Civility Poll
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Actually, all the complaints have come from liberals wanting to ban "wrong thinkers", such as myself. They want a bike lock liberal echo chamber.
Not surprisingly, most of the complaints about this section are from people who freely admit they have never read anything posted here. They are only complaining based on the titles of the threads and deeming it a white supremacist haven.
That bike-lock liberal thing is getting old, don't you think? What if I referred to all of you as Ferguson whites?
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Go ahead, thanks to Obama's pathetic attempt at race baiting the issue, we found out Ferguson is no where as bad as claimed.
100 FBI agents and 20,000 pages of reports showed the only lie came from blacks who claimed "hands up, don't shoot" and Michael Brown dindu nuffin.
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Go ahead, thanks to Obama's pathetic attempt at race baiting the issue, we found out Ferguson is no where as bad as claimed.
100 FBI agents and 20,000 pages of reports showed the only lie came from blacks who claimed "hands up, don't shoot" and Michael Brown dindu nuffin.
I will complememt you on your civility, but you have your facts all wrong. Spintendo, in another thread, referenced the DOJ report of policing practices in Ferguson. Since I suspect you haven't read it and probably won't, here's a look at its table of contents:
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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REPORT SUMMARY
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II.
BACKGROUND6
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FERGUSON LAW ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS ARE FOCUSED ON GENERATING REVENUE
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FERGUSON LAW ENFORCEMENT PRACTICES VIOLATE THE LAW AND UNDERMINE COMMUNITY TRUST, ESPECIALLY AMONG AFRICAN
AMERICANS
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Ferguson’s Police Practices
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FPD Engages in a Pattern of Unconstitutional Stops and Arrests in Violation
of the Fourth Amendment
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FPD Engages in a Pattern
of
First Amendment Violations
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FPD Engages in a Pattern of Excessive Force in Violation of the Fourth
Amendment28
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Ferguson’s Municipal Court Practices
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Court Practices Impose Substantial and Unnecessary Barriers to the
Challenge or Resolution of Municipal Code Violations
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The Court Imposes Unduly Harsh Penalties for Missed Payments or
Appearances
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C.
Ferguson Law Enforcement Practices Disproportionately Harm Ferguson’s
African -AmericanResidents and Are Driven in Part by Racial Bias
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Ferguson’s Law Enforcement Actions Impose a Disparate Impact on African
Americans that Violates Federal Law
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Ferguson’s Law Enforcement Practices Are Motivated in Part by
Discriminatory Intent in Violation of the Fourteenth Amendment and Other
Federal Laws
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Ferguson Law Enforcement Practices Erode Community Trust, Especially Among Ferguson’s African-American
Residents, and Make Policing Less Effective, More Difficult, and Less Safe
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Ferguson’s
Unlawful Police and Court Practices Have Led to Distrust and
Resentment Among Many in Ferguson
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2.
FPD’s Exercise of Discretion, Even When Lawful, Often Undermines
Community Trust and Public Safety
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3.
FPD’s Failure to Respond to Complaints of Officer Misconduct Further
Erodes Community Trust
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FPD’s Lack of Community Engagement Increases the Likelihood of Discriminatory Policing and Damages Public TrustYou may have been speaking about the Michael Brown case itself, but clearly there was a wider systemic problem in Ferguson.
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Michael Brown was a "clean kill". The FBI proved this.
While I haven't finished the whole report, what I have read doesn't make Ferguson any different than any other police department.
The report also ignores factors that influence actions by the PD, courts and city.
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dindu nuffin.
Was this really necessary, raphjd? I hope you're not suggesting every black person speaks this way because I do not and I don't know anyone who does. Please reconsider these kinds of actions in your future responses. I'm all for free speech, you know this, but that was clearly in poor taste.
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dindu nuffin.
Was this really necessary, raphjd? I hope you're not suggesting every black person speaks this way because I do not and I don't know anyone who does. Please reconsider these kinds of actions in your future responses. I'm all for free speech, you know this, but that was clearly in poor taste.
