be careful: covid boosters likely kill more people than covid

Lodi

you're really going all out with these kinds of topics here, aren't you? I really do prefer facts and science; but as long as it's safe for us others, I don't mind people finding solace in these alternatives.

raphjd

@Lodi

Maybe you should look into it yourself.

The 2 UK's version of Fauci were forced to admit they "fudged" the numbers to force the first 3 lockdowns.

Scotland's version of Fauci frequently violated the rules she recommended.

The UK's then Health Minister, Matt Hancock, was having an affair during the lockdowns and made it clear that he lied to the people of the UK to "scare them into compliance". This was proven via WhatsApp leaks.

This same kind of thing went on throughout the western world.

Mr "I am the Science" Fauci lied about the science and funding Gain of Function research at Wuhan.

The then head of the CDC claimed that she owned the science.

The FDA was forced to admit in court that they never actually denied doctors the right to treat Covid as they saw fit, despite making it sound like they did.

Fauci and many others have been caught in a lot of lies about Covid and the "science". But you go ahead and believe them since they have been proven to be so honest.

Fauci has a track record of lying, even prior to Covid. Look up the AZT Scandal where his lies sent millions to an early grave.

Lodi

@raphjd I'm sorry, but a 1-minute google check already gave me the result that that is not true:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-aids-hiv-fauci-covid-pandemic-833586389602

I'm sure there's stuff to find to support (some) the things in this thread and there will always be a few experts saying otherwise, but I really prefer mainstream facts and mainstream scientific research. If it's good enough vast majority of expects and scientists, it's good enough for me.

blablarg18

@Lodi If you can find "solace" in a product that 1) does not work as advertised, while 2) giving too many younger people heart damage...... Best of luck to you.

And if you can dismiss UK NHS data as "not mainstream" or "not from scientists"....... Best of luck to you.

And if you fall for Straw Man fallacies - misstate argument to "disprove" it...... Best of luck to you.

(The claim is not that AZT killed more gays than HIV, only that AZT was a weak & toxic drug that killed gays - while Fauci profited. An article showing the obvious, that HIV killed more gays in total, is nothing. AP "checked" a claim nobody made.)

Meanwhile, yes this thread & forum section are for HEALTH INFORMATION.

MrMazda

@Lodi It's better to risk appearing a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

raphjd

@Lodi

You clearly forgot your history.

A scientist was convicted of saying the sun was the center of the solar system. The mainstream scientists sid the earth was the center of the solar system. You might have heard of him, his name was Galileo.

I never said that AZT killed more people than AIDS. AZT was a drug of last resort, but was pushed as a drug of first resort by Fauci. Even now it's to be used after all other drugs have failed.

BTW, you do know that Mark Zuckerberg said in 2 court cases that the fact checkers he uses only spout OPINIONS, not FACTS. Your "source" is one of those 125+ opinion spewers.

blablarg18

@raphjd @Lodi

blablarg18

New study. Scientists went back to original "placebo-controlled, phase III randomized clinical trials of Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in adults."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/

In ORIGINAL trials, "serious adverse events" - heart damage, stroke, diarrhea needing hospitalization, etc. - did indeed happen in vaxx group, at a rate roughly 1 in 800 greater than baseline (unvaxx group).

Remember: vaxx group supposedly got wonderful 95% protection from covid, right? Later it declined to nothing but it looked strong at first, right?

So, unvaxx group had more covid disease, right?

So, EVEN THOUGH unvaxx group got covid (in the studies), they still had LESS overall risk of "serious adverse events". Whoa.

Data was all there. Companies, media & national governments papered over vaxx risks by some combo of

not looking (not doing the right calculations)
not reporting (staying silent about risks)
using inaccurate words (ie. lying words) like "similar" and "balanced", to describe vaxx group's higher risks

@Lodi this comes from scientists

Here is Dr John Campbell interviewing the lead scientist:

Youtube Video

Of course, original studies showed the vaxx group getting less lung damage & pneumonia-like deaths - because less covid. BUT.....

In today's world, 2023, covid has become mild - plus everyone has some pre-existing immunity - plus younger people never were much at risk.

PLUS the vaxx don't even stop covid - vaxxers get covid anyway - like Fauci & Biden.

So the vaxx give you an injury risk for..... what now? For what benefit?

Food for thought.

blablarg18

New vaxxes:

not tested on humans, no efficacy data
if like earlier boosters, will push viral evolution / new variants
if like earlier boosters, may have a SLIGHT 3-month protection for old outdated variants
don't reduce bad outcomes much, if at all
injure at least 1 in 800, except some data says higher like 1 in 500 or even 1 in 50 people

Good summary: https://nypost.com/2023/09/14/the-real-data-behind-the-new-covid-vaccines-the-white-house-is-pushing/

USA FDA, CDC, Biden admin & media make claims for the vaxx that Pfizer & Moderna are legally forbidden to make - for lack of truth, evidence etc.

Think about that. USA FDA, CDC, Biden admin & media, market for Pfizer & Moderna - making the dubious-to-false claims that Pfizer & Moderna Marketing Departments legally can't make. Wtf?

manrmen 0

@Lodi said in be careful: covid boosters likely kill more people than covid:

you're really going all out with these kinds of topics here, aren't you? I really do prefer facts and science; but as long as it's safe for us others, I don't mind people finding solace in these alternatives.

