about Trump and quote him.
You say we're racist because he wants a wall - we ask why they can't just show their ID.
You say we're racist because he didn't attack Nazis fast enough - we show pictures of the Charlottesville killer in Antifa gear.
You say we're racist because he didn't "know David Duke," - we say he doesn't know him personally- he condemned him already over and over.
It's ridiculous that you attack us for deflecting against your fraudulent conspiracies.
Just stop promoting the idea that Trump is the racist - It's YOU - hello!
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What??? Nobody is deflecting accept for you. We address the issues you state about Trump and quote him.
You say we're racist because he wants a wall - we ask why they can't just show their ID.
You say we're racist because he didn't attack Nazis fast enough - we show pictures of the Charlottesville killer in Antifa gear.
You say we're racist because he didn't "know David Duke," - we say he doesn't know him personally- he condemned him already over and over.
It's ridiculous that you attack us for deflecting against your fraudulent conspiracies.
Just stop promoting the idea that Trump is the racist - It's YOU - hello!
Half of this I have no idea what you're talking about because I never called YOU a racist for your stance on ANY of it. The other half is just stuff you either made up or found on some right-wing conspiracy site or Infowars. According to Fox News and various other right-leaning sites, the killer was clearly marching with the white supremacists as depicted in this non-photoshopped pic of him I just found on the Fox News website:
The pic you're referring to was most likely that photoshopped pic of him that's been floating around various conspiracy sites.
Still, this is way off topic. We're discussing derailment and deflection and I'm not letting that point go until we come to some kind of agreement on how to move forward.
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Oooooooo it's just photoshop. Yea, that's why they deleted every one of his Twitter and Facebook posts the day after…
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Let me ask you a question. Why were all his Twitter and Facebook posts deleted immediately after this? That's called a red flag. It's always non-stop red flags with you guys. He is pictured with Antifa, and you call it Photoshop. Ok, so if you are a photoshop expert, then why is no one who works for Adobe calling it out? Why don't you email or call Adobe and ask them?
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I would do it myself. Because you won't. Anything potentially damaging is something "deflective." But Adobe wants you to provide a receipt, and I never paid them for anything. Adobe never gets involved, because they are part of the whole conspiracy.
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Let me ask you a question. Why were all his Twitter and Facebook posts deleted immediately after this? That's called a red flag. It's always non-stop red flags with you guys. He is pictured with Antifa, and you call it Photoshop. Ok, so if you are a photoshop expert, then why is no one who works for Adobe calling it out? Why don't you email or call Adobe and ask them?
He's being charged with a serious crime. The prosecutor has probably seized his social media accounts to provide evidence for the trial before his friends or family members could remove it. That or maybe his family was allowed to delete his accounts after the prosecutor got what was needed. I'm not Photoshop expert but I use it all the time (I use it to make my signature pics and GIFs). It's very easy to point out a Photoshopped image. There's also a bunch of Snopes articles calling out the right-wing conspiracy theories surrounding the case, here's one: http://www.snopes.com/charlottesville-killer-radical-leftist/
Now, can we get back to the point of this thread or are you going to keep derailing to this pointless conspiracy theory that has been debunked already?
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Here we go with your statement that it was "most-likely photoshopped." You don't know that. The evidence otherwise suggests that it should definitely be investigated and not brushed off as a conspiracy theory, especially given the fact that Soros has funded Antifa and all these ads on Craigslist. You are making insinuations and you just need to be more biased and question before just believing.
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I honestly do NOT think that picture was photoshopped. It's looks real to me. Why don't you ask Adobe?
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Here we go with your statement that it was "most-likely photoshopped." You don't know that. The evidence otherwise suggests that it should definitely be investigated and not brushed off as a conspiracy theory, especially given the fact that Soros has funded Antifa and all these ads on Craigslist. You are making insinuations and you just need to be more biased and question before just believing.
No, it's not "most likely photoshopped," it is photoshopped. I've seen that pic and it's being floated around on right-wing conspiracy sites. The actual images and video footage of him in the background clearly shows him marching with the white supremacists and as a result, AG Sessions is investigating the incident as a civil rights violation case. This is clearly an attempt to take this thread :ot: therefore I am not replying to you anymore about this and your blatant derailment will become that much more apparent. This thread is about civility and the need to stop blatant derailment and deflection, not about the Charlottesville case.
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You say it IS photoshopped, without any proof. That is ridiculous. "I'm not responding to you anymore." That's the problem. You make silly statements and then all of a sudden when it's found out to be insanity you backtrack and disappear. You're sick. You're losing. You're done.
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You say it's photoshopped, for sure, so where is your proof? You can't just say something and expect us to just believe you, bro.
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Calling Trump a racist, fully justifies pointing out that the person you voted for (Hillary) worships at least 3 known racists.
As far as I know, Trump didn't say that there are some good racists. He said that there are some good people on both sides; left vs right.
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As far as I know, Trump didn't say that there are some good racists.
You're going off of "as far as you know" while I'm going off of the actual words that came out of his mouth on LIVE TV.
Now back to the point of this thread, can we come to an agreement that direct attempts at deflection and/or derailment should be an automatic admission of a failed argument? Can we also come to an agreement that mass spam posting about Harvard cancer study conspiracy theories or other things that have absolutely NOTHING to do with politics be moved to other sections? We should work toward some sort of mutual conclusion so that this civility thread can finally be closed.
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