Russia rejects European Court of Human Rights order to recognise same-sex unions
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As I always say, he only likes Pelosi Repubs.
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@raphjd said in Russia rejects European Court of Human Rights order to recognise same-sex unions:
As I always say, he only likes Pelosi Repubs.
ROFL - when I joined the Republican Party, we were the party of the educated! We were the party that boasted support from nearly every CEO in the Fortune 500!
That remained true until the results of the 2016 election.
I won't contend that the Party hasn't changed - I only contend that it hasn't changed for the BETTER!
What's more, I won't abandon my party to people who want to peddle stupidity, fear, and baseless conspiracy theories!Interesting that former VP Richard "Dick" Cheney (a man with whom I had many disagreements while he was VP, but whom I nonetheless greatly respected) agrees with me... [source]
I don't pretend to be in the mainstream of the Republican Party anymore - but I won't concede my party to a cadre of fools and idiots! I fight for the values that made the Republican Party great once - the Party of both Lincoln & Reagan, the party of BOTH Bushes!
My prediction: this dark time will pass, or it will be the end of our current 2-party system - if not the end of our democratic-republic entirely!
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@bi4smooth said in Russia rejects European Court of Human Rights order to recognise same-sex unions:
I don't pretend to be in the mainstream of the Republican Party anymore - but I won't concede my party to a cadre of fools and idiots! I fight for the values that made the Republican Party great once - the Party of both Lincoln & Reagan, the party of BOTH Bushes!
Depending on how one defines "mainstream," it's possible that neither of us are outside of the mainstream. There's very noisy faction (e.g., Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham) who have had both their balls and their brains removed to enable ongoing genuflection to the Dear Leader. But there are also many people who support traditional conservative values who are keeping their heads down until the madness passes. Unfortunately, America is losing eminences grises of Republican sanity with the passing of Robert Dole, John McCain, George H.W. Bush, etc.
I think a key thing to watch in the Republican party (or any party, for that matter) is whether it defines itself by things it is for, as opposed to things that it is against. In economic matters (a traditional strong point of the Republican party), it might not make a lot of difference whether one is for a balanced budget or against deficit spending. But there's huge gulf between being for people being able to openly celebrate Christian holidays, and against allowing Muslims, Jews, or Hindus to celebrate theirs.
My prediction: this dark time will pass, or it will be the end of our current 2-party system - if not the end of our democratic-republic entirely!
I would like to agree with your prediction, but I'm probably less optimistic. Many historians argue that the framers of the US Constitution did not want a partisan system--they thought that the checks and balances inherent in a three-branch structure would suffice to keep things on an even keel. Until the 12th Amendment in 1804, the second-place finisher in the Electoral College would become Vice President. (Can you imagine Hillary Clinton as veep under [!] Donald Trump, or Trump as veep under Biden?) In practice, though, the American government needs a two-party system, but both parties need to have a healthy diversity within them, rather being driven by an orthodoxy creed like one has in Russia or North Korea. Most legislators in the Republican party, as well as members of the "progressive caucus" within the Democratic party, remind me of mindless robots such as one finds in many old Star Trek episodes. Americans deserve better.
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So you joined the Republican party because you thought they were the elitists' you think you are. Now that they are becoming the party of the "great unwashed" so you are taking on the mission of purging the "deplorables" from your Grand Old Party.
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@geobear40 said in Russia rejects European Court of Human Rights order to recognise same-sex unions:
So you joined the Republican party because you thought they were the elitists' you think you are. Now that they are becoming the party of the "great unwashed" so you are taking on the mission of purging the "deplorables" from your Grand Old Party.
You silly TWIT I joined the Republican Party in 1980 because I believed in the leadership of Ronald Reagan! I have never left, though I must admit to being tempted to do so as a result of the Trump "sore loser" and other aftermaths of the 2020 election!
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You just proved my point. You don't like Trump because he expanded the GOP to be more inclusive and welcoming to the working class. I was around in the 80's so when the Reagan Democrats voted republican you cheered but after the election you were happy they stayed Democrats. You hate Trump because he brought in those Reagan Democrats and a great majority of them stayed in the GOP and you are pissed off.
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@geobear40 said in Russia rejects European Court of Human Rights order to recognise same-sex unions:
You just proved my point. You don't like Trump because he expanded the GOP to be more inclusive and welcoming to the working class. I was around in the 80's so when the Reagan Democrats voted republican you cheered but after the election you were happy they stayed Democrats. You hate Trump because he brought in those Reagan Democrats and a great majority of them stayed in the GOP and you are pissed off.
I jeer Trump - not because of his views, but because of his tactics. He brought (brings) shame and discredit to our Party and to the Country, with his pedantic and self-aggrandizing outright lies, fear-mongering, and race-baiting. His policies (many of which I favor) will hopefully outlive his personality.
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The conversation steered far off the original topic but I wanted to add some observation on how the international treaty works.
Many countries ratified treaty "with reservation(s)", that is the ratifying body, such as US Senate, doesn't agree to everything in the treaty and/or rejects particular protocol. So ratified State party to the treaty doesn't mean that they consent to the jurisdiction or agreed to be bound by the treaty in every respect. Some countries have constitutions that mandate domestic laws to preempt international laws.
Reservations to the treaty are rarely tested in court so the effect of the reservations is unclear, domestic courts may use reservations as a basis to reject the implementation of the treaty, while some court has held that the language of the treaty provides no basis for reservation of the treaty itself but allow each country to reject specific optional protocols.
Back in the U.S., it is not accurate to say that the US has agreed to every treaty it ratified (even without reservation). While the US constitution has granted a sole power to ratify the treaty to the Senate, Supreme Court has held since 1829 in Foster v. Neilson that even ratified treaty is treated as "laws of the land", non self-executing treaty is unenforceable without an implementing statute, that is enacted by both houses of Congress and signed by the president. In other words, the US is free to pick and choose to enforce some provisions of the treaty and ignore others if it so wishes, and have done in many instances. At this point I have to agree with @bi4smooth .
So if the US as the model form of governance can freely ignore its obligation, why not Russia?
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@frigens
Thank you for your clarity. -
It's disappointing, but not surprising.
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Not that I agree with the Russian failure to recognize (or legalize) same-sex unions, but they do have a point they are not members of the EU, and are not subject to their courts!
The European Court of Human Rights and the EU are two very different organisations, even when they have the word European in it. In the US many different American organisations have the word American in it without they are believed to be only one organisation.
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