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      rawr
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      @amicusets:

      Are you fucking insane or just monumentally stupid?

      LOL … I knew you were a zombie worshiper. Zero awareness of reality and history. Please tell me about your distorted version of the world you learned from a 2000 year old comic book written by some guy.

      Don't worry, even Donald Trump has mastered the art of manipulating the army of religious sheep.

      "Muslim Ban", LMAO...

      Glad to see ICE start rounding up the felons.

      @raphjd:

      Bruce Jenner is a republican, but it's the liberals who made him a saint for being a transvestite as part of their identity politics.

      400 years ago, excluding Northern Ireland, christians were the main problem.  Now it's clearly muslims that are the problem.

      Uh, the Liberals making Bruce Jenner a Saint? Think about that statement carefully. There was a point, not that long ago, that it was decided by certain Republican leaders to drop their anti LGBTQ stance around 2014 (I know you won't believe me so Google it.) Since then, they've 180ed on this to a certain extent. I really don't recall seeing much about Bruce since I don't read Tabloids, but I am aware Bruce was being covered, so I have no idea what you're getting at here.

      Clearly the Muslims, let's just take complex issues and blame their religion… Clearly the west imposing their values and deconstructing middle east governments had nothing to do with any of it. Come on now. Trump knew was the problem was when he decided to run, I'm not sure if he still does as his dementia appears to have advanced significantly. The problem is the extremists, and I have absolutely no problem, not letting extremists in, and blowing them up with drones. If you're an American, you should be worried about the police. In America, many more people are killed by the police every year than any kind of terrorist. A big reason for this, is that America is flooded with meth and heroin, and I'm totally for Trump, rounding up the immigrant dealers, and throwing them out of the country. Or you know what? They likely contributed to the deaths of Americans, so just throw them in the ocean… Jesús Malverde wouldn't approve of them, so it's probably better that way.

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        It wasn't a right leaning magazine that made Bruce Jenner their Woman of the Year 2016.

        Bruce has been the darling of the left media, while being nowhere when it comes to the right media.  He was on Ellen, but not Tucker Carlson; for example.

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          The whole rise of Bruce Jenner was in response to the ridiculous "bathroom bills" coming from the right.  The Daily Show did the best bit on this on why it is so ridiculous.  They opened a food truck in NC and every male who walked up to the truck was refused service on the basis of them looking gay.  These men were likely not gay.  They were just random guys trying to buy lunch but it shows the absurdity of the thinking from the right.

          This week they are all bent out of shape because private businesses have made business decisions to not carry Ivanka's products.  This is exactly the sorrt of  thing that Republicans preach.  A private business should be allowed to sell whatever they want.  I actually heard Judge Jeanine on her show say to someone on the street. "Why shouldn't I be allowed to buy these shoes?".  Isn't  the real question "why should retailers be forced to sell a product that they don't want to sell?"

          Ivanka is free to sell her products directly.  She can sell online.  She can open her  own stores.  She can sell at other retailers.  She can sell them on Ebay if she wants.  That's the great thing about America.  She has freedom…..and so do Nordstrom and TJX.

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            @aadam101:

            The whole rise of Bruce Jenner was in response to the ridiculous "bathroom bills" coming from the right.  The Daily Show did the best bit on this on why it is so ridiculous.  They opened a food truck in NC and every male who walked up to the truck was refused service on the basis of them looking gay.  These men were likely not gay.  They were just random guys trying to buy lunch but it shows the absurdity of the thinking from the right.

            This week they are all bent out of shape because private businesses have made business decisions to not carry Ivanka's products.  This is exactly the sorrt of  thing that Republicans preach.  A private business should be allowed to sell whatever they want.  I actually heard Judge Jeanine on her show say to someone on the street. "Why shouldn't I be allowed to buy these shoes?".  Isn't  the real question "why should retailers be forced to sell a product that they don't want to sell?"