Just to be clear, are you saying the phrase "dindu nuffin" is inherently racist?
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dindu nuffin.
Was this really necessary, raphjd? I hope you're not suggesting every black person speaks this way because I do not and I don't know anyone who does. Please reconsider these kinds of actions in your future responses. I'm all for free speech, you know this, but that was clearly in poor taste.
Just to be clear, are you saying the phrase "dindu nuffin" is inherently racist?
Yes.
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Aside from being busy with work lately, it's become apparent to me that there's very little interest in meeting at some sort of middle ground specially with some of those active posters here.
I well and truly applaud your attempts at civility royal- however it's apparent to anyone who takes the time to read responses here just which posters aren't interested in civil discourse and just want to toss insults around to puff up their lack of substance. :laugh:
Also- I find it very suspicious how the manipulation of forum reputation has gone in a very one-sided direction- quite the opposite of what people upvote and downvote. Maybe there's something to look into there, I'll leave it to admin like raph to look into.More power to you royal, and those of you who still continue to engage in a more or less civil manner. Maybe when I've got more time I'll engage here again. Pax! ;D
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Also- I find it very suspicious how the manipulation of forum reputation has gone in a very one-sided direction- quite the opposite of what people upvote and downvote. Maybe there's something to look into there, I'll leave it to admin like raph to look into.
Reputation and post voting are both being manipulated.
Liberals have been using the down vote against their enemies for quite a while now. They do not care what is said, they look for the name of the poster and down vote it.
The conservatives pretty recently started doing reputation manipulation.
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Reputation and post voting are both being manipulated.
Liberals have been using the down vote against their enemies for quite a while now. They do not care what is said, they look for the name of the poster and down vote it.
The conservatives pretty recently started doing reputation manipulation.
Maybe we should just get rid of both voting and reputation. They seem to just add to the toxicity of the forum rather than anything positive.
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dindu nuffin.
Was this really necessary, raphjd? I hope you're not suggesting every black person speaks this way because I do not and I don't know anyone who does. Please reconsider these kinds of actions in your future responses. I'm all for free speech, you know this, but that was clearly in poor taste.
Just to be clear, are you saying the phrase "dindu nuffin" is inherently racist?
Yes.
Ok, I'll play.
Are you saying that anyone who uses "cash me ou'side" is anti white racist and anti women? I bet not.
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Aside from being busy with work lately, it's become apparent to me that there's very little interest in meeting at some sort of middle ground specially with some of those active posters here.
I well and truly applaud your attempts at civility royal- however it's apparent to anyone who takes the time to read responses here just which posters aren't interested in civil discourse and just want to toss insults around to puff up their lack of substance. :laugh:
Also- I find it very suspicious how the manipulation of forum reputation has gone in a very one-sided direction- quite the opposite of what people upvote and downvote. Maybe there's something to look into there, I'll leave it to admin like raph to look into.More power to you royal, and those of you who still continue to engage in a more or less civil manner. Maybe when I've got more time I'll engage here again. Pax! ;D
Yeah, I'm probably going to be spending less time on here as well. It is VERY obvious who is willing to be more civil and who isn't at this point. Raphjd still deflects every now and then but he's not spamming like some of the others still are and he has been enforcing the main rules pretty fairly. At least we can say we tried to change the course of this forum so that everyone, regardless of party/ideological affiliation, can support their views and defend their arguments in a civil manner. It was never about shaming people or taking sides, it truly was just about supporting your views and defending your arguments without the constant childishness, flaming and spamming. It may change but if not, like I said, at least an effort was made. I feel good about making that effort too :cheers:
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When you guys don't get your way, you always play victim. That's what all these super sad posts are projecting. You didn't have any criticism of Kathy Griffin when she was promoting violence, not even when she got fired! You're not PRO-civility. Not even a little bit. You're terrible actors and we're not falling for it.
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When you guys don't get your way, you always play victim. That's what all these super sad posts are projecting. You didn't have any criticism of Kathy Griffin when she was promoting violence, not even when she got fired! You're not PRO-civility. Not even a little bit. You're terrible actors and we're not falling for it.
