Civility Poll
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dindu nuffin.
Was this really necessary, raphjd? I hope you're not suggesting every black person speaks this way because I do not and I don't know anyone who does. Please reconsider these kinds of actions in your future responses. I'm all for free speech, you know this, but that was clearly in poor taste.
Just to be clear, are you saying the phrase "dindu nuffin" is inherently racist?
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dindu nuffin.
Was this really necessary, raphjd? I hope you're not suggesting every black person speaks this way because I do not and I don't know anyone who does. Please reconsider these kinds of actions in your future responses. I'm all for free speech, you know this, but that was clearly in poor taste.
Just to be clear, are you saying the phrase "dindu nuffin" is inherently racist?
Yes.
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Aside from being busy with work lately, it's become apparent to me that there's very little interest in meeting at some sort of middle ground specially with some of those active posters here.
I well and truly applaud your attempts at civility royal- however it's apparent to anyone who takes the time to read responses here just which posters aren't interested in civil discourse and just want to toss insults around to puff up their lack of substance. :laugh:
Also- I find it very suspicious how the manipulation of forum reputation has gone in a very one-sided direction- quite the opposite of what people upvote and downvote. Maybe there's something to look into there, I'll leave it to admin like raph to look into.More power to you royal, and those of you who still continue to engage in a more or less civil manner. Maybe when I've got more time I'll engage here again. Pax! ;D
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Also- I find it very suspicious how the manipulation of forum reputation has gone in a very one-sided direction- quite the opposite of what people upvote and downvote. Maybe there's something to look into there, I'll leave it to admin like raph to look into.
Reputation and post voting are both being manipulated.
Liberals have been using the down vote against their enemies for quite a while now. They do not care what is said, they look for the name of the poster and down vote it.
The conservatives pretty recently started doing reputation manipulation.
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Reputation and post voting are both being manipulated.
Liberals have been using the down vote against their enemies for quite a while now. They do not care what is said, they look for the name of the poster and down vote it.
The conservatives pretty recently started doing reputation manipulation.
Maybe we should just get rid of both voting and reputation. They seem to just add to the toxicity of the forum rather than anything positive.
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dindu nuffin.
Was this really necessary, raphjd? I hope you're not suggesting every black person speaks this way because I do not and I don't know anyone who does. Please reconsider these kinds of actions in your future responses. I'm all for free speech, you know this, but that was clearly in poor taste.
Just to be clear, are you saying the phrase "dindu nuffin" is inherently racist?
Yes.
Ok, I'll play.
Are you saying that anyone who uses "cash me ou'side" is anti white racist and anti women? I bet not.
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Aside from being busy with work lately, it's become apparent to me that there's very little interest in meeting at some sort of middle ground specially with some of those active posters here.
I well and truly applaud your attempts at civility royal- however it's apparent to anyone who takes the time to read responses here just which posters aren't interested in civil discourse and just want to toss insults around to puff up their lack of substance. :laugh:
Also- I find it very suspicious how the manipulation of forum reputation has gone in a very one-sided direction- quite the opposite of what people upvote and downvote. Maybe there's something to look into there, I'll leave it to admin like raph to look into.More power to you royal, and those of you who still continue to engage in a more or less civil manner. Maybe when I've got more time I'll engage here again. Pax! ;D
Yeah, I'm probably going to be spending less time on here as well. It is VERY obvious who is willing to be more civil and who isn't at this point. Raphjd still deflects every now and then but he's not spamming like some of the others still are and he has been enforcing the main rules pretty fairly. At least we can say we tried to change the course of this forum so that everyone, regardless of party/ideological affiliation, can support their views and defend their arguments in a civil manner. It was never about shaming people or taking sides, it truly was just about supporting your views and defending your arguments without the constant childishness, flaming and spamming. It may change but if not, like I said, at least an effort was made. I feel good about making that effort too :cheers:
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When you guys don't get your way, you always play victim. That's what all these super sad posts are projecting. You didn't have any criticism of Kathy Griffin when she was promoting violence, not even when she got fired! You're not PRO-civility. Not even a little bit. You're terrible actors and we're not falling for it.
