CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.
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You do know that even if you got C-19 before the vaccines, you had an extremely small chance of dying, don't you?
Fewer under 18s have died from C-19 than got myocarditis from the Pfizer shot.
So far, I only know 1 person to have gotten C-19. That was my stepmom. Because she's an ex-smoker (like me) she was hospitalized for 2 weeks and survived. I literally don't know anyone else who has gotten it.
Because I'm a local politician (chairman of my royal borough), I'm always chatting with people. Excluding the people that are either scared or annoyed about C-19, I just don't hear about it. What I do hear about is cancer, rickets, and other normal stuff.
I'm not a high enough level in politics to get special medical treatment, so my hand is still messed from when I broke it back on 2 Oct 2020.
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@raphjd said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
You do know that even if you got C-19 before the vaccines, you had an extremely small chance of dying, don't you?
Fewer under 18s have died from C-19 than got myocarditis from the Pfizer shot.
So far, I only know 1 person to have gotten C-19. That was my stepmom. Because she's an ex-smoker (like me) she was hospitalized for 2 weeks and survived. I literally don't know anyone else who has gotten it.
Because I'm a local politician (chairman of my royal borough), I'm always chatting with people. Excluding the people that are either scared or annoyed about C-19, I just don't hear about it. What I do hear about is cancer, rickets, and other normal stuff.
I'm not a high enough level in politics to get special medical treatment, so my hand is still messed from when I broke it back on 2 Oct 2020.
I see: so, because people on your block - at least not the ones hanging out with you - aren't getting (and dying from) Covid-19 the reports of hundreds of thousands of people in the US - CURRENTLY hospitalized from the virus, and MILLIONS in India... they're all crap.
Better yet, they're "false facts" meant solely to influence the US Election in 2020...
Talk about mental gymnastics! You get a GOLD MEDAL
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@bi4smooth Everything you just said is total nonsense. You didn't even address the facts: The FDA has REVOKED the use of the PCR test! That's the test that they've been using to diagnose Covid. That MEANS, very simply (you say you can read scientific literature), that the test they used to determine if you have Covid or not, is NOT ACCURATE. Do I need to repeat that over and over again until you understand what that means??? That means that there IS no test to determine if someone has Covid. Why? Because as the INVENTOR of the PCR stated, it is not a diagnostic test. You can find Ebola in 100% of the people you test if you run the cycles at a particular level. You can find beta-carotein (Vitamin A) in a STEEL column. It does not mean that the steel pillar is infected with Vitamin A, it just means that trace particles appear everywhere as they float off into the atmosphere, in all things, of all things. You clearly do NOT understand science or the test. This is why a MANGO was tested positive for Covid. Does that mean the Mango is infected? No. It just means that the particles have floated off into the atmosphere like pollen. They also cannot distinguish between Covid and the Flu, as they tacitly admit (their words, not mine).
What does this mean? It means that when the media tells you that all these people are testing positive for Covid, it's a fucking God Damn lie. Why would they do that? For two very simple reasons: One: Moderna just posted profits of 4 Billion for this quarter, and a lot of people want you to get the vaccine so they can profit. Simple right? Follow the money. That's common sense. The other reason is as they've said: there are too many people, because they hate sitting in traffic driving to their fancy mansions. The fear mongering that the media has done is because their biggest sponsors are pharmaceutical companies, and facebook's factcheckers are those same companies. Talk about the Fox guarding the Hen house. So go ahead and cry, again, like I said, about how Oh we're all gonna die and blah blah blah. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Period.
In Iceland, in Maine, in Israel, in Australia, in Singapore, in Norway, in MANY places where they have the HIGHEST vaccination rates, we are finding that 95-100% of the people IN the hospital RIGHT NOW, are already vaccinated, not unvaccinated! That is a cold hard fact. And you are just flat out mistaken, compadre. Get your facts straight and stop spreading lies. We aren't going to tolerate it.
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I'm not saying C-19 isn't real, but I do think it's been extremely exaggerated.
I have noticed that politicians around the world have used the "build back better" slogan, lapel pins, backdrops, and whatnot. Why are politicians using the World Economic Forum's slogan? You know the one where they said that we need something like a pandemic for the Great Reset? Or have you forgotten about all that already?
Have you forgotten all the examples of those in supreme power not wearing masks? You can riot and loot because that doesn't spread C-19, but protesting the lockdowns does. You can party at a music festival maskless and that doesn't spread C-19, but going to the corner store without a mask does. A massive maskless wedding won't spread C-19, but getting a coffee without a maks will. A party for 700 maskless people won't spread C-19. A massive maskless party for over 200 people won't spread C-19. Going to the pub maskless won't spread C-19, but popping to the shop for some milk without a mask will.
The BBC spreading doom and gloom about C-19, while no one in their offices wears masks.
The Biden White House wears masks for show. Have you forgotten the video of the guy walking in to give the press conference, who was videoed coming into the room without a mask, stopping to put it on behind the pillar to put it on?
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@raphjd said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
I'm not saying C-19 isn't real, but I do think it's been extremely exaggerated.