            Ivanka is free to sell her products directly.  She can sell online.  She can open her  own stores.  She can sell at other retailers.  She can sell them on Ebay if she wants.  That's the great thing about America.  She has freedom…..and so do Nordstrom and TJX.

            LOL @ "She can sell them on Ebay…" Have you seen her designs? It's pretty obvious to me why they are dropping her line.

            Ivanka Clothing Lines:
            "I look like a Pillow Case"
            "I look like a Couch"
            "Ugly Patterns"
            "Weird Shoes"
            and my personal favorite
            "Blah and Over Priced"

            Take look for yourself. http://ivankatrump.com/collection/

            @raphjd:

            It wasn't a right leaning magazine that made Bruce Jenner their Woman of the Year 2016.

            Bruce has been the darling of the left media, while being nowhere when it comes to the right media.  He was on Ellen, but not Tucker Carlson; for example.

            Vanity Fair is infotainment/a tabloid. I don't read that crap.

            I've never watch an episode of Ellen, I do have actual responsibilities and don't have the time to sit around and waste my life away mentally masturbating to TV shows.

            I check the news online daily (multiple sources) and Peter Theil definitely got more coverage than Bruce Jenner from my perspective, who I honestly only remember seeing once or twice, which I didn't read, because I read the headline and thought "Who Cares? This is noise."

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              @rawr:

              Ivanka Clothing Lines:
              "I look like a Pillow Case"

              lol.  I do need some new pillow cases.  Maybe I will check it out.

              I saw on Facebook photos of her stuff at TJX stores marked down to $1 from $20-$40.  I don't know if they were real or not but I imagine these stores just want to clear out the merchandise and get this political burden off their shoulders.

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                Just because you don't read/watch X Y and Z doesn't take away from my point, unless you are claiming the entire universe revolves around you.

                Obama obviously thought Ellen was important enough to give her the Medal Of Freedom.

                I don't watch Ellen either, but I'm not stupid enough to think that because I don't watch her, that she has no influence on millions of people.

                As I've repeatedly said in various threads, if the left want to praise transsexuals for their courage, then they can choose from millions of real transsexuals, not a cheap ass cross-dresser.

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                  @raphjd:

                  Just because you don't read/watch X Y and Z doesn't take away from my point, unless you are claiming the entire universe revolves around you.

                  Obama obviously thought Ellen was important enough to give her the Medal Of Freedom.

                  I don't watch Ellen either, but I'm not stupid enough to think that because I don't watch her, that she has no influence on millions of people.

                  As I've repeatedly said in various threads, if the left want to praise transsexuals for their courage, then they can choose from millions of real transsexuals, not a cheap ass cross-dresser.

                  No, I just don't read tabloids. I just checked Google news and surely enough there are quite a few articles about Bruce Jenner, but much of it is crap like TMZ.

                  Oh my God! Did you know that supposedly she is going to have gender confirmation surgery? I just saw the headline and I still couldn't care less.

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                    I think we've all gone off topic.  I mean I don't mind tangents or anything, but again these conversation tend to become left vs. right, and I think the political conversations needs to cover other topics besides superficial differences like that.

                    To me, there are other issues about beliefs and values plaguing our country like:

                    1. The inability of everybody taking personal accountability for the state our country is in (like how did we end up with 2 unpopular choices for President; we can't just blame politicians; we must all look at ourselves and how we let that happen)
                    2. Our abilities to effectively manage social differences, conflict, discourse on complex on controversial topics, etc.  
                    3. The role bias plays in beliefs, values, the perception of reality and truth, decision-making, etc.
                    4. The evaluation and vetting of accurate information, sources, etc.  
                    5. Free speech vs. hate speech; how much freedom and security do we really want?  
                    etc.

                    And so on.  There are plenty of places to bitch about left vs. right, but to me there are deeper issues underpinning these outer ideological conflicts.

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                      Free speech includes hate speech or it's not free speech.    Free speech does not include violence, rioting and looting.