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When you guys don't get your way, you always play victim. That's what all these super sad posts are projecting. You didn't have any criticism of Kathy Griffin when she was promoting violence, not even when she got fired! You're not PRO-civility. Not even a little bit. You're terrible actors and we're not falling for it.
My call for civility was genuine and I called for a change on behalf of EVERYONE, including myself. I admitted that I was a part of the problem many times in this thread. I did criticize Kathy Griffin for what she did, as did many others who support the left on here did. We also supported the fact that she was FIRED for what she did. The fact is, I'm one of the only people on the left here who constantly calls out the left's violence that the media won't call out. I praised a Wisconsin Republican bill aimed at curbing that violence on college campuses. You have no idea what you are talking about mhorndisk. You're the one constantly posting spam on here. You're the one writing 7 replies to yourself in a row and making multiple threads about the same exact topic. You're also the one that has been warned because of your disgusting language. So tell me again, which one of us is pro-civility and which one isn't?
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Saying that Kathy Griffin was not criticized on this board or anywhere else simply is not true. She was almost universally called out for it. She apologized. Nonetheless, even CNN fired her from their New Year's Eve show, and she lost most of he comedy bookings. It was clearly a mistake. We are not afraid to say it. When has mhorndisk admitted that he or one of his heroes is wrong? He still clings to birtherism and throwing Hillary in jail. He rejects out of hand the report by the FBI, NSA and CIA that Russia meddled in our election. But this thread was not about this issue at all, it was about being civil to each other.
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll. -
Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll.You either want to be civil or you don't. There's no way to misconstrue that. And no, I am not calling for the removal of raphjd, I'm calling for there to be more than one person moderating this forum because it is not a forum where ALL people feel welcome to post comments without their threads being derailed and/or being called a bunch of childish names and their reputation down-voted just for speaking their mind. I am also NOT calling for the removal of this forum, either. This forum is a place for free speech and I am for free speech, but what I am against is constant derailment, deflection, and pettiness by users like you. When have you ever made an argument on here, stuck to that argument, backed that argument up with FACTS, defended said argument and then came to a conclusion on here? I can answer that for you Frederick, NEVER. You have never done that.
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll.You either want to be civil or you don't. There's no way to misconstrue that. And no, I am not calling for the removal of raphjd, I'm calling for there to be more than one person moderating this forum because it is not a forum where ALL people feel welcome to post comments without their threads being derailed and/or being called a bunch of childish names and their reputation down-voted just for speaking their mind. I am also NOT calling for the removal of this forum, either. This forum is a place for free speech and I am for free speech, but what I am against is constant derailment, deflection, and pettiness by users like you. When have you ever made an argument on here, stuck to that argument, backed that argument up with FACTS, defended said argument and then came to a conclusion on here? I can answer that for you Frederick, NEVER. You have never done that.
Somehow the word "ALWAYS" got replaced with "NEVER" in your statement.
No wonder I have a nice lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation… whilst you have a nasty lonnnnnng RED line which is well deserved.
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll.You either want to be civil or you don't. There's no way to misconstrue that. And no, I am not calling for the removal of raphjd, I'm calling for there to be more than one person moderating this forum because it is not a forum where ALL people feel welcome to post comments without their threads being derailed and/or being called a bunch of childish names and their reputation down-voted just for speaking their mind. I am also NOT calling for the removal of this forum, either. This forum is a place for free speech and I am for free speech, but what I am against is constant derailment, deflection, and pettiness by users like you. When have you ever made an argument on here, stuck to that argument, backed that argument up with FACTS, defended said argument and then came to a conclusion on here? I can answer that for you Frederick, NEVER. You have never done that.
Somehow the word "ALWAYS" got replaced with "NEVER" in your statement.
No wonder I have a nice lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation… whilst you have a nasty lonnnnnng RED line which is well deserved.
You have a nice lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation because you constantly go to the reputations of those you don't like and downgrade them day after day after day. Therefore, your lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation is just another symbol of how you're contributing to the toxicity of this forum. What kind of a person waits an hour at a time just to downgrade someone's reputation multiple times in the same day?? You need professional help.