My call for civility was genuine and I called for a change on behalf of EVERYONE, including myself. I admitted that I was a part of the problem many times in this thread. I did criticize Kathy Griffin for what she did, as did many others who support the left on here did. We also supported the fact that she was FIRED for what she did. The fact is, I'm one of the only people on the left here who constantly calls out the left's violence that the media won't call out. I praised a Wisconsin Republican bill aimed at curbing that violence on college campuses. You have no idea what you are talking about mhorndisk. You're the one constantly posting spam on here. You're the one writing 7 replies to yourself in a row and making multiple threads about the same exact topic. You're also the one that has been warned because of your disgusting language. So tell me again, which one of us is pro-civility and which one isn't?
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Saying that Kathy Griffin was not criticized on this board or anywhere else simply is not true. She was almost universally called out for it. She apologized. Nonetheless, even CNN fired her from their New Year's Eve show, and she lost most of he comedy bookings. It was clearly a mistake. We are not afraid to say it. When has mhorndisk admitted that he or one of his heroes is wrong? He still clings to birtherism and throwing Hillary in jail. He rejects out of hand the report by the FBI, NSA and CIA that Russia meddled in our election. But this thread was not about this issue at all, it was about being civil to each other.
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll. -
Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll.You either want to be civil or you don't. There's no way to misconstrue that. And no, I am not calling for the removal of raphjd, I'm calling for there to be more than one person moderating this forum because it is not a forum where ALL people feel welcome to post comments without their threads being derailed and/or being called a bunch of childish names and their reputation down-voted just for speaking their mind. I am also NOT calling for the removal of this forum, either. This forum is a place for free speech and I am for free speech, but what I am against is constant derailment, deflection, and pettiness by users like you. When have you ever made an argument on here, stuck to that argument, backed that argument up with FACTS, defended said argument and then came to a conclusion on here? I can answer that for you Frederick, NEVER. You have never done that.
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll.You either want to be civil or you don't. There's no way to misconstrue that. And no, I am not calling for the removal of raphjd, I'm calling for there to be more than one person moderating this forum because it is not a forum where ALL people feel welcome to post comments without their threads being derailed and/or being called a bunch of childish names and their reputation down-voted just for speaking their mind. I am also NOT calling for the removal of this forum, either. This forum is a place for free speech and I am for free speech, but what I am against is constant derailment, deflection, and pettiness by users like you. When have you ever made an argument on here, stuck to that argument, backed that argument up with FACTS, defended said argument and then came to a conclusion on here? I can answer that for you Frederick, NEVER. You have never done that.
Somehow the word "ALWAYS" got replaced with "NEVER" in your statement.
No wonder I have a nice lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation… whilst you have a nasty lonnnnnng RED line which is well deserved.
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll.You either want to be civil or you don't. There's no way to misconstrue that. And no, I am not calling for the removal of raphjd, I'm calling for there to be more than one person moderating this forum because it is not a forum where ALL people feel welcome to post comments without their threads being derailed and/or being called a bunch of childish names and their reputation down-voted just for speaking their mind. I am also NOT calling for the removal of this forum, either. This forum is a place for free speech and I am for free speech, but what I am against is constant derailment, deflection, and pettiness by users like you. When have you ever made an argument on here, stuck to that argument, backed that argument up with FACTS, defended said argument and then came to a conclusion on here? I can answer that for you Frederick, NEVER. You have never done that.
Somehow the word "ALWAYS" got replaced with "NEVER" in your statement.
No wonder I have a nice lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation… whilst you have a nasty lonnnnnng RED line which is well deserved.
You have a nice lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation because you constantly go to the reputations of those you don't like and downgrade them day after day after day. Therefore, your lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation is just another symbol of how you're contributing to the toxicity of this forum. What kind of a person waits an hour at a time just to downgrade someone's reputation multiple times in the same day?? You need professional help.
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