Whiplash - CNN & CDC clash on "validity" of cloth masks
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As is St Fauci, the WHO, and countless others.
In the UK, the 2 doctors that are the version of Fauci admitted lying about the numbers to force lockdowns. They set the criteria, then lied so the criteria was met.
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@geobear40 said in Whiplash - CNN & CDC clash on "validity" of cloth masks:
@bi4smooth
You forgot to mention that the CDC like CNN is a politically motivated organization and they both favor the Liberal point of view. Both pick and choice science facts that follow their political narrative.I disagree that the CDC is generally, innately, politically motivated.... indeed, until Trump tried to interfere with CDC published policies/findings in 2020, there were virtually NO claims of political agendas within that agency... NONE!
To be fair, Trump wasn't the first to apply politics to the CDC - prior congresses had prohibited, for example, the CDC to investigate tobacco, or guns, as a result of political lobbying... but those legislative "blocks" were far more transparent than Trump's lobbying within the CDC (through official WH channels) to "change the science" (in particular, about COVID)
That doesn't mean Biden hasn't followed Trump's lead and attempted to have an influence on them, either: Trump "broke the ice", and now that it's broken, it'll take a VERY LONG TIME for the CDC to truly regain its full credibility... and I agree that it's overall COVID-19 credibility is already damaged (but by the actions of the RIGHT, not of the LEFT).
BUT, that's why I suggested that the published (peer-reviewed) results from multiple countries health agencies be taken into accord... if most all of them agree (as they do about masks... at least until recently), then the science isn't likely tainted.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Not tainted does NOT mean unchanging! Our scientific understandings necessarily change over time, as we learn and discover more and new things!
Honestly, though - if you come back and claim that there is a world-wide conspiracy of liberals that control all of their health agencies, I will lose all faith that you can legitimately interpret scientific fact.
Not that my faith in you should be of any consequence to you, but.... just sayin'...
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@bi4smooth
Have you read any of the papers that Dr. Atlas has explained the data from all over the world that directly contradict what Fauci and the CDC are claiming that they know what studies are true and which ones are outliers. How about you read the book "The Real Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health". Check out some of the 2000 footnotes which backup his premises.It never hurts to expand your knowledge and see that what you are being spoon feed by the MSM and the CDC is not the only Science. Science is hypothesize, test write a paper and have your peers review and challenge the results. None of Fauci and the CDC edicts are allowed to be peer reviewed or challenged in anyway.
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@geobear40 said in Whiplash - CNN & CDC clash on "validity" of cloth masks:
@bi4smooth
Have you read any of the papers that Dr. Atlas has explained the data from all over the world that directly contradict what Fauci and the CDC are claiming that they know what studies are true and which ones are outliers. How about you read the book "The Real Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health". Check out some of the 2000 footnotes which backup his premises.It never hurts to expand your knowledge and see that what you are being spoon feed by the MSM and the CDC is not the only Science. Science is hypothesize, test write a paper and have your peers review and challenge the results. None of Fauci and the CDC edicts are allowed to be peer reviewed or challenged in anyway.
Neither Dr. Fauci nor Bill Gates speak for, or are voices of the CDC.
Yours is a common misconception...
- Dr Fauci is (since 1984) the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (part of the NIH, not the CDC) and (since the post was established in 2019) the Chief Medical Advisor to the President.
- Dr. Fauci does not speak for, nor does he represent, nor is he employed by the CDC. He works for (but is not the head of) the NIH.
- To use an analogy, to claim that Dr Fauci speaks for the CDC is equivalent to claiming that Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North spoke for the US Army during Iran-Contra in the 1980's... to wit: neither Dr. Fauci nor Lt. Col. North are the heads of their agencies, and neither are actually affiliated with the agency to which you are attributing their authority.
I have not attributed the CDC's current mask policy (in favor of using even cloth masks to slow the spread of COVID-19) to Dr. Fauci... because the documents and guidelines come from the CDC, not the NIH.
For the record:
- The current head of the US CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) is headed by Dr. Rochelle Walensky
- The current (acting) head of the US NIH (National Institutes of Health) is Dr. Lawrence Tabak (a Dentist, not an MD)
- Dr. Tabak is the "boss" of Dr. Fauci, as Dr. Fauci's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases is a part of the NIH
- The US CDC and US NIH are separate and distinct agencies, 2 of the 11 separate agencies in the US Department of Health & Human Services:
Operating Divisions:
Administration for Children and Families
Administration for Community Living
Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality
Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
Food and Drug Administration
Health Resources and Services Administration
Indian Health Service
National Institutes of Health
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
So, long story short: demonize Dr Fauci all you like - he's not the CDC, and not affiliated with them in any way.
Demonize Bill Gates all you like - he's also not the CDC - just a rich guy using his considerable wealth to do things that HE THINKS will be good for humanity... you are free to disagree, but he has no more real influence on these things than Elon Musk, Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison, or the Koch brothers do! They're all just very VERY rich men, using their money they way they see fit... this is CAPITALISM - it comes with the territory! -
@bi4smooth
Read the book it may reinforce your views it may change them.Government doesn't happen in vacuum. They coordinate their messaging.
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@geobear40 said in Whiplash - CNN & CDC clash on "validity" of cloth masks:
@bi4smooth
Read the book it may reinforce your views it may change them.Government doesn't happen in vacuum. They coordinate their messaging.
I'm not suggesting that Dr Fauci is working in a vacuum, but I am saying that, as the Advisor to the President, he's often stating opinions that are his, and not necessarily those of the CDC or FDA (as I recall, Fauci was in favor of granting EUA for under 18 vaccinations long before the FDA actually granted such use... as a member of the NIH, he had no control or REAL influence on when the FDA finally granted that EUA extension!)
