Italian professor claims Rome fell due to rise of homosexuality

pacifico

Well, as a roman guy I really don't believe to all of those things written by that author.

But, it's really sad, living in Rome, and feeling all that hate and anger from heterosexual people and from the Vatican only and just because I am and we are all gay.

I hope this year europen gay pride in Rome will solve matters but deep in my heart I guess it's only a mere illusion.

Especially after seeing that in Italy marriage or gay rights are still a broken dream $:-\$

notquiteme

i hate right-wingers are soooo… holier-than-thou.

MrMazda

Again… I don't know about in all countries, but at least in any area that calls themselves a "civilized" society, what ever happened to "separation of church and state"?

knoghoti

How come I keep imagining the professor is the pope's boytoy? Where is that confessional with the glory hole, and hot priest again?

underlvr

@MrMazda:

Again… I don't know about in all countries, but at least in any area that calls themselves a "civilized" society, what ever happened to "separation of church and state"?

Ummm… that's a U.S. concept only. You live in Canada, right? Isn't your head of state the head of a major religion? She is referred to as "Defender of the Faith." Most, if not all, European countries have a state religion. In northern Europe, it's Lutheran, southern Europe is Catholic, and the British Commonwealth worldwide is Anglican.

pacifico

Anyway, in the middle of Rome I have Vatican State with Pope, Ratzinger.

He says that he represents Vatican's only but it's otherwise: they only give orders to italian government and they obey, with no excuses.

If gay parties in Rome and Italy don't live well it's because of the Pope's rules on us unfortunately $:-\$

notquiteme

Here in the Philippines the separation of church and state isn't all that clear. There is a big pressure on the state to keep certain things as status quo.

We've even had two heads of non-catholic religious groups run for president. Course, they're a different church.

MrMazda

Therein lies the problem… In a lot of cases, there is no such thing as "separation of church and state"

avalonmoore

REALLY NOW REALLY

martini20

@underlvr:

Ummm… that's a U.S. concept only. You live in Canada, right? Isn't your head of state the head of a major religion? She is referred to as "Defender of the Faith." Most, if not all, European countries have a state religion. In northern Europe, it's Lutheran, southern Europe is Catholic, and the British Commonwealth worldwide is Anglican.

There's a vast difference between a country having a monarch who's title encompasses "Defender of the Faith" but in a largely secular society and who's role is mainly ceremonial, and a country where a political leader is openly religious, is expected to be openly religious by a large percentage of it's citizens and where their religion shapes decision making.

martini20

I'm not aware of any European leaders being overtly religious as say, the US President who has to be seen to a believer. Didn't Nick Clegg say he was an atheist during the election campaign (although he did say a number of things that got conveniently shelved). Famously Tony Blair waitied till he was out of office before converting to Catholicism. He said in his book …

"'I recall giving an address to the country at a time of crisis. I wanted to end my words with "God bless the British people".
'This caused complete consternation. Emergency meetings were convened. The system was aghast. Finally, a senior civil servant said, with utter disdain: "Really, Prime Minister, this is not America you know".'

notquiteme

I seriously doubt the sincerity and open-mindedness of people who will reject a blessing from any person, no matter in which god's name.

martini20

"Tony Blair couldn't be Prime Minister and be catholic, because it's against UK law"

What law is this?