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Option A:
"Yes, I believe the name calling and spamming is out of control"Option B:
"No, being uncivil is the only way I can get my point across"If someone calls me stupid, do I get offended? No. Because it's ridiculous and I shrug it off my shoulders. Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but words will never hurt me…" ? If someone is calling you something that is True and accurate however, it affects you enough to make this ridiculous post crying about how someone called you the boogey monster. And your profile picture is just weird. It looks demonic and it's creepy. I'm sorry, that's how I feel about it. I am allowed to feel how I feel, and I'm allowed to express those feelings. Would you prefer I lie and tell you I think it's super cute when I don't? You just love being lied to.
My choice is
There is no uncivility going on, just a bunch of people disagreeing. You are trying to censor people and force everyone to play into your personal idea of political correctness. -
OK, let's finish this topic.
Anyone on the left whining about their reputation bar needs to shut up. You guys brought it upon yourselves through the approval system manipulation.
You guys targeted your enemies for mass downvoting in every section of the forums and without a care what is posted. If your enemy made a post, you guys had to downvote it.
The fact that you guys were able to defeat my nearly 10k upvote rating shows it was planned and a concerted effort.
After a few months, the righties found out that the reputation system can be manipulated too. Now you are crying about the righties victimizing you and being uncivil.
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OK, let's finish this topic.
Anyone on the left whining about their reputation bar needs to shut up. You guys brought it upon yourselves through the approval system manipulation.
You guys targeted your enemies for mass downvoting in every section of the forums and without a care what is posted. If your enemy made a post, you guys had to downvote it.
The fact that you guys were able to defeat my nearly 10k upvote rating shows it was planned and a concerted effort.
After a few months, the righties found out that the reputation system can be manipulated too. Now you are crying about the righties victimizing you and being uncivil.
Thank you for proving my point, raphjd. When Frederick makes references to reputation power meaning something, he's playing further into the manipulation. That was the point I was making. Thank you also for suggesting we finish this topic because there really isn't much left to say. This isn't about victimization, it is about the sad truth that this forum has become very toxic and not many people want to participate. You brought up the downvoting, some users downvote because they figure what is the point trying to argue with someone who constantly deflects and derails from the topic at hand. That's my problem and that's the problem of the many users who are not participating in this forum even though they want to. I can tell you raphjd that I downvoted only the things I disagreed with you on and I often posted my argument for why I downvoted you. When I upvoted–-mainly on posts about free speech---you, I've posted the argument for why I upvoted you. My replies to you are my direct arguments even if I never blatantly state, "This is why I downvoted/upvoted you." If you want to call that some organized effort, fine. I've posted screenshots before proving the organized effort involving the reputation downgrading.
Still, there is the problem of mass deflection and derailment going on and you have yet to provide a way to bring an end to that. Why is it that a topic specifically about X can't be argued without bringing in an irrelevant Y? If I'm making the argument that watermelons can be seedless and mhorndisk derails the argument by mass posting about bees from Africa being more dangerous to humans than European bees, why is it okay for him to jump into that topic and completely derail it more than 5 times in a row about something that has nothing to do with the topic? Now apply that to politics. If I make an argument about Ohio voter suppression efforts in the 2004 presidential election and Frederick derails the argument by stating Michelle Obama is a man, why is that okay? That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic at hand, especially since we would be talking about 2004; years before millions of people knew who Michelle Obama was. Deflection and derailment are childish, and it has added to the toxicity on this forum.
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Frederick
Milo
Russian
Spam/scam bots
Provocateurs get boring after a while.
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I don't care about valid downvoting, have at it.
What I was talking about is leftists blindly and rabidly following their enemies around the forums so they could downvote everything they posted. The leftists didn't care what was posted, just who posted it.
In another section, a leftist mentioned something that I hadn't seen. The leftist gave me a link and I thanked him. Both of us got flooded with downvotes. Similar thing happened to you when you left the leftist mindhive and condemned the violence on both sides.
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Deflection/Derailment
As I said somewhere else, screaming "deflection/derailment" at everything is just a way to stop a discussion you don't want to have.
During Obama, righties said some stupid shit about Obama and leftists didn't like it.
Now leftists are saying stupid shit about Trump and righties don't like it.
According to you, I can't mention the hypocrisy of the situation. We're only allowed to talk about how evil and whatever about Trump.
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