I have noticed that politicians around the world have used the "build back better" slogan, lapel pins, backdrops, and whatnot. Why are politicians using the World Economic Forum's slogan? You know the one where they said that we need something like a pandemic for the Great Reset? Or have you forgotten about all that already?
Have you forgotten all the examples of those in supreme power not wearing masks? You can riot and loot because that doesn't spread C-19, but protesting the lockdowns does. You can party at a music festival maskless and that doesn't spread C-19, but going to the corner store without a mask does. A massive maskless wedding won't spread C-19, but getting a coffee without a maks will. A party for 700 maskless people won't spread C-19. A massive maskless party for over 200 people won't spread C-19. Going to the pub maskless won't spread C-19, but popping to the shop for some milk without a mask will.
The BBC spreading doom and gloom about C-19, while no one in their offices wears masks.
The Biden White House wears masks for show. Have you forgotten the video of the guy walking in to give the press conference, who was videoed coming into the room without a mask, stopping to put it on behind the pillar to put it on?
Test or don't test.
Mask or don't mask.
Vaccinate or just pray.Follow the politics - and just die... go ahead, it's a free country, after all.
Follow the medicine and maybe live.Politics and medicine don't mix. Never have. This is no different.
Politicians get mixed up in medicine and people die.Go with the politicians... the ones who are left will be better for the future of the human race.
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Fauci is a proven liar.
The WHO, CDC, and NIH are all purely political.
I can't get my hand fixed, because of C-19, despite my area having very low numbers. No matter how much pain I am in, the NHS says I need to fuck off because of C-19. Our local hospital is far from overflowing with C-19 patients, but people are being told that we need to fuck off until C-19 is over and even then it will take "many, many years" until things get back on track.
The temporary "Nightengale hospitals" were empty and people were arrested and prosecuted for videoing them showing they were empty, despite government claims of how full they were.
Even the Mayo Clinic is saying that getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting C-19. Clearly, it's a blatant lie.
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@raphjd said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
Fauci is a proven liar.
The WHO, CDC, and NIH are all purely political.
I can't get my hand fixed, because of C-19, despite my area having very low numbers. No matter how much pain I am in, the NHS says I need to fuck off because of C-19. Our local hospital is far from overflowing with C-19 patients, but people are being told that we need to fuck off until C-19 is over and even then it will take "many, many years" until things get back on track.
The temporary "Nightengale hospitals" were empty and people were arrested and prosecuted for videoing them showing they were empty, despite government claims of how full they were.
Even the Mayo Clinic is saying that getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting C-19. Clearly, it's a blatant lie.
The WHO isn't preventing you from getting your "hand fixed" - that's the British NHS, and that's a totally different argument. Perhaps the United (really? ask Scotland about that) Kingdom should look to their former colonies for better plans (both Canada and AU do it better)
As for there being pop-up hospitals that are empty, you shouldn't confuse incompetence and mismanagement with a conspiracy to mis-inform.
As for the Mayo Clinic, I can say with certainty (because my daughter is a patient) that they are not claiming that the COVID-19 vaccines prevent the COVID-19 virus - they ARE saying that the COVID-19 vaccines prevent serious illness from the COVID-19 virus.
I posted elsewhere about this: only a complete moron would believe that a vaccine could prevent the virus from getting into your body... there is no "barrier", just an immune system (your immune system) that is pre-prepared to fight the virus when it gets inside you.
The same as every other vaccine discovered by mankind
This is also why vaccines do not help protect immune-compromized people (like many cancer patients): they have either no immune system, or one not strong enough to make the vaccine effective.
So for all you anti-vaxxers in South Carolina (US), my aunt's leukemia-fighting husband (I don't consider him an uncle - I barely know him) has a message for you: F--K YOU and Thanks for nothing! He's been on "lockdown" for what will far-too-soon be a second year now, thanks the the recurring waves of COVID-19, and his inability to get a vaccine that would work for his immune system (or what's left of it). He has 2 new grandchildren he has only seen by video, and fears he will never EVER see in person....
yeah, this isn't always a macro-health issue, sometimes it gets rather personal...
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LOL, I posted the exact wording from the Mayo Clinic.
Nothing in that, unless you read a lot into it, says what you are claiming.
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@bi4smooth You're just dumb. I don't really have time for idiots like you. The FDA revoked the PCR test, meaning that the test which shows positive for Covid is unsubstantiated. It means all your bull shit claims that all these people are getting Covid are stupid. You. are. stupid. The test itself has been rejected. And rightly so as they also admitted that it can't tell if its the common cold, the flu, or Covid. You're just dumb. Stick that jab up your ass. With a 99.7% survival rate, and that's excluding those that can't even get it (under 25), it's pointless to get the vaccine. You're just stupid. Sorry about it. Go to hell.
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So how do we get from your original absurd claim:
- that people WITH the vaccine are the only ones spreading the DELTA variant of COVID-19
The fact is that the vaccinated can spread the DELTA variant virus about the same as UN-vaccinated people, but that is immaterial the the fact that they (the vaccinated) don't get as sick.