As a nurse, I know that vaccines are useful and important. But they have to be well studied and researched.
That said I was pressured to have the pfizer vaccine.
Biggest mistake in my life.

It initially ruined my lower extremities when I developed a weird rash that left pockmarks.

Then I got chest pains exactly 2 weeks after each dosages. Tests showed that I now have mild aorta root dilation. This predisposes me to aortic aneurysm.

And then my retinas got ruined. I suddenly developed palinopsia. The first time case ever in my family. I had retina aneurysms, a large retina edema and more.

All side effects of the covid vaccine.

Ocular Manifestations after Receiving COVID-19 Vaccine: A Systematic Review
Yu-Kuei Lee1 and Yi-Hsun Huang1,*
Abu Salim Mustafa, Academic Editor and Moriya Tsuji, Academic Editor

Risk assessment of retinal vascular occlusion after COVID-19 vaccination
Jing-Xing Li, Yu-Hsun Wang, Henry Bair, Shu-Bai Hsu, Connie Chen, James Cheng-Chung Wei & Chun-Ju Lin

I am angry as hell. Again, vaccines are not bad. But a rushed vaccine is deadly.

blablarg18

Annual update. Story has barely changed.

new boosters are out
they focus on JN.1 variant, already outdated / fading
Again, new boosters were not tested on humans
Again, they don't stop covid. (Fauci is on his 3rd covid infection after his 4th booster, https://community.gaytor.rent/topic/65769/fauci-on-3rd-covid-infection-after-6-shots-4-boosters/ )
Science continues to give people roughly 1 in 800 chance of taking serious harm, from these badly-done mRNA covid vaxxes
1 in 800 might sound low to you, but it is high. (125x what should be tolerated....Real vaccines are historically pulled from the market, if they harm only 1 in 100,000)
Most people continue to have enough natural immunity, that they won't have problems if they do get covid
so, most people won't need to boost

blablarg18

Poland - "Changing Views toward mRNA based Covid Vaccines in the Scientific Literature: 2020 - 2024"

http://www.paom.pl/Changing-Views-toward-mRNA-based-Covid-Vaccines-in-the-Scientific-Literature-2020,189961,0,2.html

tldr; more scientists start to admit, covid vaxx are shit products that kill some unlucky people

From 2020 to 2024, the literature has gone from claiming there are absolutely no SAEs [Serious Adverse Events] from mRNA based vaccines (2020/2021) to an acknowledgment of a significant number of various SAEs (2023/2024); including but not limited to neurological complications, myocarditis, pericarditis and thrombosis.

Conclusions:
The early scientific literature was biased, so as not to report SAEs, due to social and political concerns and overwhelming corporate greed. Only in the last year have scientists been able to publish articles that acknowledge a high number of SAEs linked to mRNA based vaccines. This should act as a warning that science should be completely objective when evaluating health risks, but can often be influenced by social and economic considerations.

blablarg18

Japan - vaxx RAISE your covid odds. (negative efficacy)

https://www.cureus.com/articles/313843-behavioral-and-health-outcomes-of-mrna-covid-19-vaccination-a-case-control-study-in-japanese-small-and-medium-sized-enterprises#!/

The odds of contracting COVID-19 increased with the number of vaccine doses: one to two doses (OR: 1.63, 95% CI: 1.08-2.46, p = 0.020), three to four doses (OR: 2.04, 95% CI: 1.35-3.08, p = 0.001), and five to seven doses (OR: 2.21, 95% CI: 1.07-4.56, p = 0.033).

Past studies agree. This is latest study (Dec 2024).

But - how could this be?

This paradoxical finding may be influenced by various factors, including immune response mechanisms, such as antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) or original antigenic sin [OAS]...

I have mentioned those effects before, most recently in:

https://community.gaytor.rent/topic/66709/pediatric-rsv-vaccine-trial-enrollment-on-hold/

Study also looked at how your behavior affects your covid odds.

Preventive behaviors assessed included regular gargling, mask-wearing, bathing frequency, avoiding crowded places, room ventilation, eating habits, sleep patterns, exercise habits, and maintaining humidity in living spaces.

Behavioral analysis indicated that a reduced frequency of bathing and exercising was significantly associated with higher COVID-19 infection rates (p < 0.05).

In other words, according to them, masks don't do shit.

But exercise & bathing, ok.

blablarg18

USA "CDC stops recommending COVID-19 shots for all, leaves decision to patients"

https://apnews.com/article/cdc-vaccines-covid19-shots-b0183766e56b5d0e948904172193c891

tl;dr

Nothing taken away
Government just decided to -not- do illegal marketing for Big Pharma corporations

But "Major medical societies" still take Big Pharma cas$$$h.

Major medical societies continue to recommend shots for younger children, pregnant women and others at higher risk of severe illness. They say the Trump administration’s discussion of risk overemphasizes rare side effects and doesn’t account for the dangers of coronavirus infection itself.

Horrible. First, covid vaxx are tied to high miscarriage rates. (https://community.gaytor.rent/topic/63268/covid-vaxx-mess-with-women-s-cycles/4)

So much for pregnant women. Risk to fetus.

Second, kids have nearly (very rare exceptions) zero risk from covid disease. -Which covid vaxx don't stop anyway-. So, actually no benefit.

U can't say "But they don't account for dangers of coronavirus infection!" when, on average, poor covid vaxx products do as much "good" as bloodletting or leeches.

Third, covid vaxx may give kids heart problems. Risk for no benefit.