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    Most Americans Disagree With Church Teaching On Homosexuality, Abortion

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    • MrMazdaM Offline
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      I can't say that I disagree with abortion in every case, since there are some cases where it is necessary (such as trying to carry to term will kill the mother). That being said, I do agree with notquiteme in that there are other alternatives to killing an unborn child if your reasoning isn't "valid" so to speak. In such cases as not being able to afford the upkeep of a child, or cases where it was an accident such as a condom break that neither parent was planning on, there are options such as adoption that would be more humane in the end.

      At least with adoption as an alternative, rather than murder an unborn child, you can still give them the option of having a loving family that can take care of them, and provide for them the things they need to have the life that a child deserves. This is just one such alternative that I can think of that in many cases would be a more humane thing to do, rather than kill an unborn child.

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      • raphjdR Online
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        Who is going to pay the medical bills and the maternity leave to bring the child to full term?

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        • MrMazdaM Offline
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          I don't know about in other countries, but here in Canada, the adopting parents are the ones who pay such bills in the process of agreeing to adopt the unborn child. As for the maternity leave, some of that here in Canada there are laws to regulate so that the mother doesn't get totally screwed in the process.

          On that topic, it would be interesting to know the way that such things work in other countries.

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          • raphjdR Online
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            The US and UK allow for contractual adoptions (ie surrogates, etc), which would allow for the adopting parents to pay.  However, if you go through the state's adoption process, then that's not an option.

            Besides forcing a rape victim to carry the baby (extremely cruel), why should a business have to pay maternity leave so the woman can be forced to give birth to the rape baby?

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            • MrMazdaM Offline
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              That remains at the choice of the mother. I'm not saying that in a case of rape it's "wrong" to get an abortion, because that steps into a whole new world of things to consider. Should the mother choose to carry through, it is treated the same as having had the baby through consensual means.

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              • raphjdR Online
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                As it is now, the system works the same if the mother wants to put the baby up for adoption or keep it.

                Anyway, bringing a baby to full term is a lot more expensive than an abortion, so based on sheer economics, the choice is clear.  Not to mention that a child born into poverty will die in poverty. Class mobility is extremely rare.

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                • N Offline
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                  I wouldn't throw economics into it.  It turns people into statistics.

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                  • raphjdR Online
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                    To deny the economics of the situation is to deny reality.

                    We don't live in a moneyless utopia.

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                    • N Offline
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                      so is a baby a choice?

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                      • raphjdR Online
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                        YES, having a baby is a choice.

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                          okay.  i just think that abortion is only allowed under highly specific extenuating circumstances

                          but everyone's entitled to their opinion

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