Once again, Biden can't stop lying
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@kekkaishi said in Once again, Biden can't stop lying:
Just out of curiosity, for how long have you two been at each other's throat in regards to politics?
@raphjd is the Administrator here - AFIK, he's been posting this stuff since its inception.
I've been countering some of his drivel since about 2019 - although I've been on the site since 2008, I've only been active on the forums since about - 2019/2020? It was the latter part of Trump's administration, and things (evenpre-covid) were starting to come off the rails...
That's when the overt hyperbole and outright (sometimes laughable) misinformation started... so that's when I started to reply.
Because @raphjd is so Trumpist and extreme in his posts, and I correct the record when he goes overboard, it may seem that I'm Biden (or even liberal cause) supporter - I am not... I am, in fact, a registered Republican - a non-Trump supporting, non-Q-Anon-believing Republican. (We're as rare as albino dolphins these days, but we DO exist!)
For example, even in the article I posted, the mention that the Israeli view of Biden - in 1973 - was that he was "fresh" and "full of respect" - he also "displayed a fervor and made comments that signaled his lack of diplomatic experience."
My point being, the article I quoted was not flattering to Biden (as @raphjd so gleefully pointed out) - but it did reveal his assertion that Biden was too new in the Senate to have made the trip (as a Senator) at all (if you ask me, the now-President keeps recalling this trip because it was his FIRST (obviously) as a Senator, and it made an impact on him), was wrong. And with that being wrong, his hyperbolic claim that Biden was lying all around falls apart - Biden got one thing wrong: the name of the war.
Truth matters - and that's the biggest problem I have with Trumpist followers: not that the ideas they have are so wrong, but that they keep trying to sell people on them with "misinformation" and divisive, hyperbolic rhetoric... and that's not helpful... IMHO.
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@raphjd Reminds me of when #senilejoe said he was arrested in South Africa - https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/04/joe-biden/joe-bidens-pants-fire-claim-about-his-arrest-south/
Then there is the issue of Biden's plagiarism.. there are dozens of examples of Joe Biden committing plagiarism.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/campaign-press-release-copy-that-joe-bidens-long-record-plagiarism -
I was trying to be nice and didn't attack you, but you are just a typical leftist cunt who spews whatever your masters at CCP/DNC tells you to.
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Of course, the "liberal" media (like CNN?) would NEVER report on Biden's gaffe... would they?
Look, some media IS highly liberal - but how is that any different than the highly conservative media? The point it, there are FEW (if any) non-partisan news sources out there today - if that's even possible in today's world - for reason's I've discussed in other threads
Truth be told, the "mainstream media" pays a lot more attention to Democrat gaffes these days than to Republican ones (tho MTG is definitely trying!) - and for a simple reason: they're the ones in power!
They (Democrats) ARE the ones to blame for Gov't problems (and there continue to be a LOT of those!)... and @raphjd's favorite news whipping boy, CNN, didn't fail to catch Biden's mistakes - being harsher on is "memory" than even I was!
(The link to the CNN story is in the CNN name above).
Again:
- Did Biden make his FIRST overseas trip as a Senator to Israel? YES, among other places too!
- Did Biden meet with Israeli leaders during this trip, including PM Golda Meir? YES - though that isn't surprising! They would have treated ANY US Senator the same way!
- Was Biden shown Israeli war plans for the 6-days-war? NO! It was the Yom Kippur War - but he did discuss those plans with Meir.
- Did Biden fancy himself a potential liason (nay, even Ambassador) to potential Israeli / Arab / Palestinian peace talks? Yes his writings of the time clearly show that HE THOUGHT he would be an excellent candidate for that job, and was CERTAIN that he might be asked to do so... BUT, he was (almost laughably) mistaken... the idea that the re-elected (by a WIDE margin) Republican President Richard Nixon would tap a freshman Democrat Senator for such a highly important role is laughable - But Biden was only 30 at the time, and just elected Senator of Delaware... he can be given a little slack for thinking himself somewhat more important than he was at the time... it's called HUBRIS, and in my personal experience, it's far from RARE in 30 y/o men! Much less those who are Senators!
- WAS Biden used as ANY kind of liaison or ambassador in the Israeli conflicts of the 1970's - at all? NO! and, in part, because the Israelis wouldn't have him! You may have read the Israeli Times article quoted above? The Israelis weren't too keen on him THEN, and they really aren't so keen on him TODAY, either!
- Did the Israeli PM (Meir) invite Biden to Israel in 1973? YES, but it wasn't to be any kind of liaison - it was because Biden was also visiting Egypt on that visit, and they didn't want the Egyptians to be the only "input" the freshman Senator received.