                      Hate speech is in the eye of the beholder.  The left considers facts to be racist (hate speech) unless it suits their agenda.  Anyone who disagrees with the left is a racist, rapist, child molester, woman hater, etc, etc, etc, etc ad nauseum.

                      Voting for someone because he's white is racist, but voting for someone because he's black isn't.    Voting for someone because they have a penis is sexist, but voting for someone because they have a vagina isn't.

                      Despite all the race baiting, the Obama administration proved that "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is a total lie.  100 FBI agents and nearly 20,000 pages showed that it was a complete lie.

                      UK judges are officially required to be extremely soft on women in all areas of court proceedings, but especially in sentencing.  Feminists still claim that the legal system hates them.

                      Making sex crime laws gender neutral is sexist according to feminists.

                      The above is just a small sample of why Trump won.

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                        Most of you have probably noticed how SJW's like to redefine words like "rape" and "racism". They've been trying to do this with "hate speech" as well. Until approximately 2-3 years ago, "hate speech" in the US was generally understood to be any speech that incites or encourages acts of violence. No, I don't mean the made-up SJW interpretation of the word (i.e., fucking everything is "violence". Even holding the door for someone is VIOLENCE!), but the real one. The one where people are physically assaulted, killed, have their personal property firebombed, etc. Discussion of proposed policy/personal views, however distasteful or blatantly racist is not traditionally considered hate speech, though.

                        It has to be conceded, though, that "hate speech" is a very vague, open-ended term that's rife for abuse. It really should be replaced with something more clear-cut. I am not okay with people willfully misinterpreting the meaning to silence anyone's freedom of speech. It's always been one of my most–perhaps only--strongly-held beliefs that people in the US have the right to express the most grotesque, offensive, disgusting ideas and personal convictions imaginable. The only time it breaks the law is when it goes from expressing beliefs to encouraging/inciting direct actions of violence or other egregious illegal activity such as rape.

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                          @SemenDemon:

                          It has to be conceded, though, that "hate speech" is a very vague, open-ended term that's rife for abuse. It really should be replaced with something more clear-cut. I am not okay with people willfully misinterpreting the meaning to silence anyone's freedom of speech. It's always been one of my most–perhaps only--strongly-held beliefs that people in the US have the right to express the most grotesque, offensive, disgusting ideas and personal convictions imaginable. The only time it breaks the law is when it goes from expressing beliefs to encouraging/inciting direct actions of violence or other egregious illegal activity such as rape.

                          I'm not sure what you're talking about.

                          The legal definition of "Hate Speech" is extremely clearly defined. It's not really up for debate, but some people believe whatever they want. In reality, if there's any real question as to whether it's hate speech or not, more than likely it is. I think you are confusing the issue by factoring in the "degree of offense" and in reality that isn't relevant when determining whether something is, or isn't, considered hate speech.

                          https://definitions.uslegal.com/h/hate-speech/

                          If you want to participate in hate speech in an open assembly, I would highly recommend having a lawyer review the content first as you are right about that, there is a grey area regarding when hate speech becomes a hate crime. There are many statements that are protected under the first amendment, the issues arises when the material crosses an interpreted boundary of specificity. So, if one is directing hate speech at an individual, this could be considered a hate crime. Certainly instructing a party to commit murder of a specific person, on the basis of race, would be a hate crime.

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                            It's sad what America has become, not allowing people who think differently than you to practice free speech. Resulting to violence because of your school inviting someone to speak is despicable. This happened, what, three weeks ago? I'm still angered by it.

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                              I think it's actually very encouraging to see those students standing up for what they believe in and refusing to let hate speech be propagated on their campus. This isn't a question of free speech, no one is preventing the guy from speaking his mind, just not anywhere he wants to.

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                                @Optimah:

                                I think it's actually very encouraging to see those students standing up for what they believe in and refusing to let hate speech be propagated on their campus. This isn't a question of free speech, no one is preventing the guy from speaking his mind, just not anywhere he wants to.

                                So you support violence as "free speech".