All the way to:
- There is no COVID-19, it's just the common cold and all these people are just dying of natural causes
It is TRUE - COVID-19 is a natural cause, because it came from Nature... Nature is always making new things... new viruses, new worms, new birds, new dog breeds, new human variants! Granted the tiny changes made in each of these cases is exaggerated in something as tiny as a virus...
But I'll grant you - it is possible that CIVID-19 itself may have been man-made. But the DELTA variant is all nature... improving on itself, the way Nature always does....
Oh, and if there are no tests for COVID-19, how do we know what a DELTA variant actually IS?
Talk in circles much? (actually, in my brief experience with you, that seems to the ONLY way you talk!)
Darwin? Dr. Charles Darwin? Over here please! Cleanup, aisle 7!
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Lots of people got C-19 and never knew it, unless now you are gonna claim that Fauci and the CDC are liars., but only on this topic.
This applies to both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Hell, I could have had it 45 times before I was privileged enough to be allowed to get the shots. I could have had it 45 times since I got the vaccine.
Only a fool doesn't believe that Bat Lady, Fauci and Bill Gate's Eco-Health created C-19 from the samples Bat Lady collected from that mine in 2009 after all the miners got sick.
I do agree about the Indian variant being a mutated version of the one created in the lab.
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@raphjd said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
Lots of people got C-19 and never knew it, unless now you are gonna claim that Fauci and the CDC are liars., but only on this topic.
This applies to both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Hell, I could have had it 45 times before I was privileged enough to be allowed to get the shots. I could have had it 45 times since I got the vaccine.
Only a fool doesn't believe that Bat Lady, Fauci and Bill Gate's Eco-Health created C-19 from the samples Bat Lady collected from that mine in 2009 after all the miners got sick.
I do agree about the Indian variant being a mutated version of the one created in the lab.
Well, depending on who you ask (and there isn't much evidence to back up either story - the Chinese have pretty well scorched the Earth trying to make sure we never know... which arguably might lean (even heavily) towards the man-made-accidental-release theory), the original COVID-19 was a man-made variant, or a nature-made variant... of a virus that Mother Nature put here first.
Still, regardless of the origin of the FIRST one, the Alpha, Beta, Gamma, & Delta variants were all NATURE made... and you can't turn off Mother Nature, and she's a real bitch when it comes to making living things stronger/faster/better!
And now, there's a new Lambda variant - they don't know much about it yet, but theoretically it could make Delta (which is the one responsible for the re-ignition of the pandemic) look like childs-play. (It could theoretically also be more like the others: Original, Alpha, Beta, etc...) Only time will tell.
What we DO know is that Mother Nature is still hard at work trying to create a COVID-19 that successfully defends itself against the immune responses generated by the COVID-19 vaccines... and WHEN she succeeds, we start the vaccine development process all over again - and until we get new vaccines against these new viruses, we'll be helpless (and dying).
In the meantime, I mask up when I'm in public... because, whether I'm vaxxed up or not, I don't want this bug in me! And I live in a hot-spot filled with "it's a freedom issue" idiots and assholes. What can I say: we're home to "Florida Man" and it's showing!
One last thing: studies have shown that immunity from the original COVID-19 infection (derived from getting it - and, presumably, surviving it) does little to protect you against the Delta variant... your body's NATURAL immune response from that strain doesn't recognize the Delta variant as a different verse to the same song. Likewise the immunity derived from the AZ & J&J vaccines (which are based on COVID-19 DNA) are significantly reduced against the Delta variant.
However, immunity derived from the mRNA vaccines seems to be still significantly effective against Delta - albeit not AS effective as against the original - but that is possibly because the Delta is so much more aggressive and virulent than the original to begin with...
Regardless, the exciting thing about all of this is the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines and their ability to trigger our immune systems to attack specific proteins... this could be used to treat HIV (its original intended target), some cancers, possibly even sickle-cell and leukemia!
The research is new - and therefore, we shouldn't get our hopes up too much... but the efficacy of the mRNA against COVID-19 was expected to be in the 60-70% range... they never DREAMED it'd be in the 95-97% range (what it was against the original COVID-19 strain)....
I've been saying for several years now: my grandchildren are going to live in wonderful (or possibly frightening) times: we're unlocking medicine and material science unlike any other time in human history... used properly, we could see many diseases and ailments completely wiped out! Used improperly, we could have new "tools of warfare" that will scare the pants off of you!
We already live in interesting times (Chinese curse being the origin of that statement)... and they're not looking like they're going to get boring any time soon!
That said, I think we should think about storing more than plant DNA in those arctic vaults... we should start storing significant human knowledge up there. IMHO, we're going to eventually kill ourselves - the human race will extinguish itself completely, or at least knock ourselves back to the stone-age. We should leave something for the "next thing" to get some of our technology: tools, materials - maybe not nuclear physics tho LOL!
For a reference, read Larry Niven's old SciFi book: The Mote in God's Eye... a really good read, if you ask me! (advances in material science could include a frictionless toilet! LOL)
- Correction: The Mote in God's Eye was a collaboration between Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle (link)
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