- And finally: did Biden get some of his facts wrong about what he did (and why) FIFTY YEARS AGO? YES You betcha! Agreed! Totally!
But let me ask you: if you described your first date, would your memory of that even be the same as your date's? OK, go go with me here... does that mean that either of you is telling a LIE, just because your memory of how good the kiss (or the sex, for that matter!) was, or what they were wearing, is wrong?
Look - I teach my children this dictionary lesson all the time - because, like @raphjd, they know that the term LIE (and LYING) are incendiary - explosive, even!
To be a lie, the person has to know (or, at least believe) that what they are saying is untrue! If they didn't know (or believe) it was untrue, then they were just wrong, and not (generally) LYING.
Granted, we hold politicians - ESPECIALLY Presidents - to a higher standard... but I, again, think the facts speak for themselves: Biden got it wrong, but he wasn't LYING!
Oh, and the "liberal" CNN media completely overlooked the whole incident, because they let sitting Presidents "off the hook" *if they're Democrats!
DOH!
That's totally untrue! Was it a LIE, or just sarcasm...
You figure it out! Gotta love the English Language! LOL -
Ah, so you are saying that your BFF has been "confused" his entire political career.
Dear Uncle was "confused" when he said he never, ever got involved in Hunter's business affairs and all the other "untruths" he's said for the last 50 years.
I guess he was "confused" when he made all those racist, homophobic, etc, etc, etc comments.
The more you post, the more you prove you are a CCP/DNC agent, Miss Feng Feng.
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I'm sorry to intervene again, it's just that I follow @raphjd so it's inevitable
Can each of you two share your age to put things into perspective a little? (you don't have to)I'm 36
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I'm 54
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@kekkaishi said in Once again, Biden can't stop lying:
I'm sorry to intervene again, it's just that I follow @raphjd so it's inevitable
Can each of you two share your age to put things into perspective a little? (you don't have to)I'm 36
I'll be 58 later this month...
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Back to the topic.
Biden has a 50ish year political history of lying about all manner of things.
We previously discussed his (about) 47years of lying about the death of his wife. Oddly, though not surprisingly, you tried playing both sides to defend Dear Uncle. Biden said the truck driver was drunk and other things. He also said that he was just repeating what is in the official police report. The official police report did not find that the truck driver was drunk. It did not place any blame on the truck driver. The official police report placed the blame on Biden's wife, for being inattentive and running the red light or stop sign, I can't remember which. SO, how can Sleepy Creepy Uncle Joe be telling the truth? Was he senile all those years?
Dear Uncle has told so many lies about his work lie. He's done more jobs than is possible even if he did them for a single shift.
Honest Joe plagiarized other people, on several occasions, not just the other times he ran for office. He, like Obama, has taken credit for laws he had nothing to do with.
He has repeatedly lied bout his voting record in the Senate. He clearly must be so stupid that he doesn't get that it's official record.
Yeah, Biden is always simply "confused" and not a lying cunt.
You keep telling yourself that, so you feel better about voting for him.
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Lie:
- to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
- something that intentionally misleads or deceives
So, a guy who truly believes that his wife - the mother of his children, and the love of his life - was killed by a drunk driver, and because the police didn't charge them as-such (indeed, never even tested the other driver), they're lying...
And in the same breath, you'll tout all the greatness (and infallibility) of He Who Must Be Named, His Orange-ship, Donald Trump... HIS record of telling the truth is better?
Dude! They're both old men - quickly approaching 80 - who get things WRONG. Don't we all? But (and even my 10-year-old kids get this): Being WRONG isn't the same thing as LYING!
When you FIRST claim that your inauguration was "the largest crowd in history" it's just being wrong. When you're shown photographic evidence, backed up by testimony of your own followers - that you were wrong, but you continue to make that claim, you cross over from just being wrong to lying.
But there's more to that analogy:
- Trump has much to gain by claiming to have had the largest crowd in history. There is an intent to deceive there!
- Just exactly what is the benefit to Biden when he claims he was in Israel just before the 6-days-war, when it was really the Yom-Kippur-war? What's the deception?
Biden has a well-established history of gaffes - and he still struggles with stuttering! Oh the inhumanity! GOD save us!
Actually - God (only one cap) is going to have to save us from the inflation these Gov't give-aways are going to cause for years to come! To call a Spade a Spade, the policies that incited this inflation started under Trump, but Biden has exacerbated them!
To be clear tho: Gov't spending (paying for actual things, or actual labor) isn't necessarily inflationary... Gov't giving away money - pumping cash into the economy with no purchase, no "benefit", just giving it away - is completely inflationary!