If you listen to Fauci's extended interviews, he's often candid about the early missteps he, Dr. Birx, the CDC, and the NIH took as COVID-19 first came on the scene. He does NOT claim to have always been right, but he does claim that he always spoke truthfully about what was known - at the time.
As a scientist myself (not in medical science), I can attest that "accepted facts" change as we learn more about things. (Remember: it was once "accepted fact" that the Sun & Planets revolved around the Earth!)... COVID-19 was (and still is, relatively speaking) NEW... which means there is a LOT of data yet to be analyzed... it would be downright stupid for us to think we've "figured this thing our" already! We know SOME about this disease, and certainly a LOT more than we knew in December, 2019! But there is a LOT we do NOT know yet... but we continue to test our assumptions, confirm (or disprove) our "accepted facts" (like the early "accepted fact" that COVID-19 was spread easily by shared contact on surfaces! That has been shown to be false: COVID-19 is now believed to be almost exclusively spread by aerosol respiration! BUT! If more facts - more data - comes to light that also disproves THAT, we'll need to rethink yet again! But, in the meantime, that's what we think of as fact, so that is what we base our plans, suggestions, and rules upon...)
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@bi4smooth said in Whiplash - CNN & CDC clash on "validity" of cloth masks:
COVID-19 was (and still is, relatively speaking) NEW... which means there is a LOT of data yet to be analyzed... it would be downright stupid for us to think we've "figured this thing our" already! We know SOME about this disease, and certainly a LOT more than we knew in December, 2019! But there is a LOT we do NOT know yet... but we continue to test our assumptions, confirm (or disprove) our "accepted facts" (like the early "accepted fact" that COVID-19 was spread easily by shared contact on surfaces! That has been shown to be false: COVID-19 is now believed to be almost exclusively spread by aerosol respiration! BUT! If more facts - more data - comes to light that also disproves THAT, we'll need to rethink yet again! But, in the meantime, that's what we think of as fact, so that is what we base our plans, suggestions, and rules upon...)
SARS-COV-2 is not new is has been around in one from or another for a very long time. It's the study of which caused the current pandemic.
There are hundreds of studies around the world that provide us a wealth of knowledge. The currents edicts have no data to back them up.
Where are the studies and data that Fauci and his cohorts are basing there claims on?
Show the data don't just say it exists and that it supports their claims.
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@geobear40 said in Whiplash - CNN & CDC clash on "validity" of cloth masks:
SARS-COV-2 is not new is has been around in one from or another for a very long time. It's the study of which caused the current pandemic.
Sorry, but you are mistaken (you are so often wrong, we should give you a sash and tiara: Miss Taken!):
- COVID-19 is new in the human population, ca. 2019 - thus, it's name.
- COVID-19 is a coronavirus, which may (being generous) be what you're referring to - which, like Influenze, and the "common" cold virus are also... so, yes coronaviruses have been around a very long time.
- COVID-19 has many unique characteristics: different from other coronaviruses - like it's rate of infection from even minor exposure (greatly exacerbated by this new Omicron strain), or its LACK of an ability to transfer/survive on surfaces, and thus its reliance on respiratory aeration as a vector of transmission... but also on its DEADLY effects on the human respiratory system - far more lethal than other coronaviruses.
Your statement that COVID-19 may have been released into the population as a result of studying coronaviruses - even this particular virus (or, at least the one that was going 'round the world in early 2020!) - is nothing but a theory. One that has been neither proven nor disproven. As such, it is a possible theory... but honestly, at this point, is that the point? Does it matter? 800,000+ lives in the US alone, and you mostly want to point fingers? Really? To what purpose or end? How will blame - properly OR improperly applied - save additional lives?
There are hundreds of studies around the world that provide us a wealth of knowledge. The currents edicts have no data to back them up.
Actually, by now, I'm pretty sure there have been THOUSANDS of studies done on COVID-19... some have turned up new "findings" (like its aerosol respriation vector of transmission), others have just disproved oddball theories (like hydroxychloroquine as a miracle treatment for the disease)... But, if you think we "know enough" after less than 2-years study - even if every Scientist on the planet had studied nothing else - you're hubris and naivete are on bold display.... there is MUCH we do not know yet, and with new variants coming like they have been, there are more new questions than new answers!
Where are the studies and data that Fauci and his cohorts are basing there claims on?
I'm not shocked that the CDC's data isn't being detailed in the media, but the studies and papers are being published - and peer reviewed!
But I think you, and your ilk, give (or attribute to) Dr. Fauci far more power than he actually has, and as a result you parse his every word and every opinion as-if it were one of these study results! In many of these interviews where you demand to see the data, he's being asked for his opinion, not for the data that backs that opinion!
Show the data don't just say it exists and that it supports their claims.
Again, you seem to think that when Dr. Fauci says something like "in my mind" that he's quoting from a study vs. stating an opinion... likewise, you conflate his opinions with official CDC, FDA, or even NIH policy!
And mostly you do this to "shoot the messenger"...
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Honestly, this was known since mid 2020. There was a study that came out last year that found for the alpha variant, cloth masks were 10% effective, surgical 12%, and n95 around 50% effective. Note that this is for the original covid variant and omicron is way more transmissible which renders cloth & surgical masks useless.
CNN trying to change the narrative is just for political purposes IMO. They are trying to make the democrats seem more moderate than they actually are just in time for midterms and I'm sure they will magically change their opinion afterwards.
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@orhaqi123
I think you have the right idea. The MSM is trying to pull the party away from the Progressive side and more to the Moderate.The MSM is the propaganda arm of the party and the lunatics' making the policy can't hear anything in their Liberal echo chamber.
Liberals still think Americans support them.
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