Gay Florida student says school stopping him from running for senior class president
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@raphjd said in Gay Florida student says school stopping him from running for senior class president:
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Keep snortching Pelosi's gin soked pussy farts.
A 1-liner just calling me a name (not even a new one)!
Victory!
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Why should I bother responding to your liberal bullshit?
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@raphjd The Don't Say Gay bill was directed at teachers and now they are using it to go after teenagers. That is not okay. And if you think that the GOP will stop now, then you are mistaking. They will go after ALL gay rights. And that can mean that this site will become illegal. Why are you so eager to go after other peole and why are you so eager to shot your own foot. I really don't understand your motives.
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SCOTUS has long held that students don't have the same rights as others. Only the military has less rights.
Ironically, school boards have parents arrested for reading from the very books the school boards allow students to read.
Let's not forget that at least 1 elementary school had that graphic teen sex book in its library.
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@raphjd so the USA is not democracy, is that what you say?
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That is what the laws of the US and SCOTUS say.
Also, NO, the US is not a democracy. The US is a representative republic.
It seems, that you believe that people can break any rules they want, as long as you agree with them.
Even if this student supported the Florida law and protested in favor, I would still say he has to pay the price for violating the rules and knew it beforehand.
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@raphjd said in Gay Florida student says school stopping him from running for senior class president:
That is what the laws of the US and SCOTUS say.
Also, NO, the US is not a democracy. The US is a representative republic.
It seems, that you believe that people can break any rules they want, as long as you agree with them.
Even if this student supported the Florida law and protested in favor, I would still say he has to pay the price for violating the rules and knew it beforehand.
1 - @serenity is correct: the religious-right will not stop with "don't say gay" - and they have an insidious new "weapon" they're using: allowing individuals to sue governments over perceived "morals" abuses. Further, the challenge to Roe v Wade is also a harbinger to a sure-to-come challenge to the Obergefell v. Hodges case - the one that legalized Gay Marriage using the 14th Amendment protections to do so. (The religious conservatives consider this JUST AS EGREGIOUS a "moral overstepping" as Roe v. Wade.)
2 - The assumption that outlawing gay activities in the US would make this website illegal is moot. Under US Law, this website is already illegal in many, many ways! And as that legal environment continues to change, the site owners (and staff) have made changes to our rules of behavior that are intended to help keep us "under the radar" of any enforcement... even though I highly doubt that this site is physically housed in the US, coming under attack in US Courts would be - let's just say, crushing.
3 - @raphjd's assertion that the student "broke the law" is absurd, but it follows from his common theme: people who agree with him are to be allowd the MAXIMUM freedoms to express themselves, while other, dissenting views, should be shut down. It is a FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT under the US Constitution for people to protest their Government. The Jan 6 protesters were all well-within their rights to protest... right up until they attacked and broke into the Capitol building! This student didn't break any laws - he just organized a student protest against a new law he thought was targeting he and others like him... and he wasn't wrong.
4 - the idea that all teachers are pushing a "gay agenda" on their students is hogwash and an overstatement of the problem, such as there is one, to a MASSIVE scale. YES, there are teachers who overstep their bounds, "get out of their lanes" - and they should be punished. But that doesn't mean typing the hands - and exposing everyone to frivolous litigation - is even a reasonable solution... UNLESS your goal is to enforce your own moral beliefs on all others. Sieg Heil! (And I thought the "culture wars" were over for the US after the 1980's and 1990s! Silly me!)
5 - the mere idea that you can "groom" someone into becoming gay or trans is a concept debunked in the 1950's! Ref: Kinsey & Associates). That it's being brought back up now is just "cover" for the fear and hate mongering of "people not like US" (In this case: US is code for: white, straight, christian MEN - you know, the people who built this country and that we should all be worshiping - right now!)BTW: @raphjd's "replacement" is awaiting entry into the UK right now. He is a black, African, Jew who will take his job, his house, and his lover... because they (people of color, people from poor countries, and non-Christians) are all superior to him in every way!
Or, at least that's what he's been programmed to believe!They're coming for you!
Ooga booga! (hands waving)
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Blah, blah, blah, is all our resident troll says
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@raphjd said in Gay Florida student says school stopping him from running for senior class president:
Blah, blah, blah, is all our resident troll says
You sad, pathetic White Supremacist... you think I wrote that for you?
Narcissistic much? ROFL
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I do love useless trolls.
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Tinker v. Des Moines - Students do not “shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate.”
More specifically:
In our system, state-operated schools may not be enclaves of totalitarianism. School officials do not possess absolute authority over their students. Students… are possessed of fundamental rights which the State must respect, just as they themselves must respect their obligations to the State. In our system, students may not be regarded as closed-circuit recipients of only that which the State chooses to communicate. They may not be confined to the expression of those sentiments that are officially approved. In the absence of a specific showing of constitutionally valid reasons to regulate their speech, students are entitled to freedom of expression of their views. -
Ah, so students can do whatever they want in the guise of "free speech".
The case you refer to was about banning students from wearing black armbands to protect against the Vietnam war.
It seems you selectively quoted from the ruling.
Schools can not ban "free speech" on fear or suspicion that it might disrupt the education process. HOWEVER, they can punish for activities that actually do disrupt the learning process and school order.
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So, as an "expert", why did you not include the whole thing?
Hell, all I had to do was google the case and read the ACLU website on it, as the ACLU was the ones suing on behalf of the students.
Lets not forget that it was you who called me a liar and other names over that teen porn book being in schools, even as low as elementary schools. You never admitted you were wrong.
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@raphjd I seem to recall calling you a liar for posting a photoshopped photograph and refusing to acknowledge that you posted a fake photograph. Remember posting that fake photograph? Remember when you lied about it and refused to retract it?
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@raphjd said in Gay Florida student says school stopping him from running for senior class president:
So, as an "expert", why did you not include the whole thing?
So you don't understand how quoting works? Your critique of my argument is that I did not post a 20+ page SCOTUS decision; therefore, I don't understand the case.
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What you did was selectively quote the 1 part that supported your agenda, while refusing to talk about the 2nd part because if didn't suit your agenda.
That is lying by omission.
As such an expert in this case, tell me, why did you not mention the equally important 2nd part of the ruling, if you weren't being dishonest? Why did the ACLU (and many others) think the 2nd part was equally important, but you thought it was ok to ignore the 2nd part?
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Actually, I did admit I was wrong, on that single photograph. Also, you act as if I photoshopped it.
You called me an asshole and liar about that teen porn book being in Florida school libraries. Remember that?
Once I found the name of the elementary school that had it in their library, you ran away from the thread. So, using your rules, you are the asshole and liar since you have yet to admit that teen porn book was available in school libraries from K-12.
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@raphjd said in Gay Florida student says school stopping him from running for senior class president:
You called me an asshole and liar about that teen porn book being in Florida school libraries. Remember that?
Once I found the name of the elementary school that had it in their library, you ran away from the thread. So, using your rules, you are the asshole and liar since you have yet to admit that teen porn book was available in school libraries from K-12.I don't even remember what you're talking about, but if you link to the discussion thread, then I'll try to make a special point of going back and reading your ramblings on the subject. If you've made cogent arguments that were responsive to the arguments I made, then I'll respond there. Frankly, I don't agree with the assertion that any book which discusses sexual events as a "porn book." By that definition, the Bible in the elementary school libraries is also a porn book.
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