Under Trump, the "stimulus" was reasonable - inflationary, but inflation was historically low, and the economy had just taken a gut-punch. The 2nd Trump "stimulus" was purely political, and totally an inflationary event - causing people to not only spend unwisely, but also to expect to routinely collect money from the Gov't for free!.
Then, along came Biden - who wanted to show that HE TOO could give away trillions of dollars to people, in exchange for nothing - just free cash! Which piled on the inflationary pressures, and super-heated the economic demands - beyond the ability of the damaged infrastructure to keep up with - which accelerated the inflation even more.
In case you missed it: Jobless claims have dropped to their lowest levels in 52 years! (There are multiple underlying reasons for this - some good, some bad. But facts are facts).
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@bi4smooth said in Once again, Biden can't stop lying:
When you FIRST claim that your inauguration was "the largest crowd in history" it's just being wrong. When you're shown photographic evidence, backed up by testimony of your own followers - that you were wrong, but you continue to make that claim, you cross over from just being wrong to lying.
I appreciate how clearly you have stated this. I'm willing to give the Orange Toddler a pass on his initial statement of "largest crowd in history," as even the meager turnout at his inauguration had to look yooge (in Trumpist dialect) from his vantage point. But after being confronted with the facts, his persistence in making the claim was indeed an attempt to deceive. (This assumes that he did indeed see photographs comparing his crowd to previous inaugurations. It's possible that his inner circle prevented those facts from coming before him...which itself would indicate a serious problem.)
Under Trump, the "stimulus" was reasonable - inflationary, but inflation was historically low, and the economy had just taken a gut-punch. The 2nd Trump "stimulus" was purely political, and totally an inflationary event - causing people to not only spend unwisely, but also to expect to routinely collect money from the Gov't for free!.
One writer likened the stimulus payments to swatting a fly on a window using a sledge hammer: You might accomplish what you wanted to do, but with a lot of collateral damage. We must also remember that Trump wanted his name to appear on the stimulus checks, even though doing so would delay those checks. I also recall one report that he was furious that the majority of the payments would be made by direct deposit, and thus no paper with his name on it would go to those recipients.
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Umm, you are being a hypocrite again.
WHATABOUTISM from the whataboutism nazi hypocrite.
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You clowns bringing up Trump in a thread about Biden.
Of course, I did predict this long before the 2020 elections.
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@raphjd said in Once again, Biden can't stop lying:
@eobox91103
You clowns bringing up Trump in a thread about Biden.In a discussion of lying, it is hard not to mention your Dear Leader.
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@raphjd said in Once again, Biden can't stop lying:
So you admit you are a total hypocrite.
How can you say that? I think you would benefit from a course in remedial English comprehension.
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LOL.
When Trump was in office, you people demanded that we could not mention Obama, but now that Biden is in office, you drag Trump into every conversation to deflect.
I predicted this would be the case.
It's not magic. It's that you people are that predictable.
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@raphjd said in Once again, Biden can't stop lying:
LOL.
When Trump was in office, you people demanded that we could not mention Obama, but now that Biden is in office, you drag Trump into every conversation to deflect.
I predicted this would be the case.
It's not magic. It's that you people are that predictable.
Maybe that pre-dates my interaction in THIS forum, but in other areas where I have communication with Trumpites and Democrats, there was never any "don't bring up Obama" sentiment - ESP from the Dems! - that I saw or remember.
But Trump himself? That's another story! He Who Must Be Named insisted that he be the headline - literally every day - while he was President!
Let's be fair: he tries to be in the headlines as much as he can even now!!
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Just exactly what is the benefit to Biden when he claims he was in Israel just before the 6-days-war, when it was really the Yom-Kippur-war? What's the deception?
HUBUROUS!
That senile old man who has been sucking off tit of the taxpayers of this great nation for 50 years. He is forced to lie and exaggerate his under preforming career in order to justify his further gifting of his prior and current position.
He only in it to prop up his self esteem and give worthless family members an income.
Trump is only hated because the MSM and the DEEP STATE. The DEEP STATE was losing their hold on the government and economy so they sent their lap dogs (MSM) to pollute the masses.
Definition of the DEEP STATE, people, mostly in the government, who where given their positions and are beholden to the ones that brought them. Who then begat more underling and think of themselves as powerful based on the number they appoint and so on and so on.I think of myself as a student of history and have been around for over 1/2 century. Corporate interests since day one in this country is the media. Those who have the wealth use it for power. Government like Religion were created to control the great unwashed and media was what they used to accomplish there goal. Without control there is chaos and loss of wealth and power
When we the great unwashed decide that we have had enough we wont follow your orders any more, The DEEP STATE changes tact and maintains control. Wealth insulates people from reality and we have to shake things up a bit to get them to notice. That is called the rise of TRUMP.
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