                                Would you agree with violence as free speech if it was used by those opposed to your views?  I bet not.

                                Do I get to kill feminists who claim that gender neutral sex crime laws are woman hating?    If not, why not since you support violence as free speech.

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                                  Free speech includes hate speech or it's not free speech.

                                  Don't you think there are levels of free speech?  If hate speech is included in "free speech," then would that mean you would've been for Hitler's anti-semitic propaganda back in Nazi Germany?  Is there ever a time "free speech" can be bad, or is it always a good thing because it's "free"?

                                  Free speech does not include violence, rioting and looting.

                                  Agreed.

                                  Hate speech is in the eye of the beholder.

                                  I think that goes for all of reality.  But that's why we need to have open dialogue and conversations so that the American people can try to get on the same page about what we agree and disagree with.  Right now, many of us can't even agree on what is "real".  Our perceptions on the same things are so often that each side believes the other is completely delusional.  We can continue going down the track of hyper-partisanship, tribal identity politics, and complete division–or we can at least take steps to try understanding one another better, compromising, negotiating, relating, etc.  It's when we villainize one another as the enemy that leads to this political climate rather than seeing each other as our American brother and sisters.

                                  The left considers facts to be racist (hate speech) unless it suits their agenda.  Anyone who disagrees with the left is a racist, rapist, child molester, woman hater, etc, etc, etc, etc ad nauseum.

                                  Again…can we stay away from identity politics for once and talk about the actual issues?  You have a deep seated emotional grudge against the "left".  We get it

                                  Voting for someone because he's white is racist, but voting for someone because he's black isn't.  Voting for someone because they have a penis is sexist, but voting for someone because they have a vagina isn't.

                                  Nobody intelligent is going to make such hypocritical claims.  You should have more self-esteem and emotional maturity to re-arrange your entire politics in an extreme direction based on the judgments of some morons hating on you with stupid arguments.  Now if you're misunderstanding what people are saying and reducing their complex arguments on racism and feminism to that kind of easily debated logic, then that's a different issue.  But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were attacked by members of the perverted Left and now you've swung in the opposite direction and become a member of the perverted or extreme Right in reaction.  I'm hoping you find more balance and see that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

                                  UK judges are officially required to be extremely soft on women in all areas of court proceedings, but especially in sentencing.  Feminists still claim that the legal system hates them.

                                  Making sex crime laws gender neutral is sexist according to feminists.

                                  I can't speak about UK issues, and I don't think it's a good idea that you project the situation of 1 nation onto ours.  Milo is from the UK too…Are you Milo?  :blink:

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                                    @SemenDemon:

                                    Most of you have probably noticed how SJW's like to redefine words like "rape" and "racism". They've been trying to do this with "hate speech" as well. Until approximately 2-3 years ago, "hate speech" in the US was generally understood to be any speech that incites or encourages acts of violence. No, I don't mean the made-up SJW interpretation of the word (i.e., fucking everything is "violence". Even holding the door for someone is VIOLENCE!), but the real one. The one where people are physically assaulted, killed, have their personal property firebombed, etc. Discussion of proposed policy/personal views, however distasteful or blatantly racist is not traditionally considered hate speech, though.

                                    It has to be conceded, though, that "hate speech" is a very vague, open-ended term that's rife for abuse. It really should be replaced with something more clear-cut. I am not okay with people willfully misinterpreting the meaning to silence anyone's freedom of speech. It's always been one of my most–perhaps only--strongly-held beliefs that people in the US have the right to express the most grotesque, offensive, disgusting ideas and personal convictions imaginable. The only time it breaks the law is when it goes from expressing beliefs to encouraging/inciting direct actions of violence or other egregious illegal activity such as rape.

                                    What scares a lot of us is there's no doubt Trump and his white supremacist allies are definitely flirting with the line of hate speech.  Is it free speech or is it hate speech?  I agree that sometimes the claim of "hate speech" can be abused, and there's a level of vagueness that needs to be addressed (with any definition of anything actually).  But it's scary that it's even come up as a serious issue.  A President and his administration shouldn't be anywhere CLOSE to being responsible for ANYTHING resembling hate speech these days.  The fact that he led a campaign as a demagogue and won is disturbing and disgusting.

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                                      @JakeHarm:

                                      It's sad what America has become, not allowing people who think differently than you to practice free speech. Resulting to violence because of your school inviting someone to speak is despicable. This happened, what, three weeks ago? I'm still angered by it.

                                      So are you just as critical about Trump and how him and his allies silenced protestors, has threatened various people who disagree with him, etc.?  Of are you being hypocritical and selective with how you practice that particular logic?

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                                        I agree with the limits the Supreme Court put on Free Speech.  This includes allowing homophobes to spew their crap as long as it's within the legal limits.

                                        In the current climate, we can't have an open and honest discussion.  Any disagreement with the approved thinking causes riots and looting by the left.  "Hands up, Don't shoot" is a proven lie, yet it's still being used.  Feelings mean more than facts and reality.

                                        "Nobody intelligent" describes the left since they have been using that argument for a very long time.  We were told to vote for Obama because he's black.  We were told to vote for Hillary's vagina.  We were supposed to ignore anything bad about them and just focus on their physical qualifier.

                                        You aren't convincing me to your side by claiming that I'm being "emotional" when it comes to the way I view the left.  I mean, it clearly can't have anything to do with the way the left has acted for the last 15 or so years, can it.

                                        My comment isn't specific to the UK.  It's specific to feminism and SJWs in general.  They are liars and hypocrites.  They don't care about things that favor them, they only care about things that they deem "good" for them.

                                        Yahoo and HuffPost purged male employees in the guise of gender equality.  As a black friend pointed out, they still (when both bragged about their deeds) don't care about racial equality since between the 2 there was only 1 hispanic woman and the rest were all white women.

                                        The thing I noticed is that A LOT of lefties claim to not know about most things I have said about the left, despite the evidence being readily available on the internet.    It shows the problem with lefties, in that they live in an echo chamber or are willfully blind to the bad things their side is doing.  As an example, there are plenty of videos of BLM protests where they chant about killing cops on YouTube but lefties won't watch them because it's YouTube.  The problem is, the mass media won't cover it because it shows them in a bad light.

                                        In England, over 1,400 white teen girls were raped by a group of men mostly from Pakistan, but the government, police and media purposely turned a blind eye to it so they wouldn't seem racist.  This went on for over a decade.  The families of the white girls were threatened by the police and government to keep quiet and the media ignored them.    Several politicians had their careers ruined because they were critical of this.  Jack Straw got in trouble simply for quoting one of the rapists who said that they view white girls as easy trash.

                                        Criticizing feminism means I get called a woman hater.    No one cares that I'm an egalitarian who supports true equality for all.  Using FBI crime stats to debunk feminist lies means I'm a rapist and rape supporter, amongst countless other nasty names.

                                        On another site, the topic of bestiality came up and because I was against it, I got labeled a child molester.  I wasn't labeled a child molester because of anything I did or said, but because they wanted to shut me up.  This was from a bunch of liberals who said I should be accepting of other people's views and sexual preferences.  Many of these assholes were gay.

                                        Over several threads I have listed a large number of reasons why I am sick of the left, but clearly I'm only being emotional.  ::)

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                                          @YoungGun:

                                          The fact that he led a campaign as a demagogue and won is disturbing and disgusting.

                                          Indeed is disturbing and disgusting, but it also shows how the Left failed to provide for American Society as a whole.

                                          The Left caters to certain minority groups, leaving others out.  It is funny how, after Trump won, the memes and mockery from the so called liberals towards those they deem as 'white trash' peaked.  My favorites are those who compare a 'liberal', all purdy and educated, and a 'conservative', basically a naked and starving hillbilly.  This only shows how entitled the Left is.  I see the 'privileged' mocking the 'unprivileged' to whom they haven't even tried to help. The rich Left only 'cares' about issues that make them look good, but they are as corrupt as Conservatives.

                                          And that is when demagogues kick in, when a side of the population feels so neglected, they will turn around 180º and vote for those who promise them anything better.

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                                            I agree with the limits the Supreme Court put on Free Speech.   This includes allowing homophobes to spew their crap as long as it's within the legal limits.

                                            As do I.  However, allowing hate speech to flourish creates an environment of oppression which is the ENTIRE POINT of allowing free speech.

                                            So on that level, I'm for free speech except when it comes to hate speech.  Hate speech can be just as dangerous, repressive, and harmful as censorship…if not worse.  When the line between free speech and hate speech is blurry, then I think we should err on the side of free speech, but definitely keep a watchful eye on the hate speech and certainly shouldn't be so inviting of it.  I agree with you mostly except on that last part.  I feel you are allowing too much enabling of hateful propaganda which is the same kind of complacency that created the atmosphere that allowed anti-semitism to flourish in Nazi Germany.  I'm all for your vigilance for free speech, but I would prefer you showed that same level of protective instinct for already marginalized and vulnerable individuals like us gays.

                                            In the current climate, we can't have an open and honest discussion.

                                            So you've given up?

                                            "Nobody intelligent" describes the left since they have been using that argument for a very long time.   We were told to vote for Obama because he's black.   We were told to vote for Hillary's vagina.  We were supposed to ignore anything bad about them and just focus on their physical qualifier.

                                            It's fascinating how preoccupied you are by the opinions of a narrow type of Democrat and completely reactionary and emotional when that was what you just claimed the left was.  But anyways, I dunno why you'd even care since…you're from the UK.  You're acting like you had a vote in this whole thing.  😄

                                            You aren't convincing me to your side by claiming that I'm being "emotional" when it comes to the way I view the left.

                                            I'm not here to convince you.  You've already made up your mind and you stated very clearly that you've basically given up on any kind of dialogue.  I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and trying to see if I was missing something in terms of your point of view.  But apparently you are a member of the perverted right.

                                            You've demonstrated an inability to make rational points on actual policies and the majority of your points have to do with reacting to the arguments, actions, "orders", etc. from the perverted left which just shows that the ultimate driving force behind your political bias is mostly due to emotion.  No amount of logic will ever get through to such an individual, so yes now I know where you stand.

                                            I was bringing it up to your attention just in case you're the type of person who can take critical feedback constructively.  But I'd imagine you're the type of person to get defensive, double down on your current position, and then find more fault with others.  It is what it is.

                                            I mean, it clearly can't have anything to do with the way the left has acted for the last 15 or so years, can it.

                                            Actually, I think that's mostly what's driving your decision making.  It has everything to do with this deep-seated emotional grudge against the perverted or extreme political left as opposed to the more moderate, balanced, and logical aspects of politics.   So we actually don't disagree on that part.  I personally don't think you should be basing the welfare of a country (and in many ways the world) on your personal grudge and hatred for some annoying people on 1 side of the political spectrum, but like….if you want to cut off the nose to spite the face...I can't really reason with that kind of self-sabotaging mentality.

                                            My comment isn't specific to the UK.  It's specific to feminism and SJWs in general.   They are liars and hypocrites.  They don't care about things that favor them, they only care about things that they deem "good" for them.

                                            We're all liars and hypocrites technically.  But I do think there are levels of lying and hypocrisy.  Don't we want a world where people at least try to be less hypocritical?  Just because somebody can't be 100% consistently good doesn't mean they're on the same level as somebody who doesn't even TRY to be virtuous.  At the end of the day, the original purpose of feminism and SJWs is more equality of opportunity and justice, so why would you be against that?

                                            Yahoo and HuffPost purged male employees in the guise of gender equality.   As a black friend pointed out, they still (when both bragged about their deeds) don't care about racial equality since between the 2 there was only 1 hispanic woman and the rest were all white women.

                                            If that's true, then shouldn't you be mad at Yahoo and HuffPost rather than ALL feminists and SJWs?  Isn't the logical thing to hold individuals accountable not ENTIRE groups?!  2 wrongs don't make a right and it creates way more problems in the world that then have to be cleaned up

                                            The thing I noticed is that A LOT of lefties claim to not know about most things I have said about the left, despite the evidence being readily available on the internet.

                                            Well in fairness, we're all ignorant in certain subjects.  We can't know every thing happening everywhere all the time.  Naturally, those on the left will be more ignorant about issues they care less about (Conservative/right-wing stuff), and vice versa.  It's pretty clear from the way you talk you really don't know or care about the kind of racism, sexism, etc. that occurs on a day to day basis in the US and the world.  Do you know about white flight?  Do you know about how the police were used as puppets by US intelligence agencies back in the day to massacre members of the Black Panther party?  Do you care that the Bush administration lied about weapons of mass destruction and got the US in a bullshit war with Iraq, and that the mainstream media (which if you listen to perverted right propaganda is supposedly a part of the "left") completely went along with that false narrative?  We all have blind spots dude.  That's why we need dialogue and balance.  Also, even when info is on the internet, we all need to be vetting the info, because false and biased news is everywhere.  At the end of the day, both sides are guilty of confirmation bias, so don't delude yourself that the right isn't just as guilty or more of the same things you're bitching about the left.  I used to be Republican, but I actually found the right to be way more insane and crazy that I've moved much more to the left over time.

                                            It shows the problem with lefties, in that they live in an echo chamber or are willfully blind to the bad things their side is doing.

                                            Which is why I want EVERYBODY to be more open and grounded and less reactive and emotional like it's been.

                                            As an example, there are plenty of videos of BLM protests where they chant about killing cops on YouTube but lefties won't watch them because it's YouTube.   The problem is, the mass media won't cover it because it shows them in a bad light.

                                            I don't like it either.  To me that's a complete over-reaction and counter-prejudice to a legitimate problem.  But the problems on the left still don't justify the problems on the right.  I feel we should be solving ALL the problems, and it's hard to be confront them all when everybody is being annoying biased propagandist shitbags lol.

                                            Criticizing feminism means I get called a woman hater.    No one cares that I'm an egalitarian who supports true equality for all.

                                            Technically, "true" feminism is about true equality for all and being egalitarian.  So maybe that's why when you criticize it, people assume you're a woman hater.  A lot of people who don't really know what feminism is think it's about female power or something more extreme than what it actually is.  In fairness, I understand why that happens as extreme members of any movement tend to distort the image or brand of that movement to outsiders.  But yeah, it just seems like everybody is reacting extremely to the most extreme parts of various groups and movements and it's just leading to more division and civil warfare which helps none of us.

                                            Using FBI crime stats to debunk feminist lies means I'm a rapist and rape supporter, amongst countless other nasty names.

                                            Again, I wouldn't claim those are "feminist" lies.  I'd blame the specific individuals lying–not an ENTIRE group of people (who are definitely NOT ALL the same)!  😮

                                            On another site, the topic of bestiality came up and because I was against it, I got labeled a child molester.  I wasn't labeled a child molester because of anything I did or said, but because they wanted to shut me up.  This was from a bunch of liberals who said I should be accepting of other people's views and sexual preferences.   Many of these assholes were gay.

                                            Have you never been disliked before or dealt with assholes?  It sucks to deal with jerks but dude…we all deal with that (especially on the internet).  Just ignore the bad apples and don't let it fill you up with hate and lead you down a negative path.

                                            Over several threads I have listed a large number of reasons why I am sick of the left, but clearly I'm only being emotional.  ::)

                                            I didn't say you were wrong (I actually believe that you have been abused by perverted Left jerks).  But you should be able to admit…you're disgust for your left abusers has made you pretty emotional.